Vince Foster might save America from Hillary

[XemaSab]

The emergence of Hillary Clinton as a potential candidate for president is an indication of how desperate Democrats are becoming. Early in the 1992 election, when President George Herbert Walker Bush looked invulnerable, serious Democrat challengers went fishing, and Bill Clinton won the White House despite the handicap of Al Gore.

We can all agree that, for better or worse, Bill would not have won without the help of Hillary. Now, with another George Bush heading the popularity polls, pollsters are placing the junior senator from New York ahead of a pack that includes Sens. Evan Bayh and John Kerry, Gov. Gray Davis and the inevitable Kennedy collection.

There is even talk of a Bill Clinton scheme to have Hillary as a vice-presidential candidate in 2004, willing to run with either Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri or Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Al Gore isn't a likely candidate because not even Democrats like a sure loser on the ballot.

(lengthy snip)

Will she ever get back into the White House? Only the American voter has the power to determine that. In the meantime, we continue to take note of her shenanigans, as well as those of her husband. And we note that while Vince Foster's family and friends may still mourn him, his death — and the scandal that still clings to Hillary — may save the country from the mistake of her campaigning for the presidency.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_80854.html

This article is a tour of ALL the smears.... Smears I'd forgotten, smears I'd like to forget, smears I never even heard before....

:popcorn:

(Oh, and on edit: In case you're not getting it, NO, I don't believe ANY of this, but this is what Scaife's paper wrote about Hillary only a couple years back. Best friends forever? Don't count on it.)

[livetohike]

1. This is Scaife's paper writing this!

I thought they were buddies now :shrug:.

[cali]

2. why post this shit?

[DJ13]

4. Well it was from a paper ran by a new Clinton supporter

That kinda makes it fair game.

[XemaSab]

5. I wrote a comment on edit

This is Scaife's paper publishing this garbage.

[grantcart]

27. because some people may not see how incredibly disheartening it is for

Hillary to embrace him now.

[cliffordu]

28. And what kind of TERRIBLE judgement she showed

rolling into the sack with that prick.

Breathtaking shortsightedness on her part.

[jefferson_dem]

35. ...

:popcorn:

[Avalux]

3. Interesting - coming from Scaife's paper, lol.

My Dad always jokes that Hillary had Vince Foster killed. He's not being serious (at least I don't think he is), but he certainly remembers the mess surrounding that.

[DefenseLawyer]

6. Yeah Scaife endorses her now.

And she is happy to accept. Go figure

[XemaSab]

12. In Pennsylvania's Democrat primary for president: Vote for Clinton

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_563322.html

[Justitia]

7. Lemme put on my Hillary supporter cap: "You know the GOP will bring this up in November!" -eom

[JVS]

9. Best to get it over with now. Let's talk about it on TV for the next 2 weeks.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

8. Is this Scaife's newspaper ? n/t

[XemaSab]

10. Yes

n/t

[Justitia]

11. Yup, Hillary's new BFF, endorser and lunch date. -eom

[flor de jasmim]

13. Hillary herself said it's fair game:

that is, she said that anything out in the public sphere is fair game (she was, of course, referring to anything on Obama, but hey...)

Now that is not an attitude I normally subscribe to, but given her pleased acceptance of this paper's (and its editor's) support, this is relevant information.

[XemaSab]

14. Earlier I was musing about how naive she still is, after all this...

Her claim is that we've been through her baggage, but it seems like most of her supposed "baggage" is just garbage that people like Scaife made up. She was the original swiftboating victim, and it was very effective at putting the idea into popular culture that the Clintons are totally corrupt. (Full disclosure: I think they're sort of corrupt, and they're bullies, but having people killed? No. And their supposed "scandals" are nothing in comparison to the BFEE.) But back to my original point: does she seriously think that these people won't just make up new ugly lies about her? :shrug:

[AntiFascist]

15. Scaife was being very deceptive...

the real intrigue is not who killed Vince Foster, but why he became depressed. It seems to revolve around PROMIS software, something the status quo would prefer to be kept swept under the rug along with Iran/Contra and BCCI.

[boppers]

32. PROMIS swept under the rug? Huh.

I'm a geek, and I thought it was pretty cut and dry.

A longish recap:
1. A software company makes a system with LINKS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS point to additional information about "links that look like this".
2. It's fabulously successful, if success is defined by "rapid deployment industry wide, without paying exorbitant per-seat costs to the developers". Everybody sees the potential, but doesn't want to pay for it.
3. Trying to get licenses cleaned up, and everybody's links working together, causes a great deal of employment for lawyers and government IT staff and consultants.
4. In the meantime, some Oregonian (Ward Cunningham) invents a similar, web-based, system, where "LinksThatLookLikeThis" point to additional information about "links that look like this". He calls it 'WikiWiki', because it's a quick (wikiwiki in Hawaiian) way of building out lots of documents.
5. Some bored futures trader decides to use it for a software project, and in the process, the coding team changes it so <[Links That Look Like This>] (two square brackets) now point to additional information about "links that look like this". Oh, and he decides to try using it on an encyclopedia.
6. 30 years, and an insane amount of money on lawyers and consultants, later, PROMIS gets the shaft for the latest revision of what is now known as "mediawiki", a free piece of software, that anybody can download and use. The largest publicly available knowledge index is currently over 2.5 million english documents, and is one of the world's top-ten websites. The numbers on the private installs are not discussed.

Short version: Government refuses to pay for a simple idea, wastes lots of money on it, decides to use the free version of recreating the same general idea.... after much wailing and gnashing.


Oh, and then the conspiracy buffs freak out about the software. Mustn't forget that part.

[guyanakoolaid]

33. PROMIS was for more than linking disparate systems - it allowed for the vast accumulation of data,

both bank transactions, terrorist movements, utilities usage...

I don't know if I believe all the conspiracy stuff, but some of it is true. It was used by our government to monitor bank accounts worldwide, and most likely steal money.

[boppers]

37. That's the beauty of a simple idea:

<[Bank transaction template:191 19191 834928901>] is a bank transaction. Any future links can point to it.

<[Dodi Fayed leaves the UK>] is a movement.

It's self organizing knowledge.

Though, FWIW, the actual bank-transaction crap is Reagan-era accounting/reporting of SWIFT, under the guise of monitoring "laundering drug money". Utilities usage is another beast to detect indoor "hot houses".

Both have their roots in the government trying to "protect the people".

[AntiFascist]

36. The conspiracy buffs "freak out" because...

versions of this software were used in backend banking systems, nationwide during the BCCI and Savings & Loan scams, with evidence that it is used for money laundering activities. The system also happens to be tied in with international intelligence sharing, not only with allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia, but also Russia. Recent evidence further implicates the sharing of nuclear technology. Any wonder why Iran is suddenly coming up to speed on nuclear technology?

[crankychatter]

16. I had a rule in 2000 and 2004... now Obama has set the bar for me again

I'm tempted this time...

BUT

the rule is

NEVER REPEAT RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS AGAINST A CANDIDATE YOU MAY END UP CAMPAIGNING FOR... WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT.

I supported Bill Clinton vigorously while fully cognizant of the fact that he was a scoundrel and a corporatist.

I will have more difficulty this time... based upon Dem complicity in the lead up to World War Three...

Still... Obama has better judgment than I do.

If I were you, and I'm not... I'd pull this post.

[XemaSab]

17. The point here is not to parrot RW talking points

(which I think Hillary herself is guilty of).

The point is to demonstrate that she has embraced her own enemies in her hunger for the nomination.

[crankychatter]

20. true dat

she has

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

18. Quite a long tour down nightmare lane...Vetted or not, this stuff will come back up...

[XemaSab]

19. Just like watching a dog eat grass...

:rofl:

[bhikkhu]

24. Fully vetted is the preferred term, I believe.

Not that I ever thought vetting mattered - if they don't have shit on you, they make shit up. And fake shit works just as good as real shit, history has proven. That one can read the OP and not have a clue what shit is real and what shit is fake only proves the point: it doesn't matter. The "fully vetted" argument is shit.

(Note - I don't actually use such language, but now and then it illustrates points well).

[XemaSab]

21. kick

n/t

[XemaSab]

22. kick

n/t

[anonymous171]

23. This is the elephant in the room.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. Guess it's ok to post RW crap when it's about Clinton.... what hypocrisy.

bunch of people rec'ing it and approving. This place is really becoming a cessspool.

[anonymous171]

26. To quote Clinton supporters "It's better that we do this now since the GOP will do it in the fall"

[MagickMuffin]

29. As Terence McAuliffe "Anything that is out there IS FAIR GAME"

I think since Hillary has accepted Scaife's endorsement even tho this is the rubbish he has let his paper publish, then I think it is a necessary evil, to look at what has been printed in the past about her.

Have you criticized Clinton supporters who post crap from RW sources that attack Obama?.?.?

Do you defend Obama attacks from those DUers?.?.?

I have seen quite a lot RW smears against Obama from Clinton supporters. Fox is a favorite among others.

APRIL 21, 2008 PA ELECTION PRIMARY EVE

OLBERMANN: And we thought—or maybe I‘m just speaking for myself—I don‘t know—that one of the few utterly unforgivable individuals in that entire equation was Richard Mellon Scaife, who, among other things, is the publisher of “The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.”

(LAUGHTER)

OLBERMANN: And, I mean, seriously, to some degree, Senator, I quit this job the first time around because of Richard Mellon Scaife and people like him.

And I realize you have a primary to win. But why on earth did you meet with Richard Mellon Scaife, and why did you accept, or at least not reject, his endorsement of you over the weekend?

CLINTON: Well, Keith, nobody was more surprised than I when I was invited to the editorial board. And I‘m very open to meeting. And, frankly, I was kind of curious. I had only met the gentleman once in my life in a receiving line just in a matter of seconds.

Obviously, I was on the receiving end of quite a bit of his activities during the ‘90s, much to everyone‘s dismay, most certainly mine. But I was curious. And he has a lot of interesting people who write for that paper and work for him. And it was a fascinating discussion, a lot of give and take. They certainly don‘t agree with me on many of my positions.

And I was dumbfounded, both to have been invited, and then to have been endorsed. But I do believe in redemption, Keith. I believe in deathbed conversions. And I think it‘s possible for anyone to see the error of their ways. So, I‘m bringing people together as we speak.

Anyone who doubts my ability to bridge the most incredible chasms can point to those recent events.

So, don't worry Hillary has FORGIVEN them.

[datopbanana]

34. McAuliffe should be fired. If your client's last name is Clinton and you can't win it for her..

you got to go.

[Eurobabe]

30. That is a nasty article, but why is Richie now supporting Hillary?

Strange bedfellows indeed.

[DerekJ]

31. Oh, The irony :)