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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:53 AM Original message |
Let's make this simple |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'll be interested |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Of course that is not going to happen but the answer is of course |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. "reality"?? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
61. If we're not going to use pledged delegates as a measure, then what's the point............ |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. Sound like Abraham dealing with the Angel |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. It's a relevant question regardless of how implausible that specific scenario is |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. By the way, I forgot to say... |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. No, I think there would be some question about his electability if that happened. |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. Thats like asking if Obama wins 13 straight contests in February by 65% should Hillary drop out? |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Good point |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
37. If she couldn't get the support to continue she would have dropped out |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. did we happen to add another state to the union |
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zerostar (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. You don't read so good huh? n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I said the final ten beginning with her win in PA |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yes. If the winner wins, he wins. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
9. I will concede that Hillary would have a credible case in that scenario |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. Yes. Whoever is ahead in pledged delegates should be the winner. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
13. Of course. |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. But Tom,.. Hillary can't win. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
16. Of course. nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
17. If cows could fly ... |
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TragedyandHope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
18. Yes |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. Well it's not going to happen, so why torture yourself |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
20. 55 percent? Yes.......75 percent or above? No |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
22. no. it would indicate a total collapse of Obama's candidacy |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Me too |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
23. Neither Clinton nor Obma was able to garner enough support to |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
24. Should Hillary have dropped out after Obama's 11 straight wins? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Excellent point that concisely counters the OP's hypothetical. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. As they say in politics, a week can be an eternity |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Fine...one man, one vote it is..... SDs don't count..... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. If you really care about one man one vote |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
99. Beat me to it. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. No, nor should Obama drop out now if he loses the rest. |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
26. If that happened it would raise some real issues about Obama's electability at that time. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
28. No he shouldn't. And I'm an Obama supporter. |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. Yes - Why should the last 8 be more important than the middle 11 in a row. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. See my posts #35 and #37 above please |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
89. thats your theory. I still say yes, even though it won't happen |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
30. So Tom if Hillary fails to get even a single of these last 10 contests with 55% what do you think |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. If we stick with the premise as posed in the OP |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. well I didn't really take the premise that seiously as written |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I find a disconnect with many Obama supporters |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Now your just being childish |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Your point on Puerto Rico was unclear |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Your OP was all about percentage of popular vote so I think that it is a little odd |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I understand how that confusion arose |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I agree 100% |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
31. What if Godzilla fought Supeman, and the winner got to choose the Dem nominee? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. I support Godzilla. n/t |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Hm. Yes, your avatar would definitely suggest that. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. What are you nuts? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. There are some unconfirmed reports coming out of North Korea |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
94. * sigh * Godzilla has no SUPERpowers... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. You make a Super point. Without being able to fly... |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Swim? Or is that just the movie Godzilla? |
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pdx_prog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
84. Godzilla is very strong.... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Do you think Godzilla could be a good skater? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. At least as good as Tonya |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. I think that's why we elect delegates. They get to make that call. If you want to, run for delegate. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. Good post Bucky, as usual n/t |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
33. Can I ask you this |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
34. Are we going to be a party that follows rules or aren't we? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I favor the rules |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Why won't you answer the question about why Hillary shouldn't have dropped out after |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I did. Mostly in #37, but also in #35 and #46. n/t |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
36. it is simple for me |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
41. Yes! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. That would be what, 30 contests for Obama to 25 for Clinton? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Kerry "won" 19 States in 2004. If he "won" 20 States he would be President |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Delegate count is determined in democratic primaries and caucuses |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Why do you propose an absolute standard |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I'm not. I'm being reasonable given the candidates, their supporters and voters |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. OK, gotcha. n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. No problem. |
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IndependentDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
43. if he is still ahead in pledged delegates and the popular vote, then yes he should. n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. You introduced a second variable. I agree it'a a good one n/t |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
44. Obama should be the nominee if he has more pledged delegates... it's the only criteria. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. Be sure to correct the DNC while you are at it |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. Only if you believe that voters who cast late ballots are worth more than voters who cast early ones |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Do yuo really think it is that straight forward? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
57. It depends on the popular vote and does your scenario assume O disenfranchises FL and MI? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. We've been on similar pages regarding this for awhile |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
58. Simple? Positing a scenario that won't happen and then asking for an opinion is dumb. Not simple. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Some DU members are absolutists, some are not |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
65. Yes. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
66. Should Hillary drop out if it is considered mathematically impossible for her to win? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Since winning is defined as having the support of a majority of certified delegates |
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gsaguyCLW54 (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
67. I would say that if Obama's lead among pledged delegates and popular vote is less than 10% |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
69. If that were to happen, I would be surprised. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I will be very surprised it that happened also |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. But it would be destructive to the Democratic Party... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I understand you point |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. "Legitimate concerns" would be another "choke point"... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
88. What was his longest run, 12 states? n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. If I was a Super Delegate, and the primaries ended at that point |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
90. You go Tom |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
93. He will still be ahead in pledged delegates. So YES. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
96. of course |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
97. In that unlikely scenario, I say still Obama. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Is there any scenario where you think SD's would be justified to support Clinton over Obama in June |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. They are free to choose their candidate. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. It goes hand in hand though |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I agree. The remaining SD's are weighing it. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
98. No. |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
102. You mean, should they go by the rules that were set out before this thing was started? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. All of them? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I doubt that Bayh has the influence over Obama needed |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. It would be up to Hillary to convince Obama that she was really willing to let him be |
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