Everybody Ready for Hillary to Win Guam, North Carolina, and Indiana and Retake this race???

[Wes87]

I AM! That's right. Hillary will win Guam and Indiana and she is going to squeak by in North Carolina. The latest SUSA poll shows her down only 9 before her PA bump. That state is taylor made for Obama but people are starting to have their doubts and if he cannot win there, where can he win? Obama will lose the white vote big there, Hillary will eat a little into his black vote, and she will win there and change the face of this race. I wouldnt be surprised if Hillary ran the table and eventually took the lead in popular vote in Puerto Rico.

Go Hillary, and On to the Nomination!


YES WE WILL

YES WE WILL

YES WE WILL!


Hillary 08'!

[rove karl rove]

1. probably correct, except for NC

If she wins there, it'd be the upset of the centure - most "experts" give her only a 5 percent chance to win there.

[mcctatas]

215. she's also down in Indiana...

Obama 45.3
Clinton 41.7

http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[On the Road]

2. In the Event That Clinton Wins All Those States

I still don't see how she can retake this race.

[haymakeragain]

3. Is she gonna get 70% of each?

Doubt it, but that's what she needs. Can you tell me how this shapes up? I mean, can you explain the course of events that lead to Hillary winning the nomination. I've asked others to no avail. Can you spell it out for me?

[Wes87]

7. Its about Popular vote, and she will overtake Obama in that Metric

[haymakeragain]

13. But that doesn't give her the nomination, that's only spin, how does she win

the nomination? Exactly. spell it out for me.

[Wes87]

19. The Uncommitted Superdelegates will come out for her big time if she wins the popular vote

They see that Obama is becoming more and more unelectable.

[haymakeragain]

So they are going to overturn the delagate count, and give it to Hillary?

do you think that is wise? that's a tad bit scary, to say the least.

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[haymakeragain]

65. Explain the "fair" part. I think you mean popular vote "fair" right?

How do you account for Florida and Michigan? and caucuses, fairly. I appreciate your candor. It's helping me to understand the Hillary campaign logic. I just want to make a decision with as much fact as I can gather. Thanks.

[kevinbgoode]

70. What's fair? Sorry - she's already proven herself unelectable.

We can't afford a general election with a candidate who might, if we are lucky, manage to win half a dozen states in New England - and lose miserably everywhere else. She has no effective campaign organizion, has difficulty raising funds and support, and you think it is "fair" to appoint her the candidate even though she squandered having ALL of the advantages at the beginning of the campaign season. She messed her own campaign up here.

We want a Democratic president - she can't deliver. She couldn't deliver by Super Tuesday, which she promised. She still can't deliver.

[Wes87]

83. She wins in OH, PA, and FL in the GE...Obama is lucky to carry any of those.

[haymakeragain]

121. You didn't answer me above and I'm very interested in the logic.

How are you accounting for Michigan? And Florida? And Caucuses in your "popular vote" argument? Please help me to understand. I am giving you an opportunity to make your case.

[Wes87]

130. Most Caucuses are already accounted for.

[haymakeragain]

140. How are the causcuses accounted for? And what's your take on

Florida and Michigan? I would really like to know if your case is legit. I welcome your input, it might help me see that you have a reasonable argument. I need more info though.

[MadBadger]

159. I will say, the crazy person does have one point

Most caucuses are in the popular vote already. There are about four or five that havent put out numbers yet, but estimates have Obama gaining 100,000 votes

[haymakeragain]

162. Thanks for the info. I am wondering what, exactly

they want out of Florida and Michigan. I will give them Florida as is, even though it isn't what I'd call "fair" by any stretch of the imagination. As for Michigan, do they really expect us to sit still and have Obama get ZERO votes? They aren't really saying that are they? He wasn't on the ballot, do they seriously want to give 100% to Hillary?

None of them seems to want to tell me how they want this to play out. I fear that they are embarrassed to admit that they want something that is completely ridiculous and unfair.

do you know what they want to do about Michigan?

[onenote]

192. based on the HRC campaign's claim that they lead in popular votes, they want to give Obama zero

in Michigan and claim 328,000 votes for HRC.

Even they can't possibly believe that any such thing would/could happen. There isn't any legitimate argument for doing so and no superdelegate would be fooled into thinking that a popular vote count -- to the extent they were going to be influenced by that metric -- that assumed no popular support in Michigan for Obama is reflective of the real world. Its put out there as spin for the HRC campaign that desparately needs positive stories since the basic message in the media after the "big win" in PA has been that it was enough to keep the race going, but not enough to change the fact that she's got an essentially insurmountable hill to climb.

[pdx_prog]

166. What is your reasoning there?

She won them (slightly) in the primary.....who says that the Dem can't carry them in Nov.?

[RaleighNCDUer]

187. For one thing, neither of them are taking Florida.

There hasn't been an honest election there in the past 8 years - they're not about to start now.

And taking PA is going to be real difficult without the Phili vote - which she won't carry if the supers overturn the delegate lead to give her the nom.

[yardwork]

194. I don't think so.

[PseudoIntellect]

199. "Obama is lucky to carry any of those."

False.

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[MadBadger]

158. Sadly, its all over Capital Hill

[comradebillyboy]

169. Capitol Hill, An excellent site, I recommend it highly

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

173. it has no business here at DU by DU'ers, we have a freeper invasion

folks should order pizzas for these jerks.

[Exilednight]

181. How is overriding the pledged delegate system fair, exactly? Are they really willing..............

to disenfranchise that many voters?

[Exilednight]

183. self delete = dupe

[guyanakoolaid]

208. Thanks, for signing up and sharing that message with us, newb.

How did you find this board?

[CoffeeCat]

18. No, it's always been about delegate count...

...despite the fact that Hillary is changing the rules in the fourth quarter--because she
can't surpass Obama in delegate count.

That's like a football coach deciding that points scored doesn't determine the winner--it's how
many fans showed up for each team.

You people. It's pathetic enough that Hillary throws out this dung, but when you parrot her idiocy,
it really makes me weep for the future.

I guess in Hillary's world, the race for stupidity has no finish line.

[Wes87]

22. Popular vote represents the wiill of the people.

Isnt that what we all said in the 2000 election? Things change?

[TahitiNut]

33. Bullshit.

The rules have NEVER been one-person-one-vote NOR have they weighed primaries above caucuses. NEVER.

It's as BATSHIT INSANE as claiming a win in football based on yards gained.

It's spin for morons and idiots.

[Wes87]

37. Please do not Curse...It is unbecoming

[Oreo]

51. He's got a point

[DWilliamsamh]

128. You know what else is "unbecoming?"

A presidential contender acting like a spoiled 5 year old who insists she's won despite losing according to the rules of the game she agreed to and understood by everyone else playing. THAT is much more unbecoming in a person who seeks to be President of a nation with thousands of nuclear weapons a population of over 300 million and a politics based, at least in theory, on mature consensus building and working with others of different persuasions.

In terms of who I'd rather deal with - I will take a strait shooting foul mouthed longshoreman or trucker any day of the week over a prim and proper prima donna executive cheater any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[TahitiNut]

133. Typical patronizing, condescending, nanny-statist horse shit.

FWIW, "shit" isn't CURSING ... "damn" is cursing ... "shit" is scatological and vulgar. If you want to be pretentious about language, the fucking LEARN something.

[PseudoIntellect]

201. Popular vote

does not exist if there are both caucuses and primaries in an election.

It is only valid if the primaries are all caucuses or all primaries. But there are both...

Gee, wouldn't it be great if we had a system that balanced proportionally the caucuses and primaries so that we had an accurate measure of the will of the people based on state populations?

Oh, wait! We have pledged delegates!

[Warren DeMontague]

236. Fuck that fucking shit.

Oh, sorry.

[CoffeeCat]

45. I don't give a rat's ass if the popular vote...

...represents the number of ping-pong balls falling from the sky.

The popular vote doesn't not determine our winner.

Shut off CNN, and come down from the Hillary spin-high that is rotting your brain.

The candidate with the most delegates will win this race, and the Supers will go with that candidate.

Popular vote is a number. It's not used to factor the winner.

Crikey! I'm about ready to lose my mind with this bullshit. What's next? "Oh! Oh! Hillary
wins because she can finish a Rubik's Cube first!"

I need a drink...and some crack...and a gallon of liquid valium.

Please, let the insanity end. I can't take this level of dumb.

[Wes87]

60. You sound like Shrub back in 2000

[CoffeeCat]

90. ...and you sound like a lemming....

following Hillary over the cliff with her shameful, ridiculous spin.

If her talking point of the day was that she wins because her pantsuits
are more exciting than Obama's ties--you'd be hear arguing how glorious
her clothes are and why it's unAmerican to discriminate against a candidate
who has the courage to wear pantsuits.

You are unbelievable.

[johnnydrama]

177. point me to Al Gore's quote

Where he says since he got the most votes he should therefore be the President. forgetting about Florida.

He knows electoral votes win you the Presidency. We know delegates win you the nomination.

Al Gore is a grownup.

[Capn Sunshine]

185. and YOU sound like a complete disruptor, so mission accomplished

what's next from Operation Chaos?

[libbygurl]

150. 'I need a drink...and some crack...and a gallon of liquid valium.' Easier yet -

- just stay off the Kool-Aid. Things will become much clearer and saner once you do that.

[CoffeeCat]

155. Wow, you guys have completely gone off...

...the deep end.

You're arguing that we change the rules for Hillary. Rules that have been in place
for decades.

And you accuse me of drinking the Kool-Aid?

I'm losing my faith in humanity.

That's fine, if you want to play these games. If you want to suddenly decide that our
elections should be based on new metrics that serve to prop up the candidate who is
trailing.

But at least have a debate...admit that's what you're doing and defend it--instead of
throwing out childish "Kool-Aid" comments.

I'm not the one spinning and inventing new rules during the forth quarter.

[anigbrowl]

59. Sez you. It can also disenfranchise people.

Why is it that every state gets 2 US Senators hwen some states are so much bigger than others? Because the individual states are important in their own right, and the state/federal balance is a fundamental aspect of our body politic.

[Adelante]

74. That was a GE, not a primary

The sole purpose of a primary is to elect delegates, as is specified in the rules.

[DWilliamsamh]

119. If the Nomination process was predicated on "popular vote" the you would be correct.

IT ISN'T. This is just one more way in which Hillary shows her sense of entitlement. "If none of the actual criteria set out BEFORE the process started favor me - I want you to look at this new thing that I MIGHT 'win,' regardless of the fact that a large price is paid by the states that used caucuses, and the FACT that my opponents name wasn't even on the ballot on one state." But it's "fair" because I say it's fair.

And BTW, speaking for my self in 2000 I wasn't mad because Al Gore won more votes than Bush nation wide yet Bush ended up with in the Oval office. I was angry because Florida's electoral votes were awarded based on an incomplete count. Had there been a legitimate count and Bush won Florida fair and square, those electoral college votes would have rightly been his as well as the Oval office despite the fact that Al Gore would still have won more votes nation wide. Know why I would have been able to accept defeat? Because it would have be legitimate according to the rules that were laid out going in!

It's called being an adult and having some integrity and grace. You and Hillary should look up those words.

[Yes We Did]

23. sorry, it's NOT about popular vote. It's about delegates.

Maybe you missed that rule... or you just think you can change it.

[kevinbgoode]

54. Nonsense. That really doesn't give her anything.

Recruiting right-wing Republicans to vote for her doesn't give her any claim to the nomination.

[powergirl]

78. Delegates determine the nomination

HRC herself said this back in February. And Obama is ahead in the popular vote too.

[Capn Sunshine]

182. It's all about the popular vote?

Since when and on what planet?

Sorry, but losers don't re-write the rules.
It's all about delegates.
Alway was.
Alway IS
Always will be tomorrow.

[Life Long Dem]

41. If a candidate can't even tell how they are going to achieve the nomination

then what makes anyone think they are an electable candidate or even a viable candidate for the Presidency? Is Clinton going to have the same answers once in the White House for the Iraq war, the economy, the global warming, or the health care system? She has shown how unorganized she is, how much of a liar she is, and where she will ship your job - thanks to Bill.

[onehandle]

4. I'm ready for the end of the race. I wish the party luck, whoever wins.

Hope you have your anti-flame suit on.

[DJ13]

5. Have you tried increasing the dosage?

:rofl:

[ORDagnabbit]

6. doesnt she need to win by 70% in every state now to win?

[kevinbgoode]

61. Oh, I think she has a plan that has nothing to do with winning the delegates

and that is where the party will be torn apart. She had everything going for her when the campaign season started - the money, the endorsements, a husband to tag-team campaign, more name recognition. And high negatives that have only gone higher. We can't nominate a candidate who is incapable of reducing her negative image among the general public. She has had a chance to do that during this campaign, and failed, opting to do exactly what most Americans are sick of - dirty campaigning.

[IndependentDem]

127. i think she needs about 70% of the vote-- win by about 30%. n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

131. you are correct.. I said it badly.

[CoffeeCat]

8. Wow, I've never actually...

...come across someone who snorts drain cleaner every day.

Nice to meet you.

You're delusional if you think she's taking NC. Indiana is tied up. I saw two IN polls
that had Obama up by FIVE, but most have Hillary with a slight lead--within the margin of error.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. I sure am.

And I love the SUSA has NC in the single digits.

It is going to be close.

Indiana is in the bag.

[Wes87]

63. They are ALL in denial.

[Skink]

10. Next comes American Samoa then USVI ..then on to Puerto Rico...

AGHHHHh!!

[The_Counsel]

91. Not For Nothing, But Obama Already Won The Virgin Islands Back In February... (n/t)

.

[tekisui]

11. She has to win Guam by 64% to net one delegate.

She won't win NC, and IN will be another split on delegates. She cannot retake this race, realistically. She will win KY, WV and most likely PR.

MT, SD, and OR lean to Obama.

[Wes87]

16. Montana and SD are full of those small town people that Obama disgustingly Insulted

Oregon is full of latte Liberals anyway, so I doubt they will come to their sensess.

[CoffeeCat]

73. Obama is ahead by 12 in South Dakota...

...try again.

http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache:lzS1Tj-5bGQJ:www.pollster.com/08-SD-Dem-Pres-Primary.php+south+dakota&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Geez.

[John Q. Citizen]

77. I live in small town MT. We love Obama. Hillary is insulting the whole party by endorsing McCain,

Obama is going to win Montana. And you can take that to the bank.

[JoFerret]

240. How many electoral votes in Montana?

.

[cali]

89. he didn't insult them near as much as hilly

with her screw 'em commnent and sorry, they detest the queen out there. She's screwed. snap out of it.

[Wes87]

111. You're from Vermont, how would you know?

[cali]

126. gee, maybe because I've actually kept up

with the primaries and caucuses out west?

[neverforget]

188. I'm from Oregon, where are you from? You've already called me

a latte liberal for living in Oregon, what "good" state do you live in? State of Denial?

[Liberal Gramma]

124. #72 on my list

[MattBaggins]

134. ahhh your one of those

small town elitists. Small town people are better than everyone else.

[windbreeze]

161. insulted??? insulted??? are you kidding me??? by telling the truth???

I gotta tell ya...if people aren't bitter by now...THEN THEY AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION...!!....out of work, losing their homes, don't know how they're going to pay the bills, losing their transportation, losing loved ones in a non essential war, scandal after scandal for the last 8 years, paying 3 times what they did when * took office for a gallon of gasoline...food shortages...economy sick and failing....STOLEN ELECTIONS....what else could there be, for all of us to be bitter about...????? Insulted...INDEED!! We better be...wb

[neverforget]

186. Oregon is full of latte liberals anyway? Nice elitist comment.

[file83]

193. Let me guess, you are part of Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos"?

Call it a hunch.

[Qutzupalotl]

222. I like my coffee like I like my candidate...

BLACK

So you're another full-of-shit out-of-touch elitist who's talking out his ass.

Never even been to Oregon, I'll bet.

[HockeyMom]

12. Even if she wins the battles, she will lose the war

Older, white, woman from NY.

She is doomed either way.

[azmouse]

14. Hahahahaha

[Avalux]

15. I don't even have it in me to give you a hard time.

I'll just say - good luck with that! :hi:

[book_worm]

17. I'm not sure she will win Guam and Obama will win NC and it will be larger than her PA win

and I'd say that Indiana is 50-50.

[SoxFan]

20. A few problems with your analysis

First, in every state thus far, Obama has gained ground as the day of the vote grew closer. Even in NH, Hillary held the lead in most of the pre-primary polls.

Second, you are cherry picking. You forgot to mention the fact that Montana, South Dakota, and Oregon are also rapidly approaching, and all three states have demographics and political cultures conducive to an Obama victory.

[Wes87]

26. They follow these other primaries. Hillary will have the Hillmentum on her side.

[yourguide]

32. Hillmentum???? HAHAHAHAHA

Is that a new drug for constipation?

[rodeodance]

109. ITS called being optimistic --not bitter

[onenote]

125. its called refusing to face facts

[yourguide]

179. I cant even see the post you responded to

they are on ignore.

[onenote]

191. You should take them off ignore. They're very entertaining

in a homer simpson "d'oh" sort of way.

[DangerousRhythm]

212. Similar to Joementum...

...but with 50% more FAIL.

[bvar22]

213. Hillmentum..!

Hillmentum

:rofl:

[anigbrowl]

64. Right...how well we remember your sharp analysis of earlier contests...

Oh wait, it;s just your second week. You gotta earn credibility before you can spend it. Like Hillary's campaign, you're already bankrupt.

[Wes87]

68. I predicted she would win PA by Double digits, and that is EXACTLY what she did.

[yourguide]

71. HAHAHAHAHA 9% is NOT double digits.

sorry.

[Wes87]

75. CNN says she won 55--45...and you say we don't understand math.

[yourguide]

86. Oooookkkkkk....

So CNN has better data than the commonwealth of PA....riiiiiiiiight. :sarcasm:

[Wes87]

92. CNN's data rounds properly. You round up when its .5 and above and down when below

Hillary has 54.6, so you round up and Obama has 45.4, so you round down.

[yourguide]

108. OK, except for the fact that in the real world

Only even numbers dont count when it comes to spreads. When you actually DO the math it's 9 points. 9.2 to be exact.

[onenote]

174. so its really 60 to 50

round 55 up to 60, round 45 up to 60.

And that means...its really 100 to 100: round 60 to 100 and 50 to 100!!

Its a tie!! Thank god for rounding.

[yourguide]

180. Hahahahahaha!

Nice work!

[Oreo]

97. Whatever CNN says is the truth!

Except if Fox says different.

Take a look http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
Clinton - 54.6
Obama - 45.4

And then tell me if you'd say that the place the decimal counts as a digit.

[gabeana]

160. liar she didn't

when this is over please don't jump off a bridge cnn now says 9.3

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

209. the PA Secretary of State website says otherwise

but I can see how you would prefer what the mainstream media has decided to report.

[DWilliamsamh]

151. Unless you mean she won by 09.2%....

Wait that's TRIPLE DIGITS!! You're right she is inevitable!

[Oreo]

85. Is that something like...

JOEmentum?

Cause we all know how well that worked out

[Hippo_Tron]

154. You beat me to it...

But hey maybe if she has Hillmentum she can pull a three way tie for third place in North Carolina.

[Zodiak]

189. "Hillmentum".....oh brother!

Talk about the kiss of death to a campaign!

Oh well, her and ole holy Joe are starting to look more alike every day.

[bvar22]

214. Hillmentum..??

:rofl:

You don't get out much, do you.
Try a new hobby, or join a club or something.

[Warren DeMontague]

235. "Hillmentum"? Odd. You sound like someone.. can't quite place it..

it's like, some kind of weird deja vu.


...

You sure you only got here this month? :shrug:

[yourguide]

21. on to Mexico, and Canada, and Luxemborg, and Bosnia...

wait, no not bosnia...they shot at me there...wait no they didnt...crap

[Wes87]

24. Guam and Puerto Rico have a say...why do you want to change the rules in the middle of the game?

[yourguide]

29. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES CHANGING THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME

The rules say delegates count, now you say popular vote counts

The rules state MI and FL dont count...but now they do count...


oh shush already!

[Wes87]

34. I'm talking about Superdelegates. They should look at the popular vote, and not the pledged numbers

Thats the most fair way to get a read on the will of the peopple.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

46. In a race based on pledge numbers, they shouldn't look at the pledge numbers.

WTF?

[yourguide]

47. And looking at the vote in proper context...

without the tainted results of FL and MI

and INCLUDING the hundreds of thousands that came out to caucus and the superdelegates will see this clearly.

[Oreo]

62. Problem is...

that a majority of the superdelegates remaining are DNC members.

And like Clinton did... they chose to take away Michigan and Florida's votes. Only difference is that unlike Hillary, they're going to stand by the decision and the popular vote won't be counted in MI/FL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg

[Adelante]

25. That will be the day she wins NC

She may win Indiana, but I doubt it. Her best shot was a blowout in PA and she came up short of that. We'll see how she does, but retaking the race is about impossible.

[bowens43]

27. YOUR INSANE YOUR INSANE YOUR INSANE

[Wes87]

94. And You Are RUDE

[libbygurl]

153. Could you add punctuation or correct spelling, or finish the phrase, 'Your insane ____(noun, pls?)'

[Political Heretic]

28. Is everyone ready for none of that to matter? I know I am

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[flvegan]

30. She'll NEVER get Guam!

They don't call it Oguama fer nothin'.

[GoesTo11]

43. As Guam goes, so goes the nation. My sources in Guam say

nah, I don't have any sources in Guam. Frankly, I don't even know where it is other than in an ocean.
Sorry Guamites, but the OP about taking Guam and turning it around was a bit much.

[AtomicKitten]

31. You need to share whatever you're smoking with the rest of the class.

[Wes87]

42. Its called the truth.

[AtomicKitten]

66. Chuck Todd: "It is now impossible for Obama to lose his lead."

edited for link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0

The math is the truth, and you are simply spinning your wheels.

Spin away. :hi:

[Wes87]

79. Not true, because Pledged delegates can switch

I have spoken to at least one that is uneasy about Obama and is thinking about switching. I'm sure there are others.

[AtomicKitten]

84. keep praying for that coup d'etat that will never happen

[Oreo]

113. Care to share their name?

[MattBaggins]

142. Sure you have

Could you give us a link so we verify your claim?

[4_Legs_Good]

35. Agreed on NC, inasmuch as if he only wins by 9 it'll be very similar to HRC's 9 pt win in PA

Both states are kinda taylor made for the candidate. Obama never had a chance to win in PA and Clinton doesn't have a prayer in NC. If she can keep him under double digits, it'll be a victory for her, just like it was a victory for him keeping her under double digits in Pennsylvania.

Fun fun fun!

David

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

205. the only victory for her is if she wins at 65% for each and every contest ahead

and that cannot happen.

[kentuck]

36. NC would be the toughest task...

Considering that 22% of registered voters are black voters and Obama has been getting over 90% of the black vote in most of the races. Hillary would have to get 65-70% of the white vote to win. Considering that NC has more Rush Limbaugh listeners than PA (just a hunch :-)), like SC, there are more people that do not care for Hillary in the South, and this would make it very difficult for her...

[gcomeau]

38. "if he cannot win there, where can he win? "

Ummm...

Iowa
South Carolina
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Idaho
Illinois
Kansas
Minnesota
Missouri
North Dakota
Utah
Louisiana
Nebraska
Washington
Maine
D.C.
Maryland
Virginia
Hawaii
Wisconsin
Vermont
U.S. Virgin Islands
Wyoming
Mississippi.

There you go. Glad to be of service. (NC will be added to that list by the way)

[bigwillq]

39. A simple "I think you are wrong"

"and here's why....." is all that's needed to respond to this thread.

**You*** don't need to respond as viciously as some have, including one who said something about snorting drain cleaner, on this thread. That's just sick.

[Oreo]

40. .

You my friend are crazy

[Lannigan]

44. Kick to Wes

for his enthusiasm & putting himself out there!

Glad you're on Hill's side.

[Name removed]

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

48. She'll win Guam and Indiana, but that still leaves her way way way behind.

Especially because she wants to argue that she wins the states that matter and Indiana just might be the reddest state in the union and Guam can't vote in the GE.

[jackson_dem]

231. West Virginia will be an example of a state she flips and perhaps Kentucky

The latest KY poll has her down only 2 points, within the margin of error, of McSame in Kentucky.

[Raffi Ella]

49. GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!

[Wes87]

55. That sign is right...She is the SMART CHOICE

[Raffi Ella]

58. I agree!

Welcome to D.U. :toast:

[yourguide]

69. She's the SMART CHOICE for people that don't understand math, you mean.

[Wes87]

72. More people have voted for Hillary than Anybody else in the Primaries. So what are you saying?

[Oreo]

101. Can you lay out those numbers for me?

That LIE doesn't include the caucus states.

[reggie the dog]

110. no

more people have voted for Obama so far in the primaries, he still leads in the popular vote.

[yourguide]

116. Yes if you include the vote in Michigan where OBAMA wasnt on the ballot...

Stop with the lies.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

206. she's the beneficiary of "No Child Left Behind"

but how did the idiocy impact so many "talking heads" on tee vee?

Oh, thats right, they know the truth, but it doesn't pay as well as
milking this golden goose for as long as they can.

[rodeodance]

107. YES, --GREAT SIGN: HILLARY, THE SMART CHOICE.

[kevinbgoode]

50. I think the time for Hillary to do her "yes we will" was sometime

back before Super Tuesday. . .she said so herself. Now why didn't she close the deal on schedule? Could it be that her negatives, even among Democrats, are so high that she cannot win a simple majority of elected delegates?

Her failure to reduce her negatives during the campaign is what has done her in. . .

[iamthebandfanman]

53. it wont matter

get over it.


i only feel bad for the people who keep giving her money.

that could be used on the general election, not to back her already failed race.

[uponit7771]

56. I thought it was yes SHE will!?!?!

[DefenseLawyer]

57. You forgot Poland. n/t

[Danger Mouse]

67. She will not win North Carolina, and Indiana could go to Obama.

Let's not shit ourselves.

[cjsmom44]

76. RE: OH REALLY

LIKE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ?

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON THIS THING....

[cali]

80. No you won't. except in your alternate hillyworld

she doesn't stand a chance of winning NC and she won't win the popular vote. SDs have flooded to Obama in the past 3 months and starved hilly. There is no evidence in any poll that people are starting to have doubts about Obama or that hilly has any momentum coming out of PA. He got 92% of the black vote in PA and she can't possibly eat into the black vote after her campaign's race baiting.

Get a fork. hilly's done.

[Wes87]

88. If anybody has been race-baiting, its Jesse Jackson Jr intimidating black Hillary supporters

SHAME ON HIM

[cali]

103. Shame on hilly and billy for their disgusting race baiting

she's done, dear.

[Wes87]

106. They have done nothing of the sorts.

[cjsmom44]

143. RE: OH PLEASE

YOU ARE TOTAL DENIAL...

[Tarheel_Dem]

226. She certainly is DONE in the AA community in NC....

and all those black SD's who have hitched their wagons to her appalling campaign will find it very difficult to go back to their districts and find the support they once had. NC is out of reach for Hillary, as I am on the ground here everyday. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Most black people I run into these days can't stand to look at any of the Clintons now. The overwhelming majority say they reflexively reach for the remote, just like when Bush comes on the teevee. Bill & Hill have trashed the goodwill they so painstakingly nurtured in the 90's. And Maya Angelou can write poems until the cows come home, it won't change a thing.

[zabet]

81. k and r

:hi:

[Milo_Bloom]

82. Even if she did, she wouldn't be the nominee.. its already over.

[smiley_glad_hands]

87. LOL. There is no way she wins without cheating, like counting MI and Fl. eom

[rodeodance]

93. rec AND GO hILLARY

[sniffa]

95. *snort*

:rofl:

If a candidate can't win the Guam primary, they can't win the GE.

[Wes87]

98. And the Sexist returns to shit on Guam some more.

[yourguide]

118. how is the poster making fun of guam and all 4 delegates sexist?

[MadBadger]

132. NUTJOB

[TahitiNut]

136. Please.... don't say "nut" or "nutjob" as though it's a Bad Thing.

That's demeaning to us nuts and the person to whom it's addressed doesn't merit the compliment.

This has been a public service post on behalf of the International Adhocracy of Fruits and Nuts, DU Chapter.

[Cameron27]

96. Welcome to DU Wes,

and I LOVE saying that, ;)

K&R

[Wes87]

99. thanks!

[Leftist Agitator]

100. I have never seen a more delusional post in my entire life.

For that alone, I congratulate you.

Enjoy the twenty-plus point Obama victory in North Carolina.

[kenny blankenship]

104. If only there were a way to convert neurosis into electrity

we'd have this Peak Oil thing licked!

[Leftist Agitator]

148. Ain't that the truth.

This reminds me of jlake's Wisconsin thread.

[kenny blankenship]

102. Always ready for a laugh

[K8-EEE]

105. No you won't!

Even if she DID somehow get the popular vote, the nom is by delegates and she can't do it.

Because she already lost the delegate count -- the scenario would have to be WILD, like Obama gets under 15% in all the remaining races.

That's just million to one odds, seems to me....

[Thrill]

112. I live in NC. She doesn't have a chance in hell to win here

[EFerrari]

114. She's relying on GUAM?

:rofl:

[msallied]

120. So much for the argument

that she only wins the states that matter. LMAO!

[dbmk]

138. I actually feel a little sorry for Guam

Everyone keeps saying that NC and IN is next. If you were to believe the media its as if it doen't exist. Must be a bit downputting for them.

[Hippo_Tron]

156. Hey Guam is a big state

Up is down, left is right, war is peace, oh forget it...

[kenny blankenship]

168. More to the point, they have a B-52 base there

and the best way to hold somebody hostage, which is pretty much the relationship now between Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, is to threaten to "obliterate" them.

First she takes Guam, then she burns down Denver, and then she nukes Tehran.

[Fox Mulder]

115. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TexasObserver]

122. Another math failure. I blame No Child Left Behind.

It's simple math, which means all but the simple can do it.

[onenote]

123. Her PA 'bump'?

Is that like the 'bump' she got in PA from Ohio. Oh wait, she lost ground in PA after winning Ohio. Her lead shrunk.

Bumpedy bump.

[jackson_dem]

232. No, her lead expanded. Obama had closed to withi 4-6 in PA before OH and TX

He then fell back to 16-17 and then spent $16 million on travel and ads alone to gain a few points and then flat line for the final three weeks.

[MattBaggins]

129. I'm just so happy that

this race isn't about anything else but race. His black vote. Her white vote.

I guess we can all rejoice that we have enough white vote in this country to keep that... Oh wait nevermind.

Just wonderful to see this come down to how much more racial division we can play off of. Let's see if we can tweak the Wright thing and just peal a few more votes here and there. It's so refreshing to see us finally shed any vestments we once had separating us from the Republicans. It is official we now truly have the Republocrat parties.

[jackson_dem]

233. Race wasn't an issue until Obama divided us by race for SC

[dbmk]

135. I think the OP is right

Given Obamas history of loosing voters once he starts campaigning in states, NC should be a lock for Hillary.

[Raine]

137. In your dreams

:boring: :rofl:

[chitty]

139. Welcome to...............

Fantasy Island

[iamahaingttta]

141. Yeah... Whatever!

Dumbest thread of the day.

[XemaSab]

145. Taylor Made?

Any relative of Taylor Marsh? :shrug:

[onenote]

146. yes. remember the old saying: As goes Guam, so goes the Nation.

I remember it like it was yesterday. The fate of the nomination hung in the balance. And then came word, Guam had gone for John Kerry. All doubt was cast aside. We had our nominee!!

Oh wait, its "As goes Maine, so goes the Nation". And, let me think, who won the Maine Caucuses?

Nevermind.

[racaulk]

149. ***HMMM...WHY DO YOU SEEM SO FAMILIAR TO ME?***

[PBS Poll-435]

178. Ok...that was kinda funny.

And a GREAT shot of my beloved Crater Lake.

[Warren DeMontague]

237. Yeah.

My thoughts, exactly.

[lojasmo]

152. NC? You're nuts.

Indiana will likely be a tie. Certainly not enough to increase her delegate count or appreciable gain in popular vote count.

[libbygurl]

157. K & R. nt

[wisteria]

163. Obama is already our nomnee. Clinton needs to get out for the good of our party.

We should all be backing and supporting Senator Obama against the current onslaught from the right.

It is - Obama vs McCain no if ands or buts.

[New Dawn]

164. The twisted fantasies of a DLC hack.

[Indenturedebtor]

165. You go right ahead and help her get out of debt

Before she drops out. It's over. Sorry, you fought a good fight. She didn't, though she did her best to ruin our Nominee's chances in the GE with her Rovian BS.

[OnionPatch]

167. If Pennsylvania Democrats won't vote for Obama over McCain

then they aren't really Democrats at all, are they? In fact, I would call them racists. There is no other reason why these "Democrats" wouldn't vote for a perfectly good Democratic nominee. This idea that because Hillary won Pennsylvania in the primary that Obama can't win it in the GE is just a huge pile of steaming BS, and you know it. Aren't you ashamed of pushing such propaganda?

[bluetrain]

200. A lot of people think Obama is too inexperienced for the job. Their leaning toward McCain over Obama

isn't racist. It may be stupid, but the motivation for some is that the guy seems too green not too black.

[OnionPatch]

224. But if they would actually vote for McCain, are they truly Democrats?

I really don't think so. I'd like to meet one of these "Democrats" who would vote for McCain rather than Obama. Show me one and I'm 90% sure I can show you a racist.

Seriously, Obama is bringing in independents and new voters. I don't think we need these half-assed Democrats who are probably racists and I certainly am not ready to pander to them.

[Tarheel_Dem]

227. Thank you Onion....and if the party decides that it's going to cater

to the wishes of the racist wing of the party....I'm out. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'll switch to Independent. That way I get to participate in either party's primary, but I will no longer be a Dem if we're held hostage by racists.

[jackson_dem]

234. 11% of Dems voted for Bush each time. 24% voted for Reagan in 84'

As to rethugs, 13% voted for Clinton in 96', 8% for Gore, and 6% for Kerry. Crossover voting has always existed.

[OnionPatch]

241. I just don't think we should base our choices on them.

Especially if a lot of them are likely racists, and having grown up in that area of the country, I believe a lot of them are. They aren't the true base of our party. I don't know why we would worry about them when Obama is bringing in plenty of independents and moderates in other areas.

[ScarletSniper]

170. I bookmarked this thread..gonna serve it back to you with salt and pepper..lol

[Little Star]

171. I'm ready! GO Hillary!!!! k&r

[Bensthename]

172. BOOOOO,,, HISS, HISSS,,, BOOOOOO..

:puke:

[kikiek]

175. Yes We WIll! Great enthusiasm! K&R

[sueragingroz]

176. K & R

[PoliticalAmazon]

184. Obama has a conference call tonight for phonebankers. Did Hillary? n/t

[kwenu]

190. Sorry, the face of this race has already been carved in stone.

I'll give you a solid C for effort though.

[RBInMaine]

195. Guam's a caucus state and Indiana is open. Think again.

[RBInMaine]

196. PA bump? Keep dreaming. "YES WE WILL?" Hm, you even have to steal Obama's lines?

[dailykoff]

197. A bold new direction in self-delusion.

Congratulations. :crazy:

[PseudoIntellect]

198. New poll has her down by 1 in IN. Don't guarantee a victory for her there.

Show me any recent poll with Hillary within 8% of Obama in NC. Not happening.

Popular vote is a non-issue right now, especially if you're talking about Puerto Rico. The contest for delegates has almost been decided. Tell me; do you think Hillary will seriously be ahead after winning NC, IN, and Guam? She needs to win the rest of the races 60/40 and then get a hefty majority of superdelegates.

[saltpoint]

202. She's not going to "squeak by" in North Carolina.

I think she's going to be steamrolled in North Carolina.

Also, she is not going to be the nominee.

[Tarheel_Dem]

228. Hi OC....

I guess I can't blame the OP for trying to build on some perceived "momentum" coming out of PA, but really, weren't we told before PA that Hillary needed a blowout? And when she won by 9.3, the media narrative somehow changed to this single digit win being great for Hillary? We all know the media has a stake in the continuation of this farce, but why are her supporters buying into it?

[saltpoint]

230. Hey there, Tarheel_Dem -- how are you, and a happy weekend in advance,

too.

Good question. I have no idea. Agree with you completely on the media. That's their gig and they are going to milk that cow for all it's worth.

Those media folks can change a political narrative at the drop of a hat.

The pro-Clinton people on a lot of the blogs are becoming strident and shrill -- both boys and girls -- and it really shrinks the rationale for her candidacy from its already-narrowed state.

I think she's toast.

[against all enemies]

203. Dream on, It's over Johnny.

[HamdenRice]

204. I know I'm not supposed to point this out but: Member since April 15,2008 ???

And I thought Hillary's campaign was running out of money. Could you please tell your co-workers and your boss that this kind of spam is not affecting public opinion on DU or elsewhere.

[taterguy]

207. Time to put an end to this shit

I'll just post this photo which is generally quite effective at killing threads

[MADem]

210. Yes, SHE will, and Yes, WE will! nt

[Medusa]

211. And IF she's the nomine. . . . guess what? She LOSES

the general election. But it will accomplish two things-one, we'll never have to hear from her again and secondly, we won't have to put up with her delusinal enablers.

[mistertrickster]

216. I'll bet you a 100 dollar contribution to DemUnderground that Obama is the nominee.

Yeah . . . that quieted Wes right down, didin't it . . .

[Lucky 13]

217. Delusional

[SeaLyons]

218. The rest of the primaries belong to Hillary...

The next President of the United States!!

GO HILLARY!!!

YES SHE WILL

YES SHE WILL

YES SHE WILL

[SeaLyons]

219. K&R

Love the post. Glad to welcome a Hillary supporter to DU.

[Edgewater_Joe]

220. HILL! WANTS! MCSAME! HILL! WANTS! MCSAME!

You've LOST.

Stop dividing the party.

[zulchzulu]

221. Guam? Hehehe! NC is definitely Obama by 8-10% IN is Obama by 3-5%

Either way, it's IMPOSSIBLE for Hillary to get enough delegates at this point to go past Obama. Check your handbook. The delegates are what nominate the nominee.

If you want Hillary to win, do what you can. Nobody's stopping you.

[Arugula Latte]

223. Yeeeeaaaah, No.

[stevenleser]

225. Official "Denial isnt just a river in Egypt!" *PLONK*!

[L0oniX]

229. LOL ...I won't hold my breath for it This post is just psychobabble.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[SouthAmerica]

238. The Ultimate Democratic Party candidate in 2008 is: The Real Thing

April 26, 2008

SouthAmerica: The Bill Moyers interview with Rev. Wright it was very interesting.

But at the end of the day enough damage has been done to both candidates that are irreversible by November 2008.

If the Democratic Party wants to win in November 2008 then the party elders should read the following info on this forum:

Al Gore - Democratic Party candidate in 2008.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74835&perpage=6&pagenumber=102

[B Calm]

239. She needs to quit campaigning for 2012 and drop out now!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

242. Will Hilly obliterate mighty Guam if it fails to vote for her?

[WeDidIt]

243. Barack Obama requires less than 43% of the delegates

in all races between now and May 20 to win.

That's mathematical reality. Clinton could win with 14% blowouts in every contest and Obama still wins.

[shayes51]

244. Sounds good to me!