Richard Mellon Scaife endorsed Clinton. And she accepted it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

I don't want to hear a damn word from any supporter of hers, ever, about any association of Obama's.

Ever.

Bring up Rev. Wright? I'll respond with Richard Mellon Scaife.

Rezko? Scaife.

Farrakhan? Scaife.

etc.

I spent most of the 90s defending the Clintons until I was blue in the face, only to have those assholes turn around and suck up to the very man who was the reason I had to do it! That is bullshit.

There are some lines you do not cross and they crossed this one. And in case you Clinton supporters still don't get it, this photograph should provide you with a good analogy:

[TwilightGardener]

1. I guess he forgave her murder of Vince Foster. That was big-hearted of him.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Hillary believes in redemption, dontcha know. nt

[MADem]

2. Well, if BHO makes it to the general, you're gonna hear about his associates early and often.

Get used to the idea.

[scheming daemons]

5. And of course, a Hillbot shrugs off HER associations.....

[MADem]

10. Wow, can't please some people. I put your hero in the general race.

And STILL...they WHINE.

Here, have a drink, calm yourself down:

[scheming daemons]

16. Um no... you said "if".....

[MADem]

27. So? I used the conditional. I still put him in the race in my scenario.

Whine away, though. No pleasing some people!

[Warren DeMontague]

22. If the Obama campaign is brought to you by Starbucks, har har yuk yuk, the Clinton campaign must be

brought to you by these folks:

[MADem]

29. Yep--because Clinton knows how to dispense with the shit, bull or otherwise,

and clear out the crap.

[QC]

49. I think a Thorazine cocktail would be more appropriate for this one. n/t

[MADem]

68. Oh, how CLEVER of you, to suggest a medication indicated for mental illness!

Quite the WAG, aren't we?

Apparently, you're FAMILIAR with it, it tripped so easily off your tongue!

:rofl:

[ScarletSniper]

55. Bitter as usual. Must suck bad.

[MADem]

67. So sorry that you are bitter as usual.

I'm pleased as punch, though--your assessment, like so many other of your comments, is in error.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Hillary has no baggage, no skeletons, no weak spots, no chink in the armor.

She's so fucking inevitable, omnipotent and indestructible, that she's losing to a guy that no one ever heard of three years ago. She's sure to whip the GOP like a rented mule, right?

[MADem]

34. Mother Theresa had baggage....any and every politician has baggage.

Why do you present a false construct in your subject line? Does it make you feel good to make that fake assertion so that you can knock it down in self-satisfied fashion? And such TEMPER!! FUCKING inevitable, eh? Why....GRRRRRR! :eyes:

I think she's the stronger candidate of the two. She has more staying power, more gravitas, and she is certainly less tempermental than either her opponent or his supporters. And if you want to talk about her baggage, her baggage stinks less than Obama's, because the US government spent tens of millions of dollars going through it and coming up with jack. Unlike Obama's, which is fresher, un-discussed, unvetted...and there's LOTS there that hasn't hit the mainstream yet.

Obviously, you have a different view than I do. Tell ya what--you enjoy your view, and I'll enjoy mine.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

37. You are the first person who's ever said they believe Hillary is

"less temperamental" than Obama. The woman who weeps for the cameras for sympathy, and says how PROUD she is of Obama and then the next day screeches "SHAME ON YOUU!!", and laughs inappropriately like a psycho at tough questions, and makes up stories and then lies about lying, and makes pre-planned jokes that someone crafted for her despite the mood of the audience or the setting--this is "less temperamental" than Obama, who is one of the most cool, calm, rational guys I've ever seen in politics? She's not emotionally stable, frankly. And the fact that she's losing the overall race means, inescapably, that she's the WEAKER candidate. The leader is BY DEFINITION the stronger candidate. But, hey, enjoy.

[MADem]

42. You know, just because you "characterize" a person's behavior does not make what you say "true."

And just because you assert opinions as if they're facts, that doesn't make your opinions valid to anyone save yourself.

If you're trying to change my mind with your rhetoric, it's not working. I am uninterested in swaying you, I don't feel the "need" to hector or browbeat. It never works, anyway.

But hey, enjoy, indeed.

[JAbuchan08]

71. just because "characterize" a person's behavior does not make what you say "true."

I agree completely, which is why you are wrong.

BTW I don't think "characterize" belongs in quotes in the context you are using it. It actually negates the tone I think you are trying for.

[Name removed]

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[MADem]

72. Ah, the sexist (and sexual) language rears its ugly head. Didn't take long.

Do you really think you're amusing with that "rhetorical gang-bang" reference? Apparently so, since you took the trouble to write that, and to trot out the little rolling "ha ha ha" man.

Perhaps you simply don't realize that you sound like an unmitigated ass. My, I thought the insecure, crotch clutching "sexist pigs" from the old days had all wised up or gone over to the GOP--I see I'm mistaken.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. I don't know what Ignored is whining about but I do know the answer.

Richard Mellon Scaife.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. So now, he's an "associate"?

Good grief. The guy accused her of murdering Vince Foster.

This is the sort of shit that makes me think the Clintons I used to admire have been taken over by fucking POD PEOPLE.

[MADem]

73. And what did Fox News accuse Obama of? Being a closet Muslim, associating with

terrorists, being up to his ass in crooked Chicago-Rezko politics, and wiping his ass on the flag.

SAY.....Be sure to tune in to Fox News Sunday this weekend and watch Obama on Chris Wallace's show, now....

How's THAT "sort of shit" working for you? Is Obama, who froze out Fox and said he wouldn't appear on them, a POD person because he backed off that pledge and not only went on Hannity when he had the Wright troubles, but he's now going on Wallace's show?

You can't smell a little whiff of double-standard in the air?

It's not ABOUT the tools who own the media outlets. You apparently don't see that.

It's about the voters those outlets reach.

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. Don't count on it. I've studied Scaife for years...

...and he is not stupid.

He loathes the Clintons. He especially was disgusted by Bill Clinton and his DickGates in the White House. I never could figure out why he hated Hillary so much. Looking back, maybe he saw the same things in Hillary Clinton that I am finally seeing now that have made me work so actively to keep her out of the Oval Office.

So far I've seen two of the Scaife toadies as talking heads, after Scaife endorsed Hillary:

Tony Snow was against Obama.
Some bimbo from teh Independent Women's Forum (that's the group that Scaife money started, and sent the bevy of bimbos (Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, etc.) around to the news shows during Bill's DickGates. This current bimbo seemed to be pro Obama.

One of Scaife's most loyal toadies, which was started by Scaife dough and has been funded by Scaife since that time, is Judicial Watch (Larry Klayman) who has been after the Clintons recently to get them to release information.

So, depend on Scaife to support the Clintons. He certainly isn't funding them enough to keep them afloat financially in the primary. Hell, he gave Judicial Watch $10million the first year they were in existence, and that was chump change to Scaife. He could, through the Scaife foundations, funnel more money to her, if he was so inclined.

I would not be surprised if Scaife pulls the ultimate coups against the Clintons and turns and guts them he can do the most harm. He carries grudges and he, like most skunks, does not change his stripes overnight.

[scheming daemons]

3. Hillary should have "rejected and denounced" Scaife's endorsement.......

...instead, she accepted it.


She accepted an endorsement from the very man that caused all the problems in the 90s.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. It's really that simple. There's no justification. None. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Ex-Gay Miss Donnie trotted out to save the evil fags!

WOW! Both of our candidates are NOT perfect! What shocker!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. Richard. Mellon. Scaife.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. Jesus can even save YOU from your evil ways.

Just like Miss Donnie said at an Obama event!

PRAISE! GLORY!



I think Donnie's just FAB-U-LOS! Oh, but in a heterosexual way! - Alan "Deep Dark" Chambers (Ex-Gay)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. Richard.

Mellon.



















Scaife.

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Bette.

Midler.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. Celine.

Dion.

And that's not a compliment, BTW.

[ronnykmarshall]

44. Joan.

Crawford.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. Faye.

Dunaway.

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Doris.

Day.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

51. Judy.

Garland.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Elizabeth.

Taylor.
Hilton.
Wilding.
Todd.
Fisher.
Burton.
Burton.
Warner.
Fortenski.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

53. rofl. Okay you win.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. I knew that would do it!

Thanks, that was good!

Where's my pants?

Call me?

[Mags]

60. your good.

[navarth]

4. kick

[helderheid]

6. to the greatest with you!

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Right. He's a "Gentleman", but Bill Richardson, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Keith Olbermann,

Michael Moore, etc. are scum.

strange times, strange times.

:crazy:

[TwilightGardener]

13. Don't forget that AWFUL David Schuster, the one who accused her of murder...

oh wait...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. The answer to whatever Ignored is spewing is Richard Mellon Scaife, nt

[Warren DeMontague]

24. You may have me on "ignore", but I'm actually agreeing with you.

Hence, the perils of the ignore feature, which is why I don't use it.

Tempting as it is, around here.

[Cha]

54. If you consider the source..it's not "strange"

at all..it's par for the bilge water course hilary has carved out for her white house return. We'll see if she guzzled too much of her own bilge water.

[scheming daemons]

19. Think about this: A man accuses you of murder. You then seek out and accept his endorsement????

...

[TwilightGardener]

20. Mind-boggling, but very indicative of just what sort of person Hillary is.

No integrity, no honor, no scruples, no standards--just a mad lust for power, and a willingness to embrace whatever gets her there.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. nt

[Beaverhausen]

26. I hadn't heard that she sought his endorsement

Do you have a link for that? thanks.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. When you meet with a paper's editorial board, you are seeking their endorsement.

Such meetings are completely voluntary.

Here's the link: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

Pay particular attention to this quote by Clinton: "It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do."

She just thought it would be such a hoot! Apparently, she charmed the neocon whackjobs who comprise the Pitt Trib's editorial board.

[Mags]

61. politics have strange bed fellows.

[nichomachus]

23. Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel

That's a quote that's been attributed to everyone from Mark Twain to Bill Clinton, but it's dead-on accurate.

As much as I despise Scaife and cringed to see Hillary sucking up to him, she would have gone down in flames in PA if she hadn't done what she did AND accepted his endorsement.

You just can't take a powerful media owner and publicly kick him in the nuts. That's a political fact of life -- unsavory, but true.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Who said she had to kick him in the nuts?

All she had to do was NOT seek out and accept his endorsement.

[ScarletSniper]

57. Don't mention "nuts" Billy boy might show up...lmao

[Warren DeMontague]

28. So out of "political expediency", she cozies up to a guy who accused her of killing her friend?

Sort of like how, out of "political expediency", she voted for the Iraq War?

See, this is why I'm not supporting her. Some things matter more than political expediency.

[nichomachus]

32. It's more than expediency

Although that's part it of it. If Scaife signals that he wants to meet with you, you have to do it. Period.

Remember when Obama didn't meet with the editor of the gay paper who asked him for an interview? Segments of the gay community went ballistic and were calling for gays to abandon Obama because he dissed them.

Scaife is much more powerful than the tiny gay paper in Philly. Like him or not, you have to deal with him.

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I know where this is coming from. I was a journalist for many years and even people we opposed and beat on had to make the pilgrimage to see us when they were running. They couldn't afford not to.

If you were running, you would be free to choose political suicide in order to maintain your high principles, and I would too. I would kick Scaife in the nuts if I had the opportunity. But that's why I'm not running for president and never would. That and the fact I refuse to decorate myself with flags and pretend I'm a Christian.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Bullshit. She didn't have to meet with them.

Had she turned the meeting down, everyone would have understood why and she would have gained respect for it.

Obama didn't meet with them.

The endorsement itself is unbelievably patronizing and insulting too. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

This is a politician selling out to an extent that rivals McCain embracing Bush.

[nichomachus]

46. She could have refused -- and it would have meant a 10 point loss in PA

That's a fact -- no matter how many times you yell "bullshit."

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. That's not a fact. That is speculation on your part. nt

[nichomachus]

59. Yes -- but well-informed speculation -- the best kind

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. Informed by your own hubris.

You're not the first journo I've met who had an overblown sense of his own importance.

[Cheap_Trick]

31. she's desperate enough to take whatever support is thrown her way

clinging to it like a life preserver in the ocean....too bad the right would throw her an anchor in the GE.

[Buzz Clik]

40. If she ever became the nominee, that endorsement would be the biggest blunder of her career.

What the hell was she thinking?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. Did you get a load of the endorsement itself?

It's the most patronizing and insulting thing I've ever read! It's like "Aww, look how cute she is! She does parlor tricks and everything!"

Edit to add link: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

[RBInMaine]

41. The SAY ANYTHING DO ANYTHING Mrs. Clinton.

[invictus]

48. The Clinton Machine is running solely on Republican fuel at this point. n/t

[Kurovski]

58. K&R. (nt)

[bigtree]

63. a reproach with a longtime enemy vs. a relationship with a longtime pastor?

no comparison

[mrreowwr_kittty]

66. Yes, seeking out Scaife's endorsement is much worse.

Hillary had no emotional attachment to Scaife. She slapped people like me, who defended her and her husband against Scaife's attacks for years, in the face for cynical political gain. She sat there on Keith Olbermann, laughing as he told her he quit his job at Fox because of what Scaife was doing, and then piously claimed that she believed in "redemption". Richard Mellon Scaife has redeemed himself, exactly how? Has he moderated his reactionary worldview? Not that I can tell. He still espouses the most regressive social and economic policies. So why would Hillary suddenly warm up to someone like him? Oh yeah, because he's helping her beat Barack.

As for Wright, I can never figure out from you Hillbots what your beef is. Are you genuinely upset by what he said? Does God Damn America really have you reaching for the smelling salts? Or do you see Wright as an opportunity to exploit racial divisions in America and derail Obama's campaign? It's hard to tell.

[2rth2pwr]

65. She is the real Unity candidate.

[Perry Logan]

69. Better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

[zam]

74. Mrs. Clinton knows the right wing wants her to win the primaries so they can beat her in the GE.

And she is using that to her advantage and it is very smart of her to do so.

She thinks "who cares they think I am the weaker candidate. Once I am the nominee I will show them who has the last laugh."

You can question the ethics of such a frame of mind, but ethics have never won anyone an election.

[azmouse]

75. HRC is disgusting