Please note: when Republicans crossover for Obama, it's a sign of his bipartisan support...

[Bucky]

But when Republicans crossover for Clinton, it's because they're gaming our system and trying to force us to nominate our weaker candidate.

(Please don't infer from this post that I don't think Clinton is a weaker candidate; she demonstrably is. But I do think my fellow Obama supporters are applying a double standard.)

[MercutioATC]

1. To be fair, though, there's an organized plan to disrupt Dem primaries by voting for Clinton.

There's no such Republican organization to vote for Obama.

[Bucky]

2. True. But I think there's enough racists out there that such an effort doesn't have to be organized.

[usrbs]

9. I also know several Republicans who dislike McCain but like Hillary

They chose her not out of racism but because they prefer her style.

Besides, the GOP candidate was chosen a long time ago, and many suspect that the Democrat will win this time, and they genuinely want a voice. Personally, I prefer closed primaries because I think only Democrats should choose.

[redqueen]

22. The republicans I know who don't like McCain *hate* Hillary.

But out of those six, four say they'll vote for Obama in the GE if he's the nominee. They all either voted Huckabee in the primary or didn't vote at all.

Just sayin.

[papau]

10. to be fair - there has been and is an organized plan to disrupt Dem primaries by voting for Obama &

it has been in the media - revealed via GOP emails.

Don't know if official GOP party emails (example - research the Texas primary) count more or less than Rush's "plan" - but the "plan" is out there for both

[EmilyAnne]

3. Maybe so, but I have seen almost daily evidence of this being a reality. For an entire month in

Pennsylvania and before that in Texas...so many former Republicans not just saying that they will vote for him...but going so far as to volunteer many days for him.

[George_Bonanza]

4. Obama got Republican support before there was any clear frontrunner

Whereas Hillary only started to get Republican support when it became clear that Obama was pulling away as the frontrunner.

[papau]

13. The front runner was Hillary until Iowa - and the GOP voted Obama to stop her.

[Bucky]

19. Good point. Clinton was the clear front runner right up until people started voting

Now, not so much.

[TwilightGardener]

5. No, it's true. That's what Operation Chaos is all about. Obama scared

the GOP when he started attracting disaffected Republicans to his side early on, so the RW (listen to the RW radio hosts, if you want an example) have made a full-time job out of trashing him relentlessly (he's too "liberal", he's soft on terra, he's Al Sharpton) to lessen his appeal to Indies and Repubs of late. However, I have heard Laura Ingraham, Neil Boortz, etc. state EXPLICITLY that the Dems should really nominate Hillary, because she loves America and won't let it fall to terrorists and ragheads. They ARE promoting her. It's very clear.

[ginnyinWI]

6. Before HRC was in trouble, earlier in the primaries,

it was commonly said that Obama was getting the Repub and Indy vote. Why should we not still believe this to be true? They won't vote for HRC unless it is to disrupt.

[scheming daemons]

7. I'm just going by what the Republicans themselves are SAYING

I'm taking them at their word.


THEY are the ones saying they are gaming the system for Clinton.

[lapfog_1]

8. However, there is also the express statements of

the right wing whackadoddles like Rush Gasbag and his "operation chaos".

I don't hear any such calls for repukes to cross over and vote Obama.

Plus, it is accepted that repukes have hated the Clintons with an unreasoning passion for over 17 years now.

I haven't seen the same acrimony aimed at Obama until just recently.

[juajen]

21. This is too funny! Let me see, there are only two AA's in the whole

Republican party, but they would welcome an Obama candidacy. Obviously, they switched when needed and appeared in droves to support Obama, intending to vote republican in November. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read this scenario. This is what gave him his wins in a lot of states that allowed crossover voting, like Georgia. My sister, who is a republican from Atlanta, was the first to tell me about what the pugs were doing.

[Cheap_Trick]

11. Please note: when they crossover to support Clinton

it's because of Rush's "Operation Chaos". The Republicans who say they will vote for Obama are going to do so in November. See the difference?

[wileedog]

12. You understand that the name "Clinton" in Republican circles is akin to

Genghis Khan right?

There will never be a significant real crossover vote for her from Republicans. Only the most moderate would consider it and that is McCain's current base.

In fact I have heard from some Repubs who have voted for Obama simply because they wanted to make sure she was out of it as soon as possible. They didn't even want to risk Limbaughs dumbass "plan" and give her ANY shot at the WH.

Not saying that Obama is going to reel them in in droves either, but Clinton? No way.

[papau]

15. well said - indeed I suspect that 99% of Obama's GOP vote was to stop Clinton

[Bucky]

20. !

That's what flips the argument on its ear. An organized cross over campaign to boost our weaker candidate is a form of what the old Nixon hands called "ratfucking." But with the GOP race no longer competitive, there may be just as many sincere Republicans (or those not willing to play chicken at the ballot box) who are crossover voting to ensure that we don't nominate Clinton in a slam-dunk Democratic year.

Seriously, though, any effort to read the minds of what Republicans are thinking is bound to lead to insanity.

[JackORoses]

14. Clinton wasn't getting any Repubs until they had their nominee

Then all of a sudden she started pulling half of the crossovers.
It's not too hard to figure out what happened.

[papau]

16. Obama got more GOP votes than Clinton until he became front runner and she was stopped

[JackORoses]

24. wrong, he got real crossovers and still does

she is getting operatives of the GOP with every intention of voting McCain in the Fall.

You know this is the truth. Why deny it?

[Benhurst]

17. I think the Republicans can't decied which of the two remaining

candidates is weaker.

I remember reading a long time ago that they wanted Clinton in 1992 because they thought they could beat him. LOL! I guess their judgment on such matters is no better than ours.

To be fair, it is a hard choice.

[grantcart]

18. not a double standard two different motives

there are Republicans and Independents that want Obama to be President


There are republicans who want McCain to be president and are supporting Clinton for that purpose.


And there are numberous Republican agitators that are suggesting the latter, none for the former.

[redqueen]

23. Love your posts...

you said what I wanted to say re: agitators.

:thumbsup:

[GoesTo11]

25. Listened to Limbaugh while driving. He is laughing his head off at us.

He is saying continually and explicitly what his plan is. It's the whole subject of his show on some days. It's to vote for Hillary Clinton to cause the Democratic race to drag on as long as possible while Obama is being weakened for the GE. He has people calling in all the time laughing their heads off. They think it is the coolest thing to crossover, vote for Hillary, "Take a shower", and switch back. They describe how everyone at their church is doing the same thing, etc. They talk about exactly how to do it. They say explicitly that they know McCain is their nominee and so they don't have to vote on their side.

Would Limbaugh listeners really do this or are they just pretending for fun? If you know anybody who listens all the time, you know that they would indeed do this. They take his word as gospel, and they take the exact same delight that he does in wrecking the Democratic primaries as he does. Could this make a difference? Yes, I have some conservative friends and maybe half of them quote him as their, um, spiritual mentor (and the rest have different talk show hosts as mentor).

Today's top headline on Limbaugh's website "What a Night for Operation Chaos! Doomsday Option Looms for Dems" He's got a bunch of articles about it. He talks about how many Operation Chaos operatives emailed him about their donations to HRC.

This is influencing results. It doesn't show up in exit polls. This is the exact kind of situation that the SD's should put an end to - the Republicans trying to ruin our primaries to hurt our chances.

Yes, it's real and it's a good reason to move to end the race now.