-- 9.2%--

[TeamJordan23]

It doesn't look like Clinton's going to get that double-digit win in Pennsylvania after all.

With 99.5% of precincts reporting, she's at a 9.2% lead -- and the votes left to be counted seem to be in Philadelphia.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/92.html

[olkaz]

1. Wow.

I don't expect the numbers, even if hugely pro-Obama, will shift that number much.

But still, it's clearly not a double digit victory.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. if you round 9.2% it comes to 9%

:evilgrin:

[Hutzpa]

21. Hmmmmmm..... 9.2% round up to 9%

ah suppose thats the Clinton math...

always counting backwards...


:evilgrin:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. 1st grade math

rounding. My grandson refreshed my memory of this fact.

[Voice for Peace]

I heard 8.8 ? this morning on NPR

on DIanne Roehm interviewing Michael Kinsley

[Voice for Peace]

50. I heard 8.8 ? this morning on NPR

on DIanne Roehm interviewing Michael Kinsley

[high density]

64. Why round when you could use the ceiling function and get it to 10?

:)

[yardwork]

2. Isn't Obama emerging from PA with almost the same number of delegates as Hillary?

Obama is still way ahead.

[uponit7771]

4. This is what I've heard, that he won in the areas that had most of the delegates therefore it ...

...countered the mostly low delegate areas leaving her with a net gain of 1 delegate.

[JackORoses]

11. she will gain between 9 and 12 delegates

less than Obama gained out of Idaho.

Not exactly a blowout, huh?

[Yes We Did]

23. That's on the high side.

so far, it's 64-63 Clinton, with nothing but Obama areas to be tallied.

[JackORoses]

33. niiiiice, official tallies beat MSM tripe every time

It's amazing how much better Obama eventually does than we are first led to believe.

He has a Team of Master politicians planning his strategy.
It is beautiful to watch as they outsmart the Clintons at every turn.

[Shae]

47. Are you serious???? 'Cause if you are ....

BWAAHahahahahahahHAHA

:rofl:

Landslide = 3 freekin' points and fallling?

Tell me you're not serious. Make it stop!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[helderheid]

5. How long until it will be 100% reporting? I mean it's THURSDAY and they used emachines.

[helderheid]

37. *** 9,219 out of 9,264 Districts (99.51%) Reporting Statewide ***

WHEN will it be 100%?

[joeybee12]

6. Close enough...if it were 7, or even 8, you'd have a point...but it isn't...

...and the point is it is still a big win, big enough to justify her going on, and to justify the questions Barry must answer about why he hasn't connected with a group he needs.

[helderheid]

7. Uh, no. Math is math. 9.2% rounds to 9%, which is a single digit. Nice try, though.

[joeybee12]

14. I didn't say it was double digits...duh...but high enough to call it a big win...

...my point still remains, and all this foucsing on numbers proves you guys are scared.

[helderheid]

16. A big win? She was ahead by 20-30 points not long ago. This isn't a big win.

[joeybee12]

19. It was NEVER 30...stop making that up...it was 20, and quite frankly,

if the primary ahd been held a couple months ago, she might have won by 20...he had six weeks and $10 million to get closer, and he didn't.

[helderheid]

22. Sorry, I wasn't sure how far ahead she was, I just knew it was a huge number. She also had 6 weeks.

She's run a poor campaign and it's her fault she's 10 mil in debt and couldn't raise as much as he did.

[Milo_Bloom]

26. WHy couldn't Clinton pick up ANY support in PA?

In the beginning of March Clinton had her 55% support.

PPP (D) 03/15 - 03/16 597 LV 56 30 Clinton +26.0
Franklin & Marshall 03/11 - 03/16 294 LV 51 35 Clinton +16.0
Quinnipiac 03/10 - 03/16 1304 LV 53 41 Clinton +12.0
Rasmussen 03/12 - 03/12 697 LV 51 38 Clinton +13.0
SurveyUSA 03/08 - 03/10 608 LV 55 36 Clinton +19.0
Strategic Vision (R) 03/07 - 03/09 600 LV 56 38 Clinton +18.0
Rasmussen 03/05 - 03/05 690 LV 52 37 Clinton +15.0

Obama was only in the mid 30's.

During her campaign she was not able to BUILD her support one bit; however Obama was able to build his.

[jenmito]

30. It WAS 30. I started a thread about it. Here are the numbers:

Poll: Hillary Way Ahead In Pennsylvania
By Eric Kleefeld - August 23, 2007, 10:17AM

A new Quinnipiac poll finds Hillary Clinton with a huge lead in Pennsylvania. Hillary has 42% of the Democratic primary vote, with non-candidate Al Gore and Barack Obama statistically tied for distant second at 13% and 12%, respectively. John Edwards has 8% support.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/08/poll_hillary_way_ahead_in_pennsylvania.php

[helderheid]

32. Thank you! My memory isn't the greatest but I thought I was close on this!

[jenmito]

34. No problem! I just kicked the thread so Hillary supporters can see it.

:hi:

[helderheid]

36. this link isn't working :(

[jenmito]

39. I edited my post. The link should work now. n/t

[helderheid]

40. there ya go!

:hi:

[jenmito]

46. I'm happy to be able to spread the truth!

:D :hi:

[knixphan]

51. yes. Now THAT is Obama defense!

30 - to - 9

[jenmito]

53. Exactly. People should remember that!

:hi:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. 10 isn't a big win

[TeamJordan23]

13. And why havn't Billary connected with groups they will need?

Educated votes, African Americans, Independents, New Voters, and Young people?

[joeybee12]

17. Because he's the one in the lead, and has been for months...he's the

front-runner so the focus will be on him...it's the way the game is played. And, BTW, she won the college-educated group in PA.

[JVS]

63. nope. Under the 10% bar

[suston96]

8. Sorry, CNN says 10 points. I believe them more than any partisans here.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#PA

[helderheid]

12. CNN is not the State of PA - from the horse's mouth:

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[suston96]

57. Here is the State returns link. See the totals? Now round up or down .....

....as is the accepted math convention: more than .5 goes up. Below .5 is down.

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,238,544 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,030,954 45.4%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[helderheid]

61. exactly.... 9.2% - what am I missing?

[anigbrowl]

65. Your math error

is to round twice. Rounding is a useful technique (especially in calculus), but it is, by definition, an approximation. So while a 55-45 approximation gives you 10%, that's only half as accurate as a single rounding of the actual difference, which is closer to 9%. The exact % difference is 9.146957%.

I just mention this because most people aren't aware that there is a variety of different techniques to do rounding. If you've ever done any computer programming, though, you'd appreciate that sloppy rounding introduces inaccuracies quickly: 49.5 and 50.5 round to 49 and 50 using your method, for a total of 99 instead of 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding if you want to learn more about this. Wikipedia has excellent articles on statistics, and I wish some more people would read them before declaring what math conventions are.

[helderheid]

66. Let me try this again with you.

54.6 minus
45.4 equals
9.2 <----- this is the number you round.

[suston96]

69. Don't agree. You round the two %s to 55 and 45. That makes 10 points difference.

But more interesting and scarier for Obama are the exit polls and how Hillary's groups did for her against how Obama's groups did for him.

Also go to that map and interact with each county and see the huge margins Hillary beat Obama away from the urban areas.

[helderheid]

71. No, you round the final number. Thanks for playing!

[Blondbostonian]

18. Sweetie, you might try going back to school for some remedial math classes.

Try your local community college. Learning is fun!

[MadBadger]

24. Ben Smith is a Politio Clinton Partisan

[IndependentDem]

29. CNN uses round numbers...

Clinton: actual number- 54.6 rounds up to 55
Obama: actual number- 45.4 rounds down to 45

This is with 99.51% of the districts reporting... If the remaining districts are able to drop Clinton's actual number to below 54.5 CNN will then round down to 54%

[elmerdem]

54. Oh the Clinton News Network

no partisans to see there, move along.

[pnorman]

56. Grade school math says to use full accuracy in the calculations, and then round off the result.

That would yield NINE points instead of TEN. It's a trifling point, but the Hillary gang (including their secret RNC "friends") made such a big deal of a "Double Digit Win!"

pnorman

[book_worm]

9. I said all along anything under double digits for Hillary in PA is a moral victory for Obama

considering where he started.

[NJmaverick]

10. Will probably end up being eight point something

when all is said and done

[DearAbby]

15. Obama did an outstanding job campaigning

being behind in that state by 26% to pull it up to 9%. OUTSTANDING!

[Austinitis]

20. Is that the grasping of straws I hear?

It's too late to re-frame the outcome of PA. Everyone thinks "major Clinton win". And it was.

[Indenturedebtor]

25. Everyone thinks "major Clinton win"

Because the MSM wants to keep this circus going for a number of reasons:

1) More ad dollars
2) Bought and paid for corporate candidate
3) More ad dollars
4) More ad dollars

[Austinitis]

42. And Hillary knows they faked the moon landing!!! If they upset her, she'll tell everyone!

Conspiracy theories = dumb.

[kentuck]

28. It was a Clinton win...

But it wasn't a major win. It was only a loss as defined by the Clinton expectations. They wanted enough votes to claim the popular vote lead. They didn't get it.

[Cheap_Trick]

55. And everyone thinks Obama is STILL ahead of Hillary in every category...

And he is.

[AtomicKitten]

35. No worries, the MSM is glad to round up for her to keep the delusion of her viability alive.

[RBInMaine]

38. WHAT ABOUT THE PROVISIONAL BALLOTS?? HOW MANY AND WHEN COUNTED??

[helderheid]

43. Good question, and why aren't we at 100% reporting?? It's been 2 days!

[DemVet]

41. BFD....she still kicked his butt.

:toast:

[helderheid]

45. LOL! Yea...

[Bucky]

44. 5+5=9.2

What, didn't you major in math?

[wowimthere]

48. Media that is supposed to give us the news, actually hands us a bunch of lies. WoW!

[helderheid]

49. Shocking, ain't it??

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. AND - there are still 40 Philadelphia Precincts uncounted not to

mention the provisional ballots - who knows about them.

Can't seem to find any local news about either of these issues.

[suston96]

58. What's more scary for Obama are the exit polling statistics for the PA election.......

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[JBoy]

59. What's scary about the exit polls?

[ashrob123]

60. I think it's scary that they don't have any black or latino polling

Don't you find that odd?

[JBoy]

62. Why would that be "scary"?

[suston96]

68. No black or latino polling? There is polling for black voters. Not enough latinos in PA to matter.

Try reading them again. Betcha those superdelegates, pledged or not, are looking at them very closely.

[backtothefuture1999]

67. and remember

many repub crossed (change party 6 week before election) over and voted for Hillary. Without help from the repub Hillarys wictory would be less than 9 %

[thevoiceofreason]

70. Now 9.1 with 1 box outstanding

[Raine]

72. So much for the double digit win

that they had to have.