Gov. Kulongoski is First Signer Of Online Petition Urging Sen. Obama to Debate In Oregon

[rodeodance]

What say Obama??


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4/23/2008
Oregon for Hillary Launches www.DebateOregon.com
Gov. Kulongoski is First Signer Of Online Petition Urging Sen. Obama to Debate In Oregon

Oregon for Hillary today launched an online petition at www.debateoregon.com., urging Sen. Obama to participate in two Oregon debates proposed by Hillary Clinton. Supporters can also text "DEBATE" to "442008" to sign the petition on their cell phone.

"Hillary Clinton is committed to listening to Oregonians, and with the launch of her new Oregon Compact policy plan, she is pledging to work closely with our state," said Oregon for Hillary Communications Director and Oregon native, Julie Edwards. "Oregon voters should have the same chance to hear from the candidates as the voters of Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire - all of which hosted debates. We encourage everyone to go to www.debateoregon.com. to send the clear message that Oregon issues deserve to be heard."

Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski became the first to sign the petition and announced a multi-city trip tomorrow to discuss Hillary’s Oregon Compact and advocate for a candidates’ debate.

Earlier today, Clinton challenged Sen. Obama to participate in two Oregon debates:

"Since the Pacific Northwest hasn't had a single presidential debate, I am proposing today that Oregon host two Democratic debates, including one specific debate on the challenges facing rural Oregonians. I encourage Oregonians to pay attention in the weeks ahead; to see how Senator Obama and I address the issues that people in Oregon care about. Debates about real issues -- Oregon issues -- are good for the state and healthy for our democracy."

To see the entire statement, please visit www.debateoregon.com.

[democrattotheend]

1. Is Kulongoski a Clinton endorser?

Or is he still neutral? Just curious...

[GarbagemanLB]

2. Oh he is a Clinton supporter alright. As an Oregonian, I say no more debates.

[rodeodance]

6. Great--thanks. Nice to know that Hillary has the Gov. on her side.

[Audio_Al]

87. Thanks for posting this information.

Respectfully,

Call me Al

[rodeodance]

91. Thanks Al

[PoliticalAmazon]

102. You mean, she has the Governor licking her boot like Ed Rendell the Clinton Poodle did. n/t

[rodeodance]

105. another IMMATURE comment.

[rodeodance]

3. sorry, i do not know.

[here_is_to_hope]

4. He came out for Hillary...

And we tossed his mediocre ass under the bus....

[rodeodance]

9. oh gosh, so many people under that bus

.........And we tossed his mediocre ass under the bus....

[Mme. Defarge]

7. I can only describe his introduction of her

at her rally in Portland a few weeks ago as obsequious and pandering. It was embarrassing.

[rodeodance]

11. I take it you will not sign the petition??

[Mme. Defarge]

27. No. HELL NO!

[rodeodance]

32. ah. ok--please pass to your friends. Maybe they have open minds.

[Mme. Defarge]

36. I'm sure they would say

that if they only have one life to live they don't want to spend it watching a 22nd debate for the sole purpose of providing free air-time to a losing candidate who has shot her wad.

Just my opinion, though. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

39. so let them decide for themselves. What are you afraid of?

[PoliticalAmazon]

103. My friends are too busy signing petitions to the DNC for censure of Hillary....

...for her Bush/Rove tactics and her boot-licking to the Republican Party.

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[rsmith6621]

8. Why Should Obama Have To Debate More Lies

......from Hillary.

[GarbagemanLB]

10. If Hillary agrees to field some questions about Vince Foster, I'll support a debate.

[Mme. Defarge]

24. Why not this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5667612

[Lannigan]

84. Vince Foster: smear story started & spread by the RW - NT

[rodeodance]

90. You are not differnent that RW --as they are ones who did that smear and you parrot them

[PresidentObama]

12. 21 debates not enough for Hillary?

[goletian]

67. yeah, why cant she close the deal?

why so much pressure on obama comin from the clinton camp thats calling him weak? sounds like someones desperate for free exposure.

[rodeodance]

106. Too bad its Obama who is being asked that question --Outspending her 3:1.

[goletian]

119. being able to outspend her 3 to 1. hillary would pay too if she had the dough. - nt

[rodeodance]

145. He could not buy the votes in PA--even though he tried. Hillary won em over with her great policies

[goletian]

149. he didnt try to buy votes. the obama camp wasnt expecting a victory there.

stop deluding yourself.

[rodeodance]

150. he sure wasted a lot of $$ trying.

[goletian]

151. no he didnt. narrowing the gap was exactly what they sought to accomplish, and they did it. - nt

[rodeodance]

163. ha ha

[goletian]

167. thats exactly what i said when i saw a 20+ point projection reduced to a 9 point reality. well put.

nt

[Political Heretic]

152. It's only twenty-one? My god.

[DearAbby]

13. What has to be said that hasn't been said

in the last 20-something debates? No more free air time for Hillary...pound sand.

[Qutzupalotl]

14. TWO more debates? Like the other 20+ weren't enough.

One would be reasonable, and probably is what they'll wind up doing. But I suspect Clinton asked for two so that when they settle on one, she can still say he's afraid to debate her...20+ previous debates notwithstanding.

[ps1074]

15. It will be over by then

Hillary will concede or be forced to concede after she loses IN and NC.

[rodeodance]

22. How many months have you been saying this??? She is stronger than ever and you

still are making silly predictions~

[LSK]

16. did you miss something in the previous 235151341 debates?????

:shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

19. Yes. I have yet to see Obama give an eloquent answer to a question he was not prepared for.

That is kind-of important, right?

[LSK]

33. I thought he nailed it in regards to Ayers

In reference to knowing a Republican Senator who said we should blow up abortion clinics.

I guess Obama wants to blow up abortion clinics too???

:shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Did Tom Colburn throw Obama a fundraiser?

If no, then your comparison is invalid.

If yes, par for the course!

[gabeana]

37. Oh I'd love a debate where Hillary

would have to answer about the weatherman pardons and her not knowing about them or Bill's and Penns ties to Columbia. also her long support for Nafta, Or how about how she was fatigued on her bosnia answer but her one of her numerous answers came during the day, I'd like to know how can we trust you at 3:00 am if you get fatigued so easy, maybe we could get her to answer about her relationship with the "family" or hillary why don't you wear a flag pin? Or on her nuke Iran or making fun of NZ prime minister. I'm sure you want those answered?
yeah right, If questions like that were posed to your "girl" you would be crying that's not right, they are sexist questions,right? you are nothing but a hypocrite and you know it

[PBS Poll-435]

41. So bitter. So, so bitter.

[gabeana]

43. thats all you got, you are too easy

empty pantsuit just like your candidate:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

47. I am not sure how you were expecting me to respond to your ranting.

Did you want one of these: :thumbsup:?

One of these: :applause:?

One of these: :woohoo:?

[gabeana]

50. why didn't you respond to the first one?

you know why, because you don't have substance just snarky replies.
hence the empty suit reference

but feel free to give me any of those smilies, I sure would appreciate it

[PBS Poll-435]

53. I did. Succinctly and to the point.

[LSK]

45. I get it, only Obama can be asked tough questions

That really have nothing to do with anything. But we cant ask Hillary perfectly legit policy questions such as NAFTA.

[PBS Poll-435]

48. She has been asked plenty of tough questions.

Most of the time she answered them perfectly...

But a few times she was less than eloquent.

[gabeana]

54. Like her illegal drivers license flap

where in the follwing debate she flipped her answer and she was not asked a follow up question. and Obama supporters get accused as the kool-aid crowd

[PBS Poll-435]

56. Ummm. Kool-Aid?

I admitted that she has made some mistakes and missteps at debates. Especially when asked difficult grey-area questions.

How is that make me part of the Kool-Aid crowd?

[gabeana]

61. you saying Obama has yet to give an eloquent answer

that he was not prepared for? you don't think that response comes right out of the Kool Aid stereotype. He has giving plenty of eloquent answer in the debate. For one I love his answer on licenses for illegal immigrants.

[LSK]

59. like why did they turn to Reverend Wright when they had marriage problems?

[PBS Poll-435]

64. Like I have said.

Bill was very busy. He was not in church that day. He hadn't yet heard Rev. Wright's comments regarding 9/11 when he invited him to the White House.

[gabeana]

72. also like when Bill praised farrakhan and her buddy rendell

But hey, if double-standards and duplicity were not a part of Hillary Clinton’s campaign character she’d have to disassociate herself from her husband.

Yes, former President Bill said kind words about Farrakhan in a May 2005 New York Amsterdam News interview about the Million More March planned for later that year.

That Clinton called that March “a very positive idea” complimenting Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for working together on the March

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Dramatic evidence of Clinton’s duplicity bannering this non-endorsement by Farrakhan burst into campaign discourse the day before the Pa primary with the posting of a video on You Tube by a Philadelphian showing Clinton’s chief Pennsylvania surrogate lavishly praising Farrakhan over a decade ago.

This video that received over 33,000 views within its first twenty-four hours on that popular internet site shows Clinton booster Pa Governor Ed Rendell praising Farrakhan in April 1997.

Philadelphia freelance journalist and Nation of Islam member Jehron Hunter posted this reality check video now producing lively discussion from the web-based Slate Magazine to right-wing FOX NEWS channel.

Yes, then Philadelphia Mayor Ed Rendell eagerly applauded the work of Farrakhan during a 1997 rally at the historic Tindley Temple Church on Broad south of South Street

Yes, then Mayor and now Obama-basher Rendell embraced inviting Farrakhan to the City of Brotherly Love to help dissipate race-based disturbances in the Grey’s Ferry section of Philly.

And yes, Rendell’s remarks at that 1997 rally included commending the Nation of Islam’s “emphasis on family values and self-sufficiency.”

http://counterpunch.org/

[PBS Poll-435]

78. Wow, what a world.

Clinton complements someone

Rendell complements someone

They must agree on every issue then. They might have even gone to Libya together (when Libya was still on the OFAC list...)

[gabeana]

108. you are a dishonest character aren't you

because you agree with the hypocrisy of Hillary when she brings up farrakhan to attack Obama, scare the white voters
but when it is pointed out that her Husband, whose record she is running on, compliments Farrakhan you ignore it Then the evidence of her bud rendell with the love fest he showed for that black muslim that is also ignored

why can't I play your game, wright said something I don't like Obama must believe the same thing

now if that is not dishonesty then tell me what is.

[PBS Poll-435]

116. I never made any such comments about Obama.

Check my posting history. I am not a bot and I do not attack unprovoked.

Dishonesty really seems to be your department.

[gabeana]

121. This is from you

"Bill was very busy. He was not in church that day. He hadn't yet heard Rev. Wright's comments regarding 9/11 when he invited him to the White House"

I can infer
ding ding we have a liar (or is misspoke better for you) here folks at Du

[PBS Poll-435]

122. Infer what?

I was responding to a question. "Why did they turn to Rev. Wright..."

I listed one of the excuses the Obama Campaign has made, one that his supporters have made, and one of my own. And that somehow is an attack?

And you can infer what you want, but that doesn't make your inferences lucid.

[gabeana]

123. you know what you were doing

don't back pedal now.

[PBS Poll-435]

125. LOL...right..

Because you can see right through me, right?

People ask why Wright was invited to the White House and I remind them that that was long before he gave his more offensive sermons.


Like I said earlier...

Go play with someone else, the Rabid Response bit is getting a little old.

[gabeana]

129. It is getting old because you can't handle it

[PBS Poll-435]

133. Can't handle what?

You baseless attempt at calling me a liar?

Your terrible spelling, capitalization, and overall bitter attitude?

I guess you are right...

[gabeana]

137. complaining about my rapid response

sounds like complaining about being asked the first question
then you become the grammar police on a web board, little elitist aren't you?

[PBS Poll-435]

140. Not an elitist at all.

And I don't believe I mentioned anything about grammar.

You are either 'sour' or 'bitter.'

And I sure don't like being called a liar or dishonest when it is obviously unfounded.

[LSK]

114. so how is that different then Obama/Ayers?

[PBS Poll-435]

118. As soon as you have proof of Farrakhan using his home to host

a fundraiser for Hillary, then you will have made a valid comparison.

[LSK]

132. lots of people host fundraisers, so what?

:shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

134. Don't you think that is indicative of a much closer relationship?

[rodeodance]

"you are nothing but a hypocrite and you know it" Can't you have a post without name-calling??

[gabeana]

55. It's only name calling if its not true

in this case it is true, so I'm innocent

[Obamanaut]

153. Here's some more stuff you might want to ask your "girl" - like

what did she know and when did she know it about the 'blood plasma gone bad sales' from Ark prison system while the Clintons were in the governor's mansion? Or the presidential pardons of a group of P.R suspected terrorists and subsequently getting a large percentage of the Hispanic vote in her first senate campaign. And how about her moving to New York to run for the senate pushing aside an almost shoe-in for that dem seat rather than going home to Arkansas with the resultant loss of a dem seat in that state.

HRC is all about HRC, and to heck with the party or anyone else.

[SeaLyons]

58. Bring it on....

Hillary can and will take any questions thrown at her. She will answer with confidence and truth, unlike Obama. Just bring it on. She is the one standing ready for debates. She is Presidential while Obama is hiding from them.

[gabeana]

68. you mean the candidate complaining because she not treated

fairly, then tells people go watch SNL because they know what I'm talking about. That candidate that complained because I get the questioned answered first, the one who couldn't get right the new Russian leader, since her mantra is she is ready on day one. maybe you are right if by take any question you mean lying in your answer.

[PBS Poll-435]

71. She flubbed a Russian name and that is your proof?

Jeeeeeze

[gabeana]

75. Thats not enough

what tough embarrasing question has she been asked over and over in debates?

[PBS Poll-435]

79. Diamonds or Pearls?

Find someone else to play Rabid Response with.

[gabeana]

99. are you kidding, that played to her base

I'm your girl, you know the one vote for me because I'm a woman

[rodeodance]

89. You are the one whinning. Go look at the transcripts and some back prepared next time.

[gabeana]

100. you can't backup your case

so you want me to do it for, lazy,lazy

[rodeodance]

104. you are one making the claim. and you want me to do your work. get a life!

[gabeana]

109. get a life!, I guess you know when to walk away with

your tail between your legs

[rodeodance]

113. "your tail between your legs" You lie and distract. I see you still have not

backed up your claim.

[gabeana]

115. yes I have, I guess that tail is getting a little longer

[SeaLyons]

80. I'm sure you post makes sense...

but I'll be damned if I can understand a word of it.

Whatever!!

[gabeana]

101. I'm not surprised I've read your post

and I have gathered the you are intellectually challenged:rofl:

[rodeodance]

93. How many pillows do you need??

[Danger Mouse]

147. Let's see how she handles questions about nuking Iran, or about insulting New Zealand's PM?

All she has is lies and spin.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Debate who?

Isn't it a bit too early for Barack and McLame to go at it?

[rodeodance]

42. you are out of touch -that is what happens when you have your head in the sand.

[rodeodance]

18. Clinton Launches Conversation on Oregon's Priorities with 'Oregon Compact'

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7275


4/23/2008
Hillary Clinton Launches Conversation on Oregon's Priorities with 'Oregon Compact'
Clinton Challenges Obama to Two Debates to Continue Focus on Oregon Issues

Hillary Clinton today released the "Oregon Compact", a ten-part plan to work with the people of Oregon to help address the challenges and further innovative solutions developed by the state. She also urged Sen. Barack Obama to join her in discussing these issues in two Oregon debates, including a session focused on rural issues.

Click here to download video of Hillary’s statement on her Oregon compact and proposed debates.

Click here to download audio.

[benddem]

20. NO MORE DEBATES

I was sick of these faux debates a year ago. And Teddy K.my friend. Shame on you.

[rodeodance]

38. "And Teddy K.my friend. Shame on you" Why are you saying this to me??

[bowens43]

21. No need for more debates.

It's all over but hillary's tears.

[rodeodance]

28. making silly claims will not make her go away.

......It's all over but hillary's tears.

[RiverStone]

23. The Super D's may pull the plug on her campaign before OR anyway...

I'm not against another (make that a 23rd or 24th) debate - but when is enough enough?

If Obama wins N.C. and Indiana, Hillary would have to win 90% (or more)of the remaining delegates to even tie Obama. The math will be so OBVIOUS by then, that I can't fathom any rationalization worth staying in the fight.

As it stands now (per Chuck Dodd political talking head on MSNBC) even if Hillary splits the delegates 50/50 in N.C. and Indiana (unlikely), she would then need to win 85% of the remaining delegates to catch Obama.

The Super D's will not let the party flush millions of dollars and volunteer hours down the drain when it could otherwise go to fighting McSame.

Sorry, but my guess is it will be over before OR votes.

[rodeodance]

76. Polls say the people want the primary to continue. They are not foolish to go against the will

of the people

[Audio_Al]

124. Quibble this: Millions of us HAVEN'T EVEN VOTED YET.

This is Oregon. We don't have our mail-in ballots. Neither candidate should pull out until everyone votes.

What is the matter with people on this site?

Respectfully,

Al

[PBS Poll-435]

135. They like the result 3/4s through the game. That is all.

All the cries of "Save the Democratic Party" are disingenuous at best.

[RiverStone]

143. This is a good reason we should have 1 or 2 national primary dates

I'm not happy with the system, but more than anything I want us to kick McCain war mongering ass this fall. It's a shame we are wasting so many resources on a race which (particularly by Oregon) will be out of reach for Hillary.

It's about winning this fall - that IMO takes precedent. Alas, looks like you and even Puerto Rico will be voting before Hillary's plug is pulled by the SuperD's.

I'm telling ya, they will not go against the will of the pledged delegates - it will never happen.

For the future, I'm all for a national primary date and to chuck the entire SuperD's system into the garbage. It really has nothing to do with democracy.

[rodeodance]

146. I am one who wants the primaries to go on. It is beyond the pale that

obama fans have been calling for her to bow out for a couple of months now.

[Aloha Spirit]

25. I'd sign it, if the debates had referees instead of moderators.

[DJ13]

26. FORGET IT!

Hillary should buy her own airtime if she wants to get her smears out.

If she cant afford it, thats just tough sh*t.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. Yep. And under the bus campaign finance reform goes...

NT!

[Hawkeye-X]

30. And Obama has every right to ignore that petition

He earned the nomination - Hillary didn't, and there's no point in seeing a debate for the 23rd time. Obama should not accept any debates as long as he does not need to debate. See my OP for the reasons, and he should not accept any debates that is not sponsored by LCV, Sierra Club, Moveon.org, NARAL, or any union backers. No need for MSM to fuck it up any further.

[PBS Poll-435]

34. He should not risk screwing this up!!1!!11

He might have to think on his feet rather than give canned speeches.

That could be disastrous.

[rodeodance]

69. He needs to come prepared to respond to all quesions. --

[rodeodance]

40. "He earned the nomination " How so?--by running away from debates in IN and NC??

[Audio_Al]

126. He didn't seem to want to solve the Florida and Michigan problems.

[PBS Poll-435]

31. K&R&S

Thanks.

[Straight Shooter]

44. I'm an Oregonian and signed the petition this morning.

I'm sure the moderators will be all sweetness and light to Obama next time around. Maybe they can ask him, as a "Constitutional Law Professor," his opinion of the controversies surrounding the 2004 election, particularly with regard to the disenfranchisement of so many minority voters and disproportionate allocation of voting machines in Ohio.

A question for both of them, I'd like to hear their response as to how they think Colin Powell as a veep to McCain will affect the general dynamics of the GE.

[rodeodance]

52. I would like them both to talk of their enviromental plans. I imagine oregon

moderators would get in questions about the enviroment.

I used to live in portland. my sister lives in salem. Miss Oregon.

[PBS Poll-435]

70. Environmental questions would be very important for undecideds.

Between southern Oregon burning itself down every summer and protecting Crater Lake...

I would really like to know where they stand on specific enviromental positions.

[Straight Shooter]

74. Agreed. I believe the environment is of paramount concern in the Northwest.

Let's throw in some questions about biofuels, too *cough Exelon cough*

I love Oregon :D

[pdx_prog]

46. Ted has lost his freaking mind....

Hillary doesn't stand a chance here....

[rodeodance]

94. "Hillary doesn't stand a chance here." SADDLE UP--HERE SHE COMES.

[Audio_Al]

141. We're all saddled up... (PHOTO)

Pay no attention to the seguaro cactus in the background!



Call me Al --

[rodeodance]

142. very nise photo. thanks for sharing

[rodeodance]

95. btw---Do you the lastest polls regarding Oregon?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. What "debate"? They're both moderates and agree on the issues.

Hilly and her supporters are grasping at the last straws in her quiver.

[rodeodance]

83. wrong. they differ on guns, NCLB, taxes, Soc Sec. health insur plans to name

a few

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

107. Only in miniscule ways.

Because they are both moderates with slight differences the "debate" would quickly degenerate to flag pins, preachers, and other heart-stopping, meaningless, trivia that the media adore.

[wowimthere]

51. obama isn't afraid to debate her... He doesn't want her shill moderators conducting the...

the debate. He doesn't want people who worked for her at one point in time conducting these debates. He doesn't want another 3 on one. It's obvious that some of the Clinton supporters want to do to Obama what the Right wing did to their candidate. It's hypocritical. He shouldn't accept debates unless the moderators are unbiased... say a PBS moderator who will talk about the issues.

[rodeodance]

60. Obama needs to come prepared to answer all questions-just as Hillary needs

to be prepared.

Last time Obama was not prepared.

[SeaLyons]

57. Petition Signed...

Go Hillary. We can't elect a President that fears debates.

Thanks for posting, Rodeo.

:kick:

[rodeodance]

63. Thanks--be sure to pass to all you know.

[Audio_Al]

127. We signed with vigor. Thank you.

Call me Al --

[berni_mccoy]

62. Rant and rave all you want. The race is over in NC.

[goletian]

65. yeah, lets set up the 1000th debate so hillary can get another piece of shit troll

to ask ridiculous questions -- ones he got from the far right morons like hannity -- on her behalf. the people have already chosen. if hillary wants more exposure to soften the fall of her chances at the nomination, shes gonna have to pay for it; no freebies.

[rodeodance]

110. "the people have already chosen" you are WRONG. Stop lying.

[goletian]

117. youre the liar. a hillary lead in the elections is virtually impossible now.

get your head out of the clouds.

[zulchzulu]

66. Why can't Hillary debat e herself. She holds two opinions on every issue

It would be entertaining...

[rodeodance]

73. Hillary give serious detailed responses. She wants people to be informed, not entertained--that is

why she won the last debate.

[ShortnFiery]

82. Yeah, Hillary is "duplicity in motion."

I feel nauseous after listening to HRC, not informed nor educated. :thumbsdown:

[ShortnFiery]

77. The ENTIRE Nation is freakin' tired of these asinine debates. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

:crazy:

[PBS Poll-435]

81. So tired that 10 Million People tuned in....

[ShortnFiery]

88. And a LARGE percentage of them were *disgusted* with "flag pin" and "patriot" questions.

The ABC debate was a figurative "hit job" on Obama from the intimidating questions to the *perfect lighting* for cameos of Chelsea, Wes Clark, Gov Rendel and Mayor Nutter. :wow: :grr:

ABC sunk so low THE VAST MAJORITY of objective Americans have *zero* trust that the M$M could run a HONEST "bake sale" much less a "political debate." :crazy:

[rodeodance]

86. such arrogance to pretend to speak for the voters!! Rather like your leader!!

[ShortnFiery]

92. Not near as arrogant as your heroine and her husband who delusionally think they own OUR Party.

;)

[rodeodance]

97. Stop lying and we might have a discussion

......Not near as arrogant as your heroine and her husband who delusionally think they own OUR Party.
Posted by ShortnFiery

[Danger Mouse]

148. Don't bother with rodeodance, he's a lost cause.

[rodeodance]

154. Don't bother with Elrond Hubbard he's a lost cause.

[Danger Mouse]

158. Yeah, what he said.

[BlueIdaho]

85. debateoregon.com redirects to hillaryclinton.com - BULLSHIT!

Oh yeah - that's some unbiased will of the people movement alright. So the candidate that's out of money and falling behind wants free media exposure? What a fucking surprise.

I hope the Governor and all his fawning little cronies decide to hold their breath until Obama agrees.

Let 'em turn blue.

[JackORoses]

96. Hillary is such a horrendous loser.

Does she really think she can bully Obama into giving her free advertising?

Fuck you, Hillary! Spend some of your big 10 million dollar windfall, or was that just for paying debts?

[rodeodance]

98. It ws Obama who lost the last debate and PA---What is he afraid of??

[JackORoses]

111. He's not afraid of her, that's for sure.

But why would anyone give her a National Stage to spout smears and attacks from?

She has had her chance. She has lost.
There is no need to go over the same ground again.

Another debate would not give us anything new, it would only give her an opportunity to try and cause damage.

Fuck that! Hillary's time is up.

[rodeodance]

112. WRONG again. She as NOT lost. Stop lying

.....She has had her chance. She has lost.

[JackORoses]

130. oh, she has lost. Only blind faith Hillarites cannot see this.

You should have read the writing on the wall whenever she got her ass kicked in your home state, of all places.

[Hugabear]

120. I see the strategy now: challenge him to neverending debates, don't let him do any campaigning

You know, awhile back I jokingly suggested that Hillary would challenge Obama to twice-weekly debates. I didn't realize that she would actually do that.

[Raffi Ella]

128. Signed.

Barack needs to step up.

[rodeodance]

131. or saddle up. Thanks

[Raffi Ella]

138. .

:7

[RichardRay]

136. If the League of Women Voters will consent to run the debate

and it's held under one of the half-dozen formats defined for formal debate, and the adjudicators are undecided super-delegates who will pledge their vote to the candidate whom they say won the debate, and a practiced moderator is selected from the world of formal debate, then, sure, Senator Obama should think about it. But only think about it. Under any other set of circumstances, forget it.

For those of you unfamiliar with U.S. election debate history, note that the League of Women Voters ran the debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984. On October 2, 1988, the league's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release:

"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates ... because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

LMV on Debate sponsorship

(note: the idea of a moderator from the world of formal debate isn't mine, it was surfaced in this thread: depakid's thread

[rhett o rick]

139. No more so called "debates". ABC proved that these aren't debates, they are opportunities

for the republican owned networks to take potshots at our candidates. If the League of Women Voters run a debate on a public network, I'm in, otherwise no deal.

[Danger Mouse]

144. another opportunity for HRC to spew rw talking points with help from the corpmedia?

no thanks.

[rodeodance]

155. It's an opportunity BHO to show he is not weak. He needs to come prepared.

[RichardRay]

156. LWV moderator? Real debate rules? SD as judges?

How about those things? Or is it just a drumbeat for another ABC-style debacle?

[Danger Mouse]

159. this call is coming straight from Hillary's camp...so she will be pushing for what benefits her...

what benefits her is another ABC-style debate.

[rodeodance]

164. obama should have been out front asking for the debates--Now with his

refusal in NC it makes him look weak.

[Danger Mouse]

166. i'm not sure if it does or not. any polls indicate how this is perceived?

debates benefit Clinton more than they do Obama at this point.

[rodeodance]

173. not that i know of.

[Danger Mouse]

175. since i know du'ers have different views of it...but we're all political junkies...

[RichardRay]

169. And the change in debate sponsor? The moderators?

A formal framework to keep the thing on track? Debate wonks to frame the questions as questions instead of attempts at 'gotcha's', how about those ideas?

What do you think of only doing it if the League of Women Voters can be convinced to run it again? They stepped away from it in 1988 when it started to get too silly, how about putting them back in charge?

[Danger Mouse]

157. I didn't feel Obama was weak at the last debate.

Anyway, if they're going to focus on silly nonissues, I don't see the point.
If they insist on it, then they should give equal time to both.
Hammering away at only Hillary or Obama is unproductive.
And yes, I felt that Russert was too hard on Clinton for the MSNBC debates.

[rodeodance]

162. equal time would be great. The media will

do what it wants. but given the long time spent of issues that
many did not care for, lets hope they cut back on them.--time wise at least.

[Danger Mouse]

165. when they stick to issues, I like Clinton.

I strongly disagree with her hawkish foreign policy of late, but she always sounds strongest when discussing solid issues. She's at her weakest when she's attacking, because she just plain looks bad when she's being sarcastic or snarky.
Honestly, that's what has hurt her in the debates...if it stuck to policy and only policy, she'd beat Obama overall.

[Danger Mouse]

170. hey, can you check out this thread and contribute your thoughts?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5673271&mesg_id=5673271
i'd like to hear your opinion.

[Hippo_Tron]

160. Have it moderated by Thom Hartmann and I'm fine with it

[smiley_glad_hands]

161. No way for her to win, why debate her?eom

[amelia]

168. signed and sent to friends

[rodeodance]

171. :-)

[quakerboy]

172. The good Guv jumped the shark

on his endorsement. That may prove to be a mistake on his part. I note that Congressman Wu today Endorsed Obama

[Tellurian]

174. ....

:kick:

[rodeodance]

176. :-)