quantass
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:09 PM
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[HILLARY SUPPORTERS] - Your thoughts - Repubs Voting/Endorsing/BJ-ing Her.... |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 12:11 PM by quantass
I genuinely want to know what Hillary supporters think of republicans coming out to vote for her after Limbaugh et al called for such actions ("Operation Chaos", i believe), right-wing media endorsing her and denouncing Obama, and repub attack ads squared solely at her opponent and not her. I mean how do you comprehend such positive vibes coming from republicans and so much negativity going towards Obama.
Do you see such actions as republicans looking out for the country and wanting the 2 best candidates squaring off in the GE, best man wins, regardless of the party? Or maybe something else? Your thoughts, please. No ridicule from me.
Thanks. Again i do want to know how you rationalize such unusual positive support from republicans.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:10 PM
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1. I'd especially like to know what they think of Rush's "Operation CHAOS." |
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:14 PM
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5. It's mostly a figment of his drug-rotted brain. |
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He gives himself far too much credit for what is actually happening.
But then again, he's a complete asshole. So that explains that.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:17 PM
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8. Disregarding its efficiency, what do you think of the fact |
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that the Republican machine finds it beneficial to assist Hillary Clinton?
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Thu Apr-24-08 01:05 PM
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20. I think it's more of a ploy to keep the Dems from having a nominee. |
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Rush hates everything on our side, so you can't believe he wants one of them over the other.
On the other hand, his side already lost in November, because he's stuck with canidate iMcCain, and not some Reagan-like figure that the neocons fantasize over.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:11 PM
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2. If you could give me actual proof that they did in any numbers |
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because of what they were told to do by Radio Personalities and others, I might. I'm not so sure that it was actually effective or even if they voted for Senator Clinton.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:13 PM
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4. True, can't proove, but like to hear thoughts on why Limbaugh would call for such action.... n/t |
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:16 PM
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7. There was a graph showing how many Republicans were crossing over to vote for her... |
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and it showed a marked increase *after* McCain was the nominee.
Not concrete evidence of anything, but a statistic worth taking into consideration just the same.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:21 PM
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11. the proof is in the exit polls |
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up until the Republican Nominee was decided, Obama was consistantly winning 2/3 or more of the Republican crossovers. After McCain clenched and Operation Chaos was enacted, those crossovers shifted to around a 50-50 split starting in Texas and Ohio. This is the likely reason for her Primary lead in Texas.
It has and is having an effect. Don't ignore it just because you support Hillary. You must ask yourself, "Is this really how I want to win?"
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:12 PM
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3. Probably with fingers in their ears saying "La la la" loudly |
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:15 PM
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6. I think this is mainly Obama people try to delegitimate Hillary's PA win |
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There's no evidence that people ever vote to cause trouble in any real numbers. Obama picks up most of the crossover Republicans, many of whom come over just to attack Hillary.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:17 PM
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9. I understand. Now about the right-wing media, and other such endorsements? nt |
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:23 PM
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15. I think FOX mattered a lot in pushing the Wright thing |
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but they would have pushed that even if she wasn't in the race.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:18 PM
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10. ...except for the fact that we've been talking about this as long as Rush has been pushing it. |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 12:19 PM by Occam Bandage
Or, that is, since before Rush tried (and failed) to keep him from winning Texas.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:21 PM
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12. She actually won Texas. |
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You know, in that whole "democracy" thing.
That Obama got more delegates just makes it easier to push for the popular vote to be counted.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:23 PM
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14. In the fantasy world in which popular vote decides nominees, yeah. In the real world--the world |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 12:25 PM by Occam Bandage
that contains caucuses, superdelegates, and proportional allocation of delegates, and the world that both candidates were campaigning in at the beginning of this race--Obama won Texas.
And no, changing the rules halfway through ain't democracy. That would be farcical.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:22 PM
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13. Obama gets more Republican votes than Clinton |
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And it happened again in PA.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:24 PM
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16. And yet Clinton gets more votes from people claiming they do not plan on voting for the same |
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candidate in the fall. A crucial difference, and one that you understand well, despite your feigned ignorance.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:28 PM
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17. The Republicans are looking out for our best interest |
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They want us the nominate the strongest candidate possible. They genuinely care for Democrats, they are simply looking out for our best interest and they don't want us to make a foolish mistake. They know Obama will tank in November and they don't want that to happen. They would like to run against a strong candidate like Hillary because they feel it's in the best interest of the Democratic Party and in the best interest of America.
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:32 PM
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18. There are two "theories" that Rpublicans throw about with this |
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One says "back Hillary because she's the weaker candidate in the general election".
The other says "back Hillary because even if she doesn't win that'll drag the fight out."
The problem for Republicans is, neither materializes. There's no evidence that people do this in any number, and small numbers get washed out.
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