Simple question for Obama supporters

[lumberjack_jeff]

Today, I have seen several posts indicating that McCain should pick Hillary as his VP, or variations on this theme. (Variations include "Hillary is hoping for a spot on his ticket" or, that this would be a good outcome because it purges the party of undesirables.)

Do you agree?

[Jed Dilligan]

1. We can dream, right?

McCain needs someone with high negatives as VP to make him unelectable.

[SwampG8r]

30. even if she finally revealed her true GOP intentions

i still would not want her that close to any power

[scheming daemons]

2. If she was on McCain's ticket, it would guarantee an Obama win... so I'm all for it...

[melody]

3. Do they want that or are they suggesting she does?

I keep saying she should push for the VP slot because it seems clear to me she's aligning herself more with the GOP than she is with Democrats.

I don't care what she does so long as she gets out of the race.

[lumberjack_jeff]

4. You have to ask them. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

8. Well, that would change the question. Right now, one could answer

"yes" if one believed any of:

1. Hillary Clinton will switch parties.
2. It would be good for Clinton if she switched parties.
3. It would be good for McCain if Clinton were to switch parties.
4. It would be good for the Democrats if Clinton were to switch parties.
5. It would be good for the reader if Clinton were to switch parties.


One might also equally honestly answer "no" if one disbelieves any of the above.

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. We should eliminate #3.

If we are to assume that Obama voters are not seeking what's best for McCain.

If a person answers yes, it seems likely that (at a minimum) the respondent is disinclined to actively work to prevent that outcome. The differences in ones behavior between wanting an outcome and considering an outcome inevitable are only subtly different.

[bigbrother05]

5. The Republicans hate the Clintons

talk about a do nothing congress, she should go for it, so we would have a sure win.

[Occam Bandage]

6. That would be lovely. It would absolutely ensure an Obama win.

Dems aren't voting for McCain, and Repubs aren't voting for Hillary.

[onenote]

7. I missed those threads. But if I had seen them, I would've said the following

Dear fellow obama supporter: stop being stupid.

[Kitty Herder]

10. Good reply.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. There is this thread.

Perhaps you could address the 25% of respondents who think that Hillary should take her 15 million supporters to brand-x.

[Kitty Herder]

9. That's just plain silly. McCain would never put Hillary on this ticket. nt

[RethugAssKicker]

11. Well, she has been bigging him up

[Austinitis]

12. I really don't see that happening

Though I bet McCain picks up a lot of her supporters if Obama is seen as illegitimate.

[mcctatas]

14. No matter how pissed I am at Hillary right now (and I'll probably

get over it soon, because I can work up a good head of bitter, but I find it too draining to maintain), Hillary would never ever do that. It's a nice little jab when she's being particularly Rovian in her tactics, but she is a democrat and always will be!

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. My question was (although brief) unavoidably complex.

I think it's unlikely too, but my main question is if you think it would be a good thing? Put another way, would you work to try to avoid that outcome?

A yes vote implies that the respondent (either because it's inevitable or because it's a good thing) wouldn't do anything to prevent Hillary from taking her supporters to brand X.

[mcctatas]

26. In that case...

I would do whatever was necessary to avoid that outcome, short of overturning the eventual decision made by the party as to our nominee. I respect Hillary enough to realize that she would not do that, so this is purely an academic excercise...I hope;)

[Lucky 13]

16. Please clarify: Are you asking if I THINK it will happen or if I WANT it to happen?

I THINK it's very possible, but I think it would be an EXCEEDINGLY bad thing for literally everyone.

[lumberjack_jeff]

19. Either.

If you consider it inevitable or if you consider it desirable, the way you conduct your personal campaign and your interactions with other voters would be essentially the same.

[JVS]

17. McCain could probably make a better choice. Someone more likable.

[davhill]

20. No, She wants him to win too much

Her scenario is that Obama is so weakened he will discrace himself in the GE. McCain will win and will run the country further into the ground for four years. Then in 2012 she will look like the Democratic saviour.

[Asgaya Dihi]

21. That he should?

I haven't seen those posts, must have missed them. Weeks ago someone asked if she'd go independent if she lost and I speculated that no she wouldn't, it would be more likely that she'd take the offer from McCain than for her to do that. In the right circumstances it might seem attractive to both. Not likely, but more a difference of no chance and some small chance.

That's a long way from should though. Lieberman should remember what it was to be a real dem, so should she, so should all of those who have adopted the mindset and tactics of the neocons. I'd rather them recover who they claimed they were than to totally go to the other side.

But is there a chance they'd find a home there? Sure. Seems to be the direction they've been heading in thinking and tactics, it's just an eventual last step in the direction they are already headed.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. The results of this post makes the others academic.

Nearly 30% of Obama supporters on DU either want or expect Hillary to take her 15 million supporters to the Republican party.

That does explain the quality of the dialog on gd/p.

[Asgaya Dihi]

23. I'm not thrilled either

I disagree strongly with a number of positions people have or with things they do, but I'd really rather pull them back into the fold than to throw them away. I've got a different perspective than most though, both parties and most people in them made choices or supported positions which turned out to be damaging in the long run, drug war was the issue for me. Throw away everyone who screwed up or did/supported the wrong thing and there won't be many of us left. Start with the ones that look more reachable but don't abandon anyone.

We do deserve criticism at times but if it's not with a constructive goal we might as well just skip it. We'll need the largest number of people we can manage to pull together to actually change anything. Hard feelings won't help.

[Danger Mouse]

24. No, she would never do such a thing and the very idea is absurd.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. Thank you. FWIW, I agree.

... but I wasn't really asking me, I was asking you. :)

[Danger Mouse]

29. Here's some elaboration...

I don't think it would be good for her...it would destroy her reputation as a Dem and ruin her future political career. Repubs, especially rw sexist nutbags, HATE the Clintons with a flaming passion. She wouldn't be welcomed by then, and it wouldn't boost McCain's ticket.
It wouldn't really help Obama that much, it might increase his chances of winning by confusing and splitting the Republican base, but in the long run, it would be bad for the Dem party, bad for the Rep party, bad for our country.
I'm not happy with Clinton right now, but I can't imagine her in any conceivable way doing something so reckless and stupid.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. Hillary as the Republican VP would split their party, so I'd love it

We would lose some Democrats to that ticket but it would be a tiny fraction of the Republicans that would abandon McCain.

But it will never happen. McCain would never ask her and she would never accept. It's stupid to even speculate about.

[newmajority]

28. That's up to Hillary & McCain

At least she would be honest about what she is, if she ran on the Repuke ticket.

It would certainly get the DLC'ers off this board, because they wouldn't be able to shill for a Republican candidate here. :)