That damn Bill Moyers, playing that race card!

[bigtree]

. . .under the bus!


Wright offering fresh fodder to Obama critics in an interview to be broadcast Friday on "Bill Moyers' Journal :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES ...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/913018,CST-NWS-sweet24.article

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Nothing wrong in that article. Your point?

[bigtree]

8. he's just saying what he has to say as a politician

[GarbagemanLB]

9. He said that Obama never talked politics with him.

[bigtree]

13. that's at odds with Obama's assertion that he was assured by the pastor about his statements

. . . that he disavowed them. Politics never came up?

[GarbagemanLB]

17. There is no contradiction.

[GoldieAZ49]

16. Which is inconsistent, so Obama lied?

January 21, 2007

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

...

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics change him, but he also encouraged Obama, win or lose.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?ctrack=1&cset=true&page=2&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

[PBS Poll-435]

2. Why would they risk a real gaffe right now?

Guam is in 9 days.

:)

[NewHampshireDem]

3. Yes, another jewel from the unbaised Lynn Sweet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-sweet

:rofl:

On Edit:

I'm sure this is your favorite part:

O'Reilly, chatting with Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. on his show Wednesday night, said he was "flabbergasted" that Wright just does not "take a vacation." When O'Reilly is right, he's right.

[bigtree]

5. damn her for reporting Wright's words

[NewHampshireDem]

46. 'Reporting Wright's words"

Are you really that stupid, or is it all an act?

She's not reporting anything. She's speculating that Wright's words are going to create another controversy--one which she herself is attempting to manufacture.

But, the saddest part of this whole thing is that you don't understand the difference between reporting and commenting. Step away from Fox News now--it's damaging your brain.

[bigtree]

47. I don't really care about the article. I liked the title. The interview's the thing

The really sad part is how you missed my point by reaching to insult me. Folks here are no more wrong in discussing Wright than Moyers is in interviewing him.

And, Sweet should be allowed to have her say as well without being labeled as some cretin for merely raising the issues behind what Wright said in that interview and beyond and commenting on them. How she characterizes those words is certainly fair game for criticism. But I really don't care what she says. My mind is made up about Obama and Wright.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. At this point, Rev. Wright could run naked through the street, screaming 'God Damn America'!!

And they couldn't possibly have more fodder to pastorbate to.

[LSparkle]

22. "Pastorbate" -- LOL! Good one!

[Leopolds Ghost]

27. DU has just coined a new word. Let's hope its usage spreads n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. It's been around the internets for a few weeks already.

But I agree it needs to be spread further.

[redqueen]

6. What? How is talking to him "playing the race card"?

[bigtree]

11. he's asking questions

that's been fodder for attacks from the Obama faithful before.

[redqueen]

12. Um. Okay. So since when do Obama supporters disown people?

Isn't the whole "dead to me now" thing sort of the other camp's modus operandi?

[bigtree]

15. wait for it.

[redqueen]

18. All righty... but I remember one of the last times this happened.

Some Clinton supporter kept trying to do a countdown... "so and so goes under the bus in 3... 2... 1..." and it never happened.

It was really a very sad display.

[bigtree]

19. alright, no countdown

If I'm wrong on that point I'll admit it (maybe not wasting a post to do so)

[redqueen]

20. Well there have been several threads about Wright's being on Moyers' show.

So... maybe there's one of those posts in one of those threads?

I wouldn't expect there are any... but who knows?

[Straight Shooter]

23. Joe Wilson.

I never saw anyone so thoroughly trashed and dragged through the mud and slimed and lambasted as Joe Wilson was by the O supporters.

[redqueen]

One person? Good job.

Shall I make a list of all the people who've been trashed by Clinton's supporters for either not supporting or criticizing Hillary?

The scales are far from balanced on this.

[Straight Shooter]

33. More than one.

Joe Wilson just happens to be the person whose denigration rankles me the most.

Don't pick my brain for all the names; I'm so inured to the BS on DU that it's become so much flotsam not worthy of attention anymore.

[redqueen]

34. I never intended to pick your brain. It doesn't matter.

Because like I said... the scales are far from balanced.

However many names you could find (and I know there's more... I remember at least one or two myself)... the list of people Hillary's supporters have "thrown under the bus" would be longer. It's not something that I think is good, but it's silly for Hillary's supporters to act as if this is something that they're innocent of, or even only equally guilty of.

[Straight Shooter]

36. I never said Hillary's supporters act as if this is something they're innocent of

I'm well aware of the egregious behavior displayed on both sides of the aisle. I'm not going to rend my garments over it. This is GDP, after all. You really don't know why many of the posters act/post as they do.

[redqueen]

37. No point rending anything... this place is not to be taken seriously.

Or... rather... the parts worth taking seriously are very few and far between.

But when an OP starts out with "... under the bus!"... I think that's rather ironic, considering those scales I was mentioning.

[Straight Shooter]

38. I see your point. But the OP is by bigtree

bigtree usually has her/his tongue firmly planted in cheek with such comments :D

[redqueen]

40. Hehehe...

good point. :)

[Straight Shooter]

41. .

:hi:

[burythehatchet]

7. Excessive pastorbation leads to blisters and excessive cackling.

[Mags]

31. thanks for the warning,guess you have had a lot of experience.

[Kurovski]

44. That makes no sense, but you get an "A" for effort.

[GoldieAZ49]

10. LOL

from the article sited:

O'Reilly, chatting with Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. on his show Wednesday night, said he was "flabbergasted" that Wright just does not "take a vacation." When O'Reilly is right, he's right.

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. Do you normally agree with O'Reilly or feel he's only right some of the time? n/t

[Mags]

14. If you can believe the Rev. he says that BO is playing politics

by distancing him self from the Rev. Wow, I would have never guessed it. I know, I'm being racist.

[GoldieAZ49]

yes they seem to be in agreement

then Obama goes and does what he has to do to be a politician

[Mags]

28. and he goes and damns America.

[LSparkle]

21. I've said FOREVER that's who Wright ought to talk to!

I have great respect for Bill Moyers -- I COMPLETELY disagree that this
interview will provide more "fodder for Obama critics." If anything, this
will give Wright the PERFECT platform for clearing his name, explaining
who he is. Excellent choice of venue.

[GoldieAZ49]

25. They are playing clips in the cable news on MSNBC

probably FNC and CNN too

see what you think

[LSparkle]

35. what's wrong with admitting Obama is a POLITICIAN?

My God, do people REALLY believe the guy is a saint?

He's not, he's never claimed to be ... He CANNOT be 100%
genuine -- NO POLITICIAN can -- all we can do is try and
vote for the person who's sold out the LEAST.

[GoldieAZ49]

39. Watch for the clips and what he says

it airs tomorrow you will probably see clips all over

[LSparkle]

42. I've already seen several on MSNBC and none bother me

I'm not expecting Obama to be a saint, though, and if
his other supporters are surprised to hear Wright's words,
then I think they've been expecting too much.

[blogslut]

24. I expect Moyers will give a fair interview of the Reverend

Unlike the MSM weasels. I imagine it will be a thoughtful piece on a good man - devoid of gotcha.

I look forward to Mr. Moyer's interview with Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

As for Chicago newspapers, meh. I am not familiar with which ones lean left or lean right, but from what I've read, most of them have been slanted during this primary season.

[Cali_Democrat]

26. Hide thread in 3.....2......1

[Mags]

32. send off!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SwampG8r]

43. aw tree

and ive been so proud of you lately for taking a higher road
you had a nice run of very positive threads where you didnt play out any of the silliness that is serving as this election cycles background music
ive even replyed about them and thanked you for keeping things moving positively
even tho my disdain for hillary is immeasurable
i really thought you were going to be one of her real supporters
the ones who play her positives,whatever you may believe them to be,and make their case FOR her and NOT against him

i gotta say im a little disappointed
:blush:

[bigtree]

45. so Moyers can bring the issue up and others can't without being scorned?

that's the point of this post. Here's Moyers raising the issue, now, by giving Wright this platform, when any similar effort to even discuss the issue has been met with a response much like yours. I've said repeatedly that Obama clearly doesn't share the views of Wright, and that's all that should really matter to voters. That shouldn't preclude any discussion of Wright's statements and Obama's response to questions about those statements. That's the exact standard Hillary Clinton has been held to by Obama himself on the stump.

So, enough with the smear of something untoward by just raising the issue of Obama's association with Wright. My raising of the Moyers' interview (and other's raising of Wright's statements in the interview) is no more of a 'low road' than Moyers took in staging the interview itself.