I need to correct my stance: i.e. I'll vote for either candidate.

[Buddyblazon]

A couple of nights ago I made the following thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5641386


I stated I would vote for either candidate. And I will...if they win the nomination fairly.

If by the end of this primary Obama has the most delegates he should win the nomination. The name of the game at the start of this race was delegates. That hasn't changed.

If he wins the delegates AND the popular vote (which subsequently doesn't matter....BECAUSE THOSE WERE NOT THE RULES OF THE GAME AS LAID OUT AT THE START) then he most certainly should get the nomination.

If for some reason he should win the delegate count and the popular vote...and the super delegates do not give him the nomination...I will not vote for a President. I'll vote for everything else on my local ballot...but I will not vote for President.



See this is how it works:

I have been reading a lot on here where people justify a scenario like my above example by saying, "Well it wouldn't matter if he won the delegate and popular and DIDN'T get the nomination...because she has more experience."

I could care less about that. If the will of the people is rejected by the Super Delegates even though Obama had won the game by the RULES SET FORTH THAT BOTH CANDIDATES AGREED TO AND KNEW GOING INTO THE GAME....AND by a "rule" that the Clinton campaign has dropped on us in the middle of the game...then I do not want to enable that behavior.



Now if Clinton wins the delegate count at the end of the primaries...then we can start talking about "the new rule" of popular vote (though again...that wasn't the name of the game...but I'll entertain the discussion). But the first rule is the first rule. They knew it going in and agreed to it. We knew it in the beginning and we took part in the process understanding the first rule.


I don't care about experience in regards to the finagling of the will of the people.


To ignore the will of the people will divide our party for GENERATIONS. That's the bottom line.


You can shriek and scream at me until you're blue in the face (as I'm sure some of you will). But to ignore the voters...and use some "Super" people to over rule that...THAT IS U...N...D...E...M...O...C...R...A...T...I...C. And it will force me not to vote for President.

Period.

[grantcart]

1. thanks

[Mezzo]

2. "has the most" is NOT EQUAL to 2025. He CAN'T GET THERE, no matter how badly these guys wanna move

the goal post to "has the most pledged delegates" so we can marginalize democrats and boost red states caucuses, you all are not going to get away with disenfranchising the voters of two states.

[newmajority]

4. The only ones who "disenfranchised two states"

are the self serving DLC shit for brains in those states who broke the rules, in order to climb aboard the Hillary Coronation Express.

Which got derailed in Iowa anyway.

[Buddyblazon]

5. Disenfranchised voters of two states?

The Democratic officials in those states were warned when they first starting pondering the idea. And don't tell me about Florida. I've seen the videos one of the Democratic official leading the charge and his mocking ways.

If I am pondering a decision...and I'm given the consequences of one my choices BEFORE I make the decision...and than complain about the consequences later on...what kind of responsible person am I.

It sucks for the voters of those states. But it's because of their local elected officials that this has come down on them. I hope they find a fair way to seat them. But my suggestion for those constituents...use your vote to get rid of the officials who did this to you.



But AGAIN...the candidates knew what was going on there before hand. This wasn't some sort of surprise.


Please do not tell me you're shocked.

[Erin Elizabeth]

3. If Clinton ends up being the nominee,

(and she'd have to pull some seriously crooked shit to pull that off at this point), I'll do the same thing. I live in a red state, anyway.

And I don't really give a shit what anyone thinks of it, either. She's turned me off so badly to her, I'd have to be drunker than a skunk AND out of my mind to push the button for her and voting for a Republican is just out of the question, so it'd be my one time not to vote in the presidential race.