Don't Assume Hillary will Quit if Obama reaches the 2025 Delegates Needed to Clinch

[Avalon6]

Technically, superdelegates are free to change their mind, so even if Obama reaches 2025, Clinton could argue that the superdelegates could change their mind at any point up to the convention. She could also demand the results are invalid until Florida and Michigan are counted. This could seriously happen. She could decide to hang around till the convention, hoping for some gaffe from Obama that allows his superdelegates to switch to her.

[lojasmo]

1. Just like a vampyre, that one. EOM

[LSparkle]

21. Ain't it the truth ... this really concerns me

We're going have to live on pins and needles until they vote at
the convention in August ... This is going to kill me.

[newmajority]

2. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary refuses to go away even after

Obama gives his acceptance speech in Denver.

[lapfog_1]

3. Hillary will not concede until the convention has a nomination vote

how else to screw the November elections so she can run in 2012.

[papau]

22. A better view of "not quiting until vote" is fact that pledged and SD folks can switch at any time

[Emillereid]

4. She'll still be running when Obama takes the oath of office!

[NJSecularist]

5. And she has every right to do so.

I expect a summer ad blitz by Hillary telling the American people how Obama is unelectable.

[wileedog]

10. And you are fine with the elected presumptive nominee

being torn down before a critical election with the Republicans?

Not that she will be able to pay for it anyway.

[NJSecularist]

16. If Obama was the presumptive nominee before the convention, he would be elected by superdelegates.

I have no problem with Hillary taking this to the convention. Neither candidate has on 2024 pledged delegates.

[wileedog]

24. The OP said this is after Obama has 2025 pledged to him

If that happens, and Hillary still runs a campaign to tear down his electability, thereby doing all of McCains work for him, are you still ok with that?

[NJSecularist]

32. Obama will never reach 2025 pledged delegates.

So it is impossible.

[thoughtcrime1984]

36. If it goes to the convention unresolved with Obama over 2025

Then she is blatantly causing the Party to lose this election. I would not be against any action the Party takes to keep that from happening. We need to win this election, it is not all about her, despite what she tells everyone. She'd be absolutely screwed as far as running in the future, too. Nobody will forget if she causes a loss to McCain.

[Benhurst]

40. It's too late for either of them to go to the convention with 2025 pledged delegates.

Super delegate endorsements are nice; but, under the rules, they can change on a whim up until the votes are cast.

The nomination belongs to neither Clinton nor Obama at this point. And being "close" is no more meaningful than holding a lottery ticket that is "close." Usually by this time, one candidate has united the party. This year, no one has managed to do so.

[DesertFlower]

6. you might be right.

she's a fighter -- a dirty one, which has completely turned me off.

[Dr Fate]

7. More and more like her ideological soulmate, Joe Lieberman everyday.

Except Republicans really are willing to vote for Joe.

[Austinitis]

8. She shouldn't quit if she gets the popular vote.

She should demand that super-delegates not overturn popular will.

[tekisui]

18. She can't demand shit from the Supers.

Voting against the Pledged count could also be labeled overturning the voters will.

Besides, she doesn't have the popular vote.

[ShortnFiery]

19. What part of "The DELEGATES determine the Democratic Nominee" do you not copy?!?

:(

[NJSecularist]

33. 2025 pledged delegates determine the nominee.

Neither candidate will have 2025 pledged delegates at the end of this process.

[high density]

9. Money will stop her

This $10 million in a day stuff is a total joke. There's no way to prove it. I don't doubt that she got some money in, but I find it really hard to believe 100,000 people out there suddenly opened up their wallets and put down an average of $100.

[Shae]

26. That's my hope.

If she runs out of money, it's all over.

Of the 20 million she got in March, 8 million came in on the 31st. That's 40% of the total. I find that strange.

[rox63]

11. Several of Hillary's SD's have jumped ship over to Obama

That trend certainly is telling. Have any Obama SD's switched to Hillary? I haven't heard of any.

[David__77]

12. So what?

It will not be too relevant. It'll just be pro forma at that point.

[tokenlib]

13. 2012 will be wishful thinking if she pulls that crap...

Too much of the party would blame her to get behind her in four years.

[Shae]

29. i think she's already trashed her chances for 2012

imho

[Shae]

14. I heard someone the other day saying

when Obama is being sworn in on January 20, 2009, Hillary will still be running.

Can't remember who said that.

[ShortnFiery]

15. DAMN! Then MoDo is right about one thing: Hillary is "The Terminator."

We need to shut down the Clintonian DLC stranglehold on The Democratic Party. It's time to lock down on the right wing of OUR party. IMO, they've intimidated the moderates for far too long. :grr:

[LSparkle]

25. Amen (re the "Clintonian DLC stranglehold")

END IT NOW!

[Timefortruth]

17. She's in this for blood, not victory

The delegate count won't matter.

[ShortnFiery]

23. HRC is delusional - Her and Bill have been spoiled by power and privilege for far too long.

If she "goes for blood" and our party IMPLODES, "The Clinton Brand" along with their coveted DLC will be figuratively crushed at the bottom of the pile. The Party will rise from the ashes, like a Beautiful Phoenix, but The Clintons will be considered TRAITORS, not only to The Party, but to America

Push this at your own POLITICAL demise Hilly! :evilgrin:

Someone who lives in the "real political world" needs to have "a quiet word" with both Bill and Hill.

[DJ13]

20. She will become a pariah in her own party if she tries that

The only losers in that case will be the people in NY she's supposed to represent, as no other Democrats will work with her in the Senate.

[LSparkle]

28. Really! Does she think any of them will "play" with her after this?

This campaign has the smell of "crash and burn" about it (regarding
her entire political career).

[ampad]

27. OMG

The desperation is getting thicker every single day. If she does this then she might as well kiss her Senate seat goodbye. :shrug:

I wanted to edit to say I'm not talking about the OP being desperate.

[backscatter712]

30. Hopefully, backroom armtwisting will put a stop to that.

As far as I'm concerned, after Obama hits 1627 pledged delegates, the supers should immediately swing to Obama to give him 2025, and it should be over.

[Benhurst]

41. Better yet, just give it him no matter what.

Elections are such a bother.

[invictus]

31. Hillary is crazy. She wont be satisfied until the Democratic Party is renamed the Clinton Party. n/t

[book_worm]

34. Oh I don't, she will do all she can to guarantee a McCain victory in November

even if he did get 2024 she will keep going until the convention and try to weaken Obama.

[PoliticalAmazon]

35. She's like a piece of toiletpaper stuck to your shoe....

...the only way you can get rid of the problem is by acknolwedging the problem is there and getting yourself dirty in dealing with it.

Hillary, The Toiletpaper Stuck to The Dem Party's shoe.

[Cassandra]

42. At least the toilet paper stuck to your shoe...

is from the floor, not the toilet bowl.

[Window]

37. Please. I assume nothing when it comes to Hillary...really.

I put absolutely nothing past her.

[cali]

38. codswallop. she will not commit political suicide

or completely destroy the Clinton legacy. She's far too smart for any such thing. She's not the boogeywoman or insane. If he gets 2025, and she stays in, you'll see prominent SDs like Frank, Boxer, Corzine and dozens more, flee from her to him. She won't be able to raise money, the press coverage will make anything else she's suffered from the MSM look like a day in the park.

[olkaz]

39. I think you might be underestimating her ambition.

They're **this** close.

They will not go quietly into the night.

[saltpoint]

43. If Mrs. Clinton is not the nominee for our party in 2008, and she isn't

going to be, her future influence in the party is corresopndent to the grace she shows in an exit strategy.

The longer she stays in slinging crap the less likely she'll be highly regarded as a party elder down the road.

A very strong case could be made that she's overstayed her welcome some weeks ago.

Obama has essentially defeated her for the nomination. Were he not in the race, there are 6 other of the original 8 Democrats whose voices were pointlessly silenced so we could hear Hillary drone on in slogans and cliches and half-baked sentiments.