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Thu Apr-24-08 03:21 PM
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Headline I saw on a paper today.
I've seen similar things elsewhere, focusing on Indiana.
This is despite the fact that NC votes on the same day, and it's much larger with far more delegates.
Why do you suppose that is?
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:23 PM
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1. B/C Barack is expected to win NC which in Hillary's world means nothing. |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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Throw NC onto the pile of states that "don't count" |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:36 PM
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17. Actually, the Dems don't much of a shot at either one of those states |
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so the numbers coming out of there are less of a concern than say Ohio, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin.
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Thu Apr-24-08 05:56 PM
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24. Yep, just as likely as the Dems are to win TX |
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Which a lot of people still say Hillary won.
Nonetheless, no state should be taken for granted, as a win or a loss. It's what the 50-state strategy is all about. And it works. For example, we have a real shot at Virginia this year. That wasn't the case a few years back.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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2. because there is an incorrect assumption in the media that Obama |
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has locked up NC. Never mind the fact that every poll coming out of the state has undecideds at above 15%.
So, because it is a state that is already in the can, in theory, it is not as important, whereas Indiana is competitive under some metric. Both are actually competitive and I see North Carolina shocking the nation when it does vote, just because no one was paying attention.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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3. Because Obama is up by quite a bit in NC |
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In Indiana, it's still close.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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Clinton has a chance to win there I suppose. Of course, NC is indeed bigger, and much more likely to be "swingier" in the general election.
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Thu Apr-24-08 05:25 PM
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23. but but but, Indiana is "The Crossroads of America" |
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The sign was very big or I would've missed it, speeding to get the hell out of there.
"Swingier"
You're funny... I'm going to steal that and pretend I thought it up.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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5. It might have something to do with the fact that Obama has a reportedly .... |
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substantial lead in SC. I would love to see him sweep IA as well and put Clinton out of this thing once and for all.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:31 PM
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15. SC? IA? Those are done deals. |
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Thu Apr-24-08 04:35 PM
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21. Your correct, I made a typo.... Stand corrected.. n/t |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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6. Right now the polls are closer in Indiana |
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so we have to have all the talking heads' melodrama for weeks.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM
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10. Fortunately, they have less than two weeks to play it up... whew... n/t |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM
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7. Keep this in mind: Indiana is an open primary state. |
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Unlike PA. Republicans and Independents can vote in this primary. Who would you think that would favor?
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM
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8. because indiana is theoretically a close state |
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NC is presumed to be HIS state..but Indiana is do-able for each..
He has northwestern Indiana(Chicago suburbs), college towns , Indianapolis area & the tech sectors and she gets the racist wahoos everywhere else.. ..Bill's working on them right now..(lots of klan & neo-nazi connections in indiana)
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM
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9. Obama to visit Kokomo!! |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:44 PM
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20. I got my degree in Kokomo. Dang, I still miss Indiana. And it was |
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big time KKK land back in the 20's I believe. Getting old here. I had a junior year history class that was spent totally on the history of the KKK. I had been from NW Indiana and this information was a real eye opener for me. I hope it's not still true, but I think you can find quite a few racist in some parts of Indiana. I mean hard core. Obama shouldn't have any trouble in NW Indiana. We were truly a melting pot and although it was still racist to a point way back then, I'm sure things have changed.
I have a raving right wing step-brother there that hates Hillary with a passion and he told me several months ago that he was going to vote for Obama. That was before McCain got the nomination. I haven't talked to him since, but I would not be surprised if he votes Obama in the primary and then votes McCain in the fall.
There might be a lot of Hillary haters in Indiana to balance out any racism factor. Indiana is a total mystery to me in who might win.
I'm voting for the Democratic candidate in November!
Oh, and if I was still living in Indiana, I would have liked to have seen Obama. But, I guess he might be spending a lot of time in Florida in a few months. I might get my chance. He's going to have to fight like hell for this state when it should have been his with very little effort.
Bad Florida!
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:27 PM
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11. It is because, simply, Hillary does not improve in any state. |
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She only goes down. She is already well known throughout the country. She cannot win over new people. THis is the same reason she would have a tough time int the GE.
Obama closes gaps, has consistently. Indiana could be the deathblow to the Clinton campaign. But, NC is a definite lose to her.
Why does the media play within Hillary's frame? I guess for ratings.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:27 PM
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12. They want to extend the narrative... yet again... while Obama has already WON |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:28 PM
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13. Hillary is more concerned about North Carolina. Why? |
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Because if Obama gets a large win, maybe 150,000 vote margin, then it will be almost impossible for her to claim a popular vote lead, even with MI and FL added to her configurations.
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:30 PM
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14. The MSM Clinton cheerleading squad can only focus on states she might win |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:32 PM
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16. Hillary can't afford to lose one more state. |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 03:36 PM by SoonerPride
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:37 PM
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18. Because NC, being a state Obama will win, naturally "doesn't matter" :) |
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Thu Apr-24-08 03:39 PM
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19. Because IN is a more competitive race, obviously |
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NC is assumed to be in the tank for Obama because he has consistently polled so strongly there, and because there is no history of Clinton cutting his margins heavily in states where he is ahead.
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Thu Apr-24-08 05:21 PM
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22. Well then that just beggars the question. |
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If polls show that Indiana is going to have little or no impact on the nomination (close race, fewer delegates) and North Carolina is going to have a much more significant impact (landslide, far more delegates) then why shouldn't the focus be on NC?
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