Norah O'Donnell, with the question being, "Who's winning," says Hillary's claim is technically true

[jenmito]

about winning the popular vote. Unbelievable. She added, "but she's including Michigan, where Barack Obama wasn't even on the ballot." Sorry, Norah, but it is NOT technically true, even if they add MI and FL, because they're not giving Obama ANY votes in MI AND they're not counting any of the many caucus states!!! I'm going to complain to MSNBC by emailing them at [e-mail] . Anyone wanna do the same? :hi:

p.s. While we're at it, maybe we should complain about them showing the GOP's attack ads against Obama while "reporting" on how McCain claimed he didn't want the one ad to run, and the other's only on the internet (and MSNBC's playing it just like they want).

[lisa58]

1. she's a dope

[jenmito]

2. I know, but the story is still being "reported."

[liberaldem4ever]

5. Her laugh makes me want to throw a shoe at the TV

Chris Matthews thinks it sexy or so he said on his show. :smoke:

[jenmito]

16. The only thing I like about her is her laugh.

:shrug:

[liberaldem4ever]

78. I think she is pretty

In a right wing sort of way, so I like something about her too. :think:

[jenmito]

85. Yeah, but she wears SO much makeup!

But she IS pretty-if she wasn't, she wouldn't be on tv.

[liberaldem4ever]

90. We have one anchorwoman in Seattle

Jean Enersen, who is in her sixties, hasn't had any plastic surgery, and doesn't wear a huge amount of makeup. She's very popular and doesn't look like she's trying to look much younger. I can't think of a network anchor like her. There should be lots of them.

[jenmito]

93. That's what I plan to be like in MY 60s, but with NO makeup.

I admire women who don't wear makeup or change themselves with plastic surgery.

[liberaldem4ever]

96. Me too

Nothing is more sad to me than a beautiful woman who has ruined herself with plastic surgery.

[jenmito]

99. Good for you!

That makes two of us! :hi:

[TahitiNut]

98. She's beautiful. (Now, THAT'S where it's at!)

[dbonds]

6. Yes she is, although a cute dope.

[JKaiser]

3. Yippie Hillary is winning!

[truebrit71]

4. Whorah O'Donell is a waste of air...

...

[joeybee12]

7. Anyone wanna find the threads where the Bots were drooling over what Norah

said a few times, and then compare those posts to the ones this one is gonna get????

[jackson_dem]

13. YEverything is seen through the prism of what is good for the Leader

[joeybee12]

42. Amen. n/t

[DJ13]

8. I've found that the women on MSNBC tend to favor Clinton

Its all Clinton all the time with them.

(Which is why I no longer watch when they're running the show.)

Rarely have I heard them give Obama's side of an issue equal time.

Though, in her defense, I heard Mrs. Greenspan yesterday asking a Republican she had on the set with her why wearing a flag pin wasnt an issue when it came to the "only woman in the race, Hillary Clinton", inferring it was a sexist thing to hold Obama to a different standard.

[Pirate Smile]

9. Yesterday, Andrea Mitchell went live to part of an Obama town hall where

he was asked about Superdelegates. He said (paraphrasing) that the will of the voters is translated into the pledged delegates and those should be honored by the superdelegates. Therefore the person with the most pledged delegates should become the nominee.

Andrea Mitchell then cut away from the town hall. She then said "Barack Obama just said that the winner of the popular vote should become the nominee". :nuke: I can't even remember exactly what I screamed out loud at the TV. I was sooooo pissed. Aarrgggghhhh!:nuke:

[joeybee12]

12. Yeah, well on Tuesday she reported that the Clinton camp was in the dumps

all day because they KNEW they were only going to win by 4%...she pulls stuff out of you know where...there's no pro-Hilary or pro-Obama bias, just incompetence.

[Pirate Smile]

27. It is just shocking when they show how uninformed they are since it should be their JOB to

understand this stuff.

They let themselves get spun so much that they don't know which way is up.

[redqueen]

37. Not shocking... inexcusable. As you said - it's their JOB. (nt)

[joeybee12]

40. Anything that creates controversy is good...Norah is like Chris Matthews...

...basically a liar, and while every once in a while they come out with something that is true or factual, it ain't worth my time waiting that long.

[Cha]

70. They do it on purpose..they're purposefully

obstuse. They have orders to bring Obama down..but, NOT THIS TIME.

[jackson_dem]

17. Obama is lying. Districts get different numbers of delegates

It isn't the will of the voters when a heavy pro-Obama district gets 9 delegates, votes 70-80% for Obama while a heavily pro-Clinton district gets only 3.

[Pirate Smile]

21. He is not. This is the way our system is set up. The voters votes are translated into

pledged delegates. That is how the system works. Stop trying to change the rules of the game when it is almost over.

Charlie Cook - But you can’t change how the game is played once it has begun. The Democrats have decided that the nominee will be determined by the number of delegates won, not by the popular vote, and that primaries held in direct violation of party rules (in this case, Florida’s and Michigan’s) don’t count. End of discussion.

[jackson_dem]

44. You aren't disputing Obama's lie that pd's translate the popular will

I guess you realize it is another Obama lie?

[Pirate Smile]

51. You are wrong again but that seems standard.

[jackson_dem]

60. One vote=3 delegates, another in the same state=9 delegates

That reflects the popular will? How much kool aid do you drink?

[Gore1FL]

91. No, that is not how it works...

Delegates are based on the state's Democratic turnout in the last three elections. Delegates represent voters of the state, not who went to a caucus or primary.

You are negating the voters of caucus states, no matter how plentiful that total might be, because caucuses are inherently smaller-- but the selected delgates still represent the entirety of Democrat votes in that state.

By trying to assign delegate worth by caucus attendance or primary participation you achieve an invalid measurement of what delegates represent.

Lets say I went to a baseball game two days in a row and spent $40 for each ticket. In the first game the Cardinals scored 10 runs. In the second one, they scored 1.

By you standards, I spent $4 a run the first game, and $40 a run the second game. Of course this makes no sense to analyze the cost of the ticket in this way. The admission price is not based on runs scored. The reality is that I spent $40 for 1 seat for 1 game.

Likewise, your votes/delegate calculations make no sense, because you are analyzing them in a way that does not represent the design or intention of them.

[MethuenProgressive]

73. Maybe BO's just playing dumb? He can't really be lying about a simple fact, can he?

With more experience, maybe he'll learn more about US elections.

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[jackson_dem]

47. The rules don't call for one person, one vote. Obama lied--again--when he said that

You have to be drinking a lot of kool aid to believe a scheme which gives voters in one Philadelphia district 3x more delegates than voters in rural Pennsylvania is a reflection of the popular will.

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[jackson_dem]

62. Yes, the rules are what they are--and they aren't democratic as the liar Obama said

Only a kool aid drinker or liar would think a scheme that gives some people 3x more weight within a state is a reflection of the popular will. This is the same guy who netted more delegates from a 13,000 vote win in Idaho than Clinton did from a 230,000 vote win in Ohio. Obama and the popular will? Just words--again...

[jenmito]

74. You're desperate. Just like your candidate. Hillary isn't winning and she never WILL be winning.

She can try again in 8 years.

[TahitiNut]

80. You call yourself a "dem" and are just discovering the rules as they've been for THREE DECADES?

Sheesh! Whadda marroon! :eyes:

[jenmito]

81. He's probably not a dem. as much as a Hillary supporter. SHE doesn't even act much like a Dem.

nowadays.

[TahitiNut]

88. Hell, I'm a steadfast independent liberal and even *I'VE* known the rules for decades.

Unfreakingbelievable partisan ignorance. Sheesh!

[jenmito]

94. I'm glad SOMEONE gets it!

:hi:

[dbmk]

97. Hell, I am a guy from Denmark

..that doesn't even live under those rules. And I have known for half a year now. And took me perhaps all of 3-4 minutes to google the answer, once I reflected over why it was distributed like it was.

And this person obviously has no clue.

There is a reason why those districts get more delegates. Its called Democratic voters.

[jenmito]

20. Andrea Mitchell must be the worst anchor on tv. She's SO bad at her job, not only

with her anti-Obama bias, but the way she speaks. She's choppy, cuts people off while talking to ask another question, and other times is silent after someone gives an answer leaving dead air time, can't read the telepromptor right at times, stumbles, etc. I don't see her show lasting very long.

[Shae]

10. I often ask myself

who Ms O'Donnell slept with to get her job. I hope that doesn't come off as sexist, but she is such an airhead.

Someone once described Obama by saying "He's bulletproof, not Bambi," and Ms O'Donnell turned around and repeated the remark, but said "Obama's Bambi, not bulletproof." And that wasn't just a one-time gaffe. I've seen other, similar things from her.

[woolldog]

18. It's not sexist. It's reality.

[Shae]

30. I think so too.

But you know how sensitive things are around here.

[jackson_dem]

11. Wrong. It is true even if you count all the caucus states

Another Obamite fairy tale is there are no popular votes for any caucuses. We have them for about 70% of them and have reliable estimates for the rest. The Clinton campaign is excluding the latter but that only nets Obama 100k more. That still leave him down 11k even with all the caucuses.

Why are Obamites trying to pressure O'Donnell to lie? T

[JackORoses]

19. It is not true. Invalid Primaries don't count.

You know this, yet you persist in your efforts to distort this fact.

I know you aren't stupid, so I can only assume you are devious.

Who do you think you are fooling?

[jackson_dem]

41. Read what she said again. Her statement was talking about with FL and MI being counted

O'Donnell was accurate in what she said. Why spam her to pressure her to stop mentioning facts that aren't favorable for Obama? Is Obama going to have a Ministry of Truth if he wins to prevent this? :eyes:

[JackORoses]

49. She wasn't 'technically' correct.

Technically means based on the hard facts as they exist.

It is a fact that the Primaries in FL and MI have been invalidated.
It is a fact that invalid votes do not count toward the final vote count.
It is a fact that Obama leads by over 500,000 votes.

Hillary's statement is not 'technically correct', it is 'theoretically possible' but in no way probable and certainly not actual.

[jackson_dem]

63. Exactly she was correct. Those votes are hard facts that exist

I guess in Obamaland we are supposed to pretend two states that account for 41 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win don't exist? 2.3 million people voted in those two states (in contrast 9,000 voted in the Wyoming caucus). Their vote's can't be erased from memory by an Obamite Ministry of Truth.

[JackORoses]

71. The elections in FL and MI were invalidated before they even happened

The voters knew going into them that they would not count for anything.

It really is sad to see you flounder about pushing Hillarite truthiness.

You are a smart guy. You know what is going to happen.
You just aren't emotionally ready to accept it. I can respect that.

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[jackson_dem]

43. Obama won 0 votes in Michigan. O'Donnell's statement is factually accurate

Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan to kiss Iowa and New Hampshire behind so he got 0 votes. You are changing O'Donnell's statement. She didn't talk about "if" he is given votes that were not cast for him.

[jenmito]

52. No it's not. I didn't change her statement. I quoted what she said. What she said is false.

It's NOT technically true that if MI and FL's votes are added Hillary would be winning. She wouldn't. Because if all the states that voted counted, you'd have to add the caucus states.

[redqueen]

14. Her name will always make me sad.

[jenmito]

24. Why?

[redqueen]

31. Sent you a PM...

[jenmito]

34. OK. I'll check.

:hi:

[thoughtcrime1984]

15. She sucks

Either disingenuous or stupid, either way she is just another bobbling head.

[kentuck]

23. She did say that Obama was not even on the ballot in MI...

But I think it is good that this issue is being discussed. It helps people understand exactly where the Clinton campaign is coming from...

[jenmito]

25. Yes, she DID say that, but she still said it's "technically true" which it's not, since they're

not adding in ANY caucus states!

[kentuck]

65. Although they only count the delegates and not the caucus goers...

It is possible that in many precincts, Obama may have won by only one vote and therefore would have gotten the delegate. Conversely, in the precincts that Hillary won in the caucus, she may have had a hundred more people in her precincts but she would have only won one delegate also. It's not accurate to say that because Obama won more delegates in the caucus that he had to have had more people vote for him. That is not necessarily true. There is no way to know.

[jenmito]

72. Which means the statement is not factually accurate. That's why Hillary's newest attempt to paint

herself as the one in the lead is misleading and desperate.

[kentuck]

84. Absolutely correct.

And that is why she is talking with super delegates behind closed doors today.

[jenmito]

87. I'm not surprised. Sneaky as she is.

[TexasObserver]

26. Anyone who says it isn't over is someone who can't pass grade school math.

Pretty faces who talk well on camera tend to belong to vacuous people who couldn't balance a checkbook on a bet. Nora and most of the MSNBC on camera crew fall into that group. Contessa Brewer is the dumbest person on TV, and proves it every time she's on camera.

[jenmito]

33. Well, they just read what's in the teleprompter. Sometimes they "riff" on their own, but if the

teleprompter went down, they'd all be lost. It happened to Andrea Mitchell more than once already.

[TexasObserver]

92. True. Unlike us, they don't know anything they aren't spoon fed.

Literally. They read the nonsense they are provided, and to them, that is news.

[jenmito]

95. Yup. And I KNOW a guy who works for MSNBC who puts the stories into the teleprompter and

he was hired to "balance out the left-leaning bias" at MSNBC. :eyes: (It's my old college roommate's husband. She has changed so much that we don't even talk much anymore. SHE thinks ALAN KEYES was the most inspirational speaker in the race.)

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. Horah O'Donnell also said that PA was "a clear game-changer for Hillary"

After insisting earlier in the evening that she needed an
8 point margin to justify staying in the race.

So she wins by beating the point spread by 1%.

[DemVet]

36. A win is a win.

[jenmito]

39. Not when you need at least 65% of the vote in each remaining state and you only get 54.6% in

the state you have the best shot at winning big!

[PassingFair]

89. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

A win is a win....

:rofl:

Who are you? Rumsfeld?

[DemVet]

32. Damn....is Norah O'Donnell hot or what?

Unlike Tweety, who says Obama gives him a tingling in his leg, Norah gives me a tingling in my "leg."

:toast:

[jenmito]

38. What a disgusting comment.

[DemVet]

46. Lighten up.

I don't see you calling any of the anti-Hillary insults disgusting now do I? No I don't.

[ShortnFiery]

50. Yes, we know that it's not ever sexist or hypocritical when leering quips come from HRC folks.

:crazy:

[jenmito]

54. What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with you insulting Obama.

[DemVet]

56. Read it again...there was no insult towards Obama.

Besides, what if there was?

I've read plenty of insults towards Hillary from you.

[jenmito]

79. I know that which is why I find it strange that you brought up "anti-Hillary" insults.

Your words in response to MY post about your comment about O'Donnell: "Lighten up.

I don't see you calling any of the anti-Hillary insults disgusting now do I? No I don't." :wtf:

[ShortnFiery]

48. I find it quite hypocritical that pro-HRC people make such IMO, sexist leer comments.

I'm a heterosexual woman - but I'm also comfortable enough with myself that I'm willing to admit - the obvious: Norah O'Donnell is physically gorgeous.

HOWEVER, I also note that she is "very sharp" when she wants to be. I can't help but WONDER IF both Norah and Mika get briefed by "the suits" upstairs to DUMMY UP (remember Archie Bunker?) at times and go along with the pro-HRC script. :shrug:

[DemVet]

57. Dummy Up?

Actually, I find them both intelligent.

[ShortnFiery]

61. Tell ya what, watch a few episodes of "All In The Family" and get back with me?

;) We're talking past each other right now. :hi:

[kentuck]

66. Yeah, she is hot....

But sometimes dumb as a rock. :-)

[otohara]

75. She's Cute,

my male friend says the same thing. She's preggers right now - got the glow!

[ShortnFiery]

35. I have mixed feelings about Norah because I love her laugh. Alas, the evil alternate persona ...

I nickname "Whora" is coming to the surface.

Come back to REAL Norah? You're way too intelligent and personable to go completely to "the dark side". :shrug:

[barack the house]

45. One radio caller said some MI were voting Hillary as she was second choice but wanted Obama.

[jenmito]

55. Makes sense. And a professor from Wharton said over 2 million people didn't vote knowing their

vote wouldn't count.

[SoCalDem]

58. and says..... "it's close"..

It's NOT!!

[jenmito]

59. Yeah-and her guest agreed with her.

:eyes: It's close to impossible!

[SoCalDem]

76. and they keep saying shit like "Still leads"..like there are 45 states left to go

What they need to say is.. :

she MUST win EVERY remaining state by at LEAST 35%...EVERY STATE...just to get CLOSE..Lose ONE state and the ante for the others gets HIGHER than 35%.

"still leads" implies that she can catch him.. she cannot..

[jenmito]

83. Exactly. They're falling for Hillary's "the tide is turning" when it's not only NOT turning but

there aren't enough states for it to turn.

[2rth2pwr]

64. It is true, people made a decision to leave their homes, travel to voting

centers and place a mark or punch a hole specifically for Hillary.

More people have voted for Hillary than anybody else this primary season.

[kmsarvis]

82. That will change in two weeks.

[GoldieAZ49]

67. Who had Obama's name removed from the ballot in MI?

They should hold that person responsible

[Cha]

68. Thanks, jenmito!

I basically asked them to stop perpetuating hilary's lies.

Rec'd.

[jenmito]

77. Thank YOU, zidzi!

I said the same thing! :hi:

[Eurobabe]

69. Nahora? The whole MSM is spinning this for

Clinton. :puke:

[Life Long Dem]

86. I haven't watched the news in 2 days.

It doesn't look like I'm missing anything. I recommend everyone take a break from the lies we see on the television. I might go until May 6th or earlier if they calm down with the lies - which I doubt they would do.