Sorry people, Hillary has lost the right to any future debates...

[yourguide]

HRC lost all rights to any debate by her trying to link Obama to Hamas via Rev Wright and friggin Farrakhan at the last debate. HRC supporter or Obama supporter we all know this is crap yet she keeps pushing this garbage out there.

If he's going to debate a Repuke, it should be the Repuke with the nominee status, not another Dem behaving as Republican.


FRIENDLY REMINDER:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16text-debate.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

SENATOR CLINTON: Well, I think, in addition to the questions about Reverend Wright and what he said and when he said it, and for whatever reason he might have said these things, there were so many different variations on the explanations that we heard. And it is something that I think deserves further exploration, because clearly what we've got to figure out is how we're going to bring people together in a way that overcomes the anger, overcomes the divisiveness and whatever bitterness there may be out there.

It is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn't only the specific remarks, but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas to put a message in. You know, these are problems, and they raise questions in people's minds.

And so this is a legitimate area, as everything is when we run for office, for people to be exploring and trying to find answers.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Hillary is now flinging the shit with her own hands.

And some people in here think this shiftless .... person ... deserves consideration for VP?

[yourguide]

3. Yup...

[Lerkfish]

2. more pragmatically, the losing one is the one who always demands a debate.

traditionally. The winning one usually avoids them if possible.

But, if I were Obama, I certainly would never agree to a three against one debate like happened last time. ABC had STEPHANAPOLIS moderate, and Gibson, a huge repug, and Clinton...it was a four-way with Obama in the barrel, and everyone knows it.


I wouldn't agree to a single debate again unless it were run by the league of women voters or a NONinterested third party.

[Kajsa]

4. I can't even WATCH 'World News' anymore.

Before the debate, I watched it every evening.

Since the debate, I switch over to NBC evening news
with Brian Williams, the one who raked GW over the
coals in a broadcast from NO.

I can't stand to even look at GS and CG, anymore.
They make me sick!

:(

[yourguide]

6. Apparantly ABC news took a huge dip in the ratings

the week after the debate, I am glad the people voted with their viewership.

[TragedyandHope]

13. My family has switched networks for national news as well

We had watched ABC News for years, but now we can't stand the sight of those two clowns. According to the Nielsen ratings numbers, ABC has lost hundreds of thousands of viewers.

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Could they do it with no moderators?

Like Lincoln/Douglas...they're both accomplished speakers. I think that would play well. And we'd all see where the attacks were coming from.

[XemaSab]

41. Has there ever been a debate where

the candidates submitted questions for each other? :shrug:

[HarveyBrooks]

8. Yea - how dare they...

question the chosen one! The moderators should get on their knees and kiss obama's holy toes! All questions should have to pertain to "hope" and/or "change" and any mention of his racist pastor or shady friends is totally irrelevant to our messiah's character!

You folks are gonna have a rude awakening when the repukes take aim at your savior. Hillary is playing SUPER-nice compared to what they're gonna do to him.

/Nobama

[yourguide]

9. Nope, it's expected from the repukes...not from someone on our own team.

[krkaufman]

44. Right. And it carries a different weight when slung by a fellow Democrat.

Or even by the news media, which is why Stephanopoulis' and Gibson's "Republicans are going to ask" defense.

[Indenturedebtor]

11. Oh please

Do you care about the Democrats winning or just your lovely dream that Hillary will somehow be able to steal the election at this point?

Having the Pukes attack him is one thing. Having the DLC attack him using Dem money validates these nonsense smears and gives them FAR more weight. Get ready to hear this when the traitor is finally forced out of the race "Even the Democrats smeared you with this so there must be something there"

[ellacott]

12. So you don't want any substance either?

I would have had the same criticsm if they had piled on Hillary like that.

This process has been so dumbed down and many of you all are buying into it.

It has nothing to do with the names you call him.

[cliffordu]

14. SO: Pretty slow over at that duMP list, eh??

I got your answer here in just a sec...

:hurts:

[RazBerryBeret]

16. oh yeah...

and it would have been fair in 04 if Wes Clark would have questioned John Kerry's Military experience too. if only he could have been swiftboated FIRST by the democrats. that would've been great!

[backscatter712]

7. Agreed. Obama doesn't have to dignify her poo-flinging with another debate.

His best strategy (though I'm no Axelrod) is to simply starve her campaign of oxygen. Spend, spend, spend! Obama's got the cash - he can do this and still have plenty for November. Outspend her by at least 3 to 1, make sure in the ad markets, her message's shouted down. Don't give her any opportunities for free airtime by giving her debates. Make sure she has to pay to be on TV.

Her weakness is her finances - we've got to drive her deep into debt, and make her spend all her time begging for cash and fending off the wolves.

[zulchzulu]

10. The next debate Obama should have is with McSame...no free airtime for Hillary

She spews lies like you mentioned and the Royal Punditry doesn't even call her on it. They just respew what she says.

If she wants to be on TV,she has to pay out of her own pocket or through her campaign. No freeloading...

[ClericJohnPreston]

15. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"No freeloading". Do you people ever tire of your absurdist echo chamber? Do you believe the hysterical ranting you perpetuate post to post?

Let me know when Obama has clinched the nomination, because until then, he is merely a candidate, like Hillary.

Case closed!

[yourguide]

17. explain to me then

Since she was merely a candidate why Hillary wouldnt debate her dem opponent for senator once?

[Life Long Dem]

18. Yeah tell me she wasn't all prepared on those answers.

I thought it was odd MSM was bringing up Obama's preparation to the questions. Which brought light to Clinton's preparation to the questions. Don't tell me she wasn't slipped the questions so she could get some good shots in.

Just compare her laughing fit over Keith Olbermann's questions the next day and find out how prepared she was for those questions.

[yourguide]

20. My BF is convinced georgie boy slipped her the questions...

[keep_it_real]

19. I agree, Obama should not debate her

Enough with the debates. Let's just let the people decide.

[SeaLyons]

21. I think it's the American people that have the right to

debates. It's nothing to do with giving HRC the "privilege" debating BO.

[yourguide]

26. So why didnt she give that "right" to the dem she was up against

in the NY senate race?

[SeaLyons]

27. the picture

you have of HRC gives you only the credibility of being a full and complete asshole.

[yourguide]

28. HA.

That photo of her is representative of how ugly she's made this race.

Sorry, it's amazing, the hillbots can but all sorts of nasty anti-obama photos and quotes in their sigs but I throw in one, and all of you guys flip out.

and then you call ME an asshole. grow up.

And of course, no answer to the question at hand...

[SeaLyons]

32. ....

Hillbots?? That's really funny. You've joined the cult, and call us Hillbots.

No credibility whatsoever.

[yourguide]

43. My friend, you are the cult member

Ignoring the magical powers called FACTS.

Good luck on that.

[ClericJohnPreston]

34. What a bold-faced lie and sexist you are

"That photo of her is representative of how ugly she's made this race".

Only an Obamite, without a scintilla of rationality or reason, would defend their sexism, by a convoluted analogy. YOU and your horde of cultists have rendered this the most unpalatable contest in years. Your hyperbolic adoration of a simple, flawed candidate, mandates you balance the equation with an out of proportion hatred of Clinton.

I'm no Hillbot, cretin. You couldn't argue issues without resorting to cliches and groupthink if youy tried.

[yourguide]

40. Considering that the NY Times also feels the same way...

about how ugly she's made this race I think you might want to check your own deluded version of reality.

And sexism my ass, I am a woman...this is about ugly is as ugly does...that is exactly how ugly she's made this race.


Yet you cant seem to address the fact that a fellow dem, HRC, tried to tie Obama to Hamas and Farrakhan...do you support this? Do you?

You're the cretin if you think this is ok.

[Mme. Defarge]

22. I agree with your point, but

does the apparently photo-shopped picture of Hillary that you have displayed suggest that she shouldn't be the nominee because she is old?

Is age discrimination fair game here?

[yourguide]

24. not photo shopped, AP photo

and no, there is no age discrimination going on.

the bottom line is I think this photo is representative of how ugly she's made this race.


So it's ok for some posters to have crappy images up of obama with nasty text about him being an empty suit but my putting that photo up is automatically age discrimination?

[Mme. Defarge]

29. There is no question

that she has run an ugly (shockingly dirty, really) campaign. One of the things I so admire about Obama is his insistance on taking the high road.

Thanks for your explanation.

[yourguide]

30. Yeah sorry...

it honestly had zero to do with age, I had considered using that famous shot of her screaming but had decided it hasnt gotten that bad and I hope it doesnt.

[Mme. Defarge]

33. I think the Tonya Harding comparison

is still the best.

[yourguide]

37. agreed!

and accurate.

[Blu Dahlia]

23. what an ugly picture!

[ClericJohnPreston]

36. Uglier post

and uglier Obamaton groupthink. Cultists all.

[yourguide]

39. Are you joking?

CLINTON TRIED TO TIE A DEM CANDIDATE TO HAMAS AND FARRAKHAN...

And you say my post is ugly? Those are her own words from the debate, and definitely no way to treat a fellow dem.

As usual, HRC gets a pass while the obama supporters who call BS on this nonsense get trashed.

[GoesTo11]

25. You put that very well. Obama's just too high-road to say it that way.

With her statements, she made it absolutely clear that she does not see debates as a service to the American people in which ideas and positions are debated in order to sort out the truth and judge the candidates' capability. She views debates as a kitchen-sink, where she will do or say anything to win. She will go along with (or plan) an event full of falsehoods and innuendo and devoid of substance.
Since these debates do nothing constructive for the electorate, Obama is right to say that they're done. When she calls for more debates now and says he is doing something wrong in saying no, it's just one more time that Hillary will do or say anything to win. It's funny, that this phrase is the natural phrase to include in my post twice. I always that this was a right-wing lie, and I told people that. But now I realize I was just another sucker that the Clinton's fooled, and that on this point, the right-wingers were exactly right.

[LisaM]

31. How do they get away with calling ANY of these events "DEBATES"?

As we all know, a true debate asks the same questions of each, gives them the same amount of time down to the second, and has a set order for asking questions. Each candidate is not given a bunch of different questions, tailored to that candidate. The candidates also get a decent period of time for rebuttal.

I cannot believe that the voters aren't revolting over the farce that these so-called debates have become. It's a rigid format, that is not meant to be favorable to either candidate.

I support Hillary and I think she would do fine in a formal debate, not these dumbed-down gotcha fests. I also think that the voters are smarter than the media gives us credit for and are perfectly able to follow a legitimate debate format. I suppose they are afraid people will find it stuffy and tune out. Well, they might be surprised.

I agree that the League of Women Voters did a much better job.

[DemVet]

35. You only say that because she stomped Obama's butt in the last debate.

Character is a bitch, isn't it?

[Shae]

38. Obama should have no more debates with Clinton

simply because she is no longer a viable candidate.

[Growler]

42. Agreed

It might make sense for Obama to debate Hillary if she still had a chance, but since there is no reasonable scenario in which he loses, there is no point for him to debate.

[HuffleClaw]

45. if ya can't stand the heat...

decide you don't want to debate anymore!