The Clintons have finally revealed the Heart of their argument..."Obama is Black"

[JackORoses]

After all the charades fall away, this is the direct argument they are making now to the Superdelegates and the Public at large.

It's all Tweety and the other Bobbleheads can bloviate about.

"Can a black man win?
Is he losing whites because he's black?
Is race an issue?
Are there alot of racists in this country?
Can a Black Man Win?!?!"

aaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!

Fuck these people.
And SuperFuck the Clintons!!!

They have proven themselves the lowest of the low.
They thrive upon division.
They must be exorcised from this Party!

[crankychatter]

1. dupe delete

kicked

[crankychatter]

2. Super-fuck? Super fuck the Super D's that buy this Superficial argument.

hear hear

k/r

Now I will steal that word and pretend I thought it up.

:-)

[Bensthename]

3. Being black is an issue when tweety and gang keep saying and asking if it is..

I hear ya, I get pissed when they even bring the question up..

[blm]

4. They shame us all as a party and every American who fought for civil rights.

Hell - at this point they are shaming the human race. Bushes and Clintons - America's curse.

[PoliticalAmazon]

ITA! I am also disgusted with the DNC and other Dem Party leaders...

...who have sat silently and allowed this to occur without a fucking peep.

By their silence, they are implying that they agree with the racist Clintons. They are telling millions of African-Americans: "Sorry, you are not electable." Because of their race, they are not electable.

There was another thread here yesterday that said if the Clintons throw blacks under the bus, that the poster was climbing down under the bus, too.

When I read that, I realized again how proud I am of being part of the Obama community. Every time I talk to someone with an Obama sticker on their car, or every time I see the crowds at OBama's speeches, I am filled with pride for our group.

I think, by their silence, the DNC and Dem leadership are telling African-Americans that they can fetch and carry for white candidates by voting for them, but they themselves will never be one of the candidates.

If I was an African-American, I would leave the Democratic Party. And if African-Americans do it as an exodus, I will join them. And I hope you all will, too.

Either we are together on this bus ride or we're not. Either we've left behind the concept that only whites can sit at the front of the bus, or not.

If the Dem Party is still condoning this blatant racism, then I don't want to be on their bus, because it is a bus going back in time to the bigotry and divisiveness of Jim Crow laws.

[Bensthename]

5. Do you have a link of Clinton trying to persuade supers with this argument?

[Dr Fate]

10. If race-baiting is good enough for "working class" swing voters, then it must be good enough for SDs

n/t

[Bensthename]

30. And Hillary trying to convince these smart supers that she is winning the popular vote

is laughable. These are the most political people in America. They wont fall for her logic that she won the PA and FL vote. She may be able to dupe some on line contributers though.

[PoliticalAmazon]

61. I call it "bigot pandering." n/t

[Dr Fate]

65. And if you think of certain "working class" folks as bigots, you risk being branded an "elitist."

Amazing who certain DEMS are casting their lots with these days, no?

[Dr Fate]

6. Exactly. And Farrakkan & Wright are their new "Willie Horton."

Look forward to more race baiting from the Willie Horton play-book, and when you call them on it, look for their "you are playing the race card" talking point to deflect from it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. Impossible!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/22/bill-clinton-obama-camp-played-the-race-card-on-me/

[StevieM]

7. If they go then a whole lot of the party will go with them (eom)

[JackORoses]

21. so you're a McCain Democrat?

[StevieM]

51. I don't know, If Obama gets the nomination and then starts showing some basic human decency

then I might vote for him. Right now I just think he is a very mean-spirited person.

Steve

[TTUBatfan2008]

69. Mean-spirited?

But Hillary isn't? Obama has congratulated her publicly during every single one of her wins, yet she's too much of a sore loser to congratulate him during her miserable losses in February. Hillary throws him under the bus and praises McCain in the same sentence. Why? You don't see the mean-spiritedness in that?

[Butch350]

70. 51. I don't know, showing some basic human decency

51. I don't know, If Obama gets the nomination and then starts showing some basic human decency

Q. What, if I may ask, has he done that lacks human decency?

[JackORoses]

85. Obam is a kind and honest man. You are just to bound to Hillary to allow yourself to see this.

Whenever she makes her exit, you will see more clearly.

[NJSecularist]

8. Saying that he doesn't appeal to white Democrats is a fact.

As much as the Obamites don't want to hear it.

In Ohio, he lost the white Democratic voting bloc by 43 points: Hillary 70, Obama 27
In Pennsylvania, he lost the white Democratic voting block by 30 points: Hillary 65, Obama: 35
Even in Wisconsin, the state the Obamites love to flaunt as his big win, he lost the white Democratic vote by 3 points: Clinton 51, Obama 48.

The truth is the truth. We need to keep almost all White Democrats in our coalition to win the election. If Obama is nominated, he'll bleed white Democratic support to McSame.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Well, he must be appealing to white democrats, that's why he's winning.

And by massive margins in mostly white states, like Idaho.

You mean he's not appealing to white racists.

[thunder rising]

13. You mean he's not appealing to white racists. (it just needed to be in a title line)

[Dr Fate]

22. Right- and white racists are not genrally "democrats"-they are conservative swing-voters.

If you want to get technical ;)

[EffieBlack]

73. Funny how failing to appeal to white racists = unelectability

Failure to appeal to 90% of black voters = no big deal.

[EffieBlack]

78. Funny how failing to appeal to white racists = unelectability

but failing to appeal to 90% of black voters = no big deal.

[NJSecularist]

40. No, I mean white Democratic voters.

I guess if they don't vote for Obama, they are racist, huh? :eyes:

He is winning the white independents voting bloc over Hillary, but he is doing a horrendous job among White Democrats in most states, other than irrelevant states like Idaho.

Or maybe Obama will win Idaho in the general!!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. If they're white people who consider "race and important factor"

and then vote for a white person...

Pretty much, yeah.

[Liberal Veteran]

64. Really? Then why do mostly white states Wyoming, Idaho, Washington, etc...

....go primarily for Obama?

[TTUBatfan2008]

72. Perhaps because they don't ever deal with black people...

there's lots of competition between ethnic groups in states that AREN'T 95% white where each group is trying to improve their economic situation. There's bitterness in all directions and people will tend to side with their ethnic group due to bad experiences with other groups. If someone loses a promotion at work to a person of another ethnicity, they might get angry about it. That's a very tame example of the kind of interaction I'm talking about. Utah has no idea and therefore doesn't really care. But come general election time, the "morals" issues will be touted by the Republicans and therefore those states will go strongly for the Republicans.

[newmajority]

74. Hey, don't be comparing Washington to Idaho and Wyoming!!

Well, at least not Western Washington anyway.......

[Liberal Veteran]

82. Nice post, Cascadianista!

:D


I'm over here in the trenches on Eastern side just across the border from Idaho fighting the good fight.

[CBGLuthier]

11. Well then fuck the democratic party

This is so god damned sickening.

Fuck to hell every single so-called democrat who will not vote for a man of color.

All of YOU!!

[Skidmore]

27. Pretty much my sentiments and I have written to the DNC

to let them know that if Hillary is handed the nomination by using bigotry as a tool, then the party has left me. I will not vote on principle for this woman.

[Window]

29. I second that emotion.

This is the closest I've ever come to actually hating some people.

[NJSecularist]

41. All white Democrats who don't vote for Obama are racists! n/t

[Dr Fate]

80. Only if they admit "race was a factor" in an exit poll.

Or, if they felt that way but didnt admit it, for that matter.

Otherwise, no one is saying what you said.

[PoliticalAmazon]

60. The DNC could stop this if they wanted to. That they don't tells us a lot....

To avoid spamming, this is what I wrote in another post in this folder:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5672922&mesg_id=5673662

If the DNC is willing to throw African-Americans off the bus, then it's not the bus I want to be riding in, either.

If I was African-American, I would leave the party. I believe that, if African-Americans do, there will be many white Obama supporters who will do the same.

[Dr Fate]

17. It certainly was a fact after Clinton used Willie Horton tactics on him.

Be warned- if Clinton can fool those swing-voters into thinking Obama is a "racist elitist terrorist", then wait until McCain and the GOP owned media give them an ear full. This should be a concern for Obama as well as Hillary.

If white "democrats" dont like him b/c he is black, then we are talking about racists- right? I wouldlt know what else to call them. Ignorant?

Also, if they vote McCain or are racist against black folks- its not "white Democratic support" that is at issue- its conservative swing-voter support that is at issue.

[NJSecularist]

43. When did Hillary use Willie Horton tactics?

Another broad generalization with no basis in fact.

[Dr Fate]

77. Wrong. Bringing up Farrakan is the exact same tactic, aimed at the exact same type of white voter.

Bringing up a vague assocation with Farrakan was designed to upset & goad anry white males- and make them dislike Obama.

It is a page straight fromthe Willie Horton playbook- She brought up the archetypal "scary black man" with the specific intention to race-bait the angry or fearful white folks.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

52. Pro Hillary comment at MyHRC: "This uppity attitude"

This is an excerpt from the current #1 recommended diary at MyHRC titled “A Sobering Question: Is Obama Electable?” by pro-Hillary comment spammer TexasDarlin:

And Obama’s arrogance, most vividly displayed recently when he “flipped off”
Hillary Clinton doesn’t help his image with average Americans either. Along the
same lines, today David Axelrod audaciously insulted white working class voters
by declaring them irrelevant to a Democratic victory. This uppity attitude
likely explains why 32% of Democratic voters in Pennsylvania told a pollster
that they would never vote for Barack Obama.

[JackORoses]

25. He lost them to a fellow Democrat who just happened to be White.

That is in no way the same as saying he would lose them to McCain, yet that is what is being implied.

Real Democrats will vote for the Democrat in November.
The Racists were always with the Repukes anyway.

You are letting your own personal biases bleed into your perception of the whole country.
Take your mindset back to 1950 where it belongs.

[Dr Fate]

32. I've seen a lot of folks confusing conservative & racist swing-voters with the DEM base.

I seem to be the only one at DU bringing up the point that McCain can EASILY swing those "working class" folks that Hill is counting on- using the same smears & issues, in fact.

Apparently all McCain will need to swing them is one or two lies and a willing media. Check.

It's a concern for Hillary or Obama.

[NJSecularist]

46. Some of you are so unbelievably naive it is unbelievable.

There is a big possibility he loses White Democrats to McCain.

[JackORoses]

53. You're wrong. He may lose your racist ass, but that's no great loss.

[Dr Fate]

84. LOL- I got news for you- Hillary could easliy lose the angry white swing voter to McCain too.

If Hillary can convince them that ANY DEM is a "racist, elitist, terrorist" then wait till Mccain & the entire GOP media gives them 100 or so ear-fulls of anti-Hillary propaganda (if it gets to that point)- using the exact same issues and tactics even.

Race-based & reactionary voting should be concern for Hillary as well as Obama-they dont call 'em "swing voters" for nothin!!!

[jeffrey_X]

36. bull shit.

maybe old dixiecrats, but not progressive democrats.

[NJSecularist]

47. Fact. White Democrats have overwhelming voted for Clinton.

Call them what you want. Progressive Democrats. Racist Democrats. Whatever.

[JackORoses]

56. They are Democrats. They will vote for the Democrat in the Fall.

You are just attempting to use racial divisions as an excuse for Hillary's attempt to steal this nomination.

She will fail, and the Clintons will always be remembered now as the people who tried to hold down the first Black President.

[NJSecularist]

58. Tell Kerry that. He lost 10% of the Democratic vote in 2004

If he only kept 3% more of the Democratic vote, he would have won the presidency.

[JackORoses]

66. now your argument falls apart. what does Kerry's situation have to do with this?

He is not Black, and he is certainly not Barack Obama.

You need to think some more and get back to me on this.

[NJSecularist]

68. False. Kerry has a lot to do with this.

Kerry lost 10% of the Democratic vote. Obama is in danger of losing around the same in the general election. If Kerry had won only 3% more Democratic supporter, he would have won the election.

[JackORoses]

83. Obama draws Independents much more strongly than Kerry did.

In fact, Hillary would probably have lost PA if the Primary had been open.

Obama also draws tons of new voters into the process.

He will win, don't worry.

[Duke Newcombe]

86. Then you're cool with such "support" for your candidate?

This is very telling.

Duke

[Egnever]

67. Horse shit I am a white democrat and I find him very apealing

saying anyone is a consistant voting block is in and of itself racist.

[GoldieAZ49]

12. 74% of white voters in PA said race was an issue (this is wrong correction:)

so you think it isn't?

on edit
80% of white voters said race was not important
none said it was most important
14% said it was one of several considerations

I checked the CNN exit poll data:

Race of Candidate Was...
Clinton
Obama

Most Important
(5%)
N/A
N/A

One of Several
(14%)
55%
45%

Not Important
(80%)
54%
46%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[thunder rising]

16. Oh right and PA is THE (only) state that counts anymore! Get a clue PA is full of latent racism

[pdxmom]

20. Please provide a link to that statistic, because I find it hard to believe

that 3/4 of the citizens of Pennsylvania are racist.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. So do I, it was covered on Hardball

so I don't have a link to their slide

but looking at the CNN exit poll info it reads differently: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[Catherina]

24. And yet, Hillary couldn't get 74% of the vote

:rofl:

So sexism isn't a problem in this country anymore I take it.

If race is such an issue, I can't wait to see the survey on sexism.

[JackORoses]

31. that is a false number. 16% is the correct number

I think you are mixing it up with this:
74% of that 16% voted for Hillary.

If you're going to quote numbers, at least make sure they are correct.

[GoldieAZ49]

39. could be, but I don't remember seeing the 16%

from the CNN site (don't they all get the same exit poll data?)

Race of Candidate Was...
Clinton
Obama

Most Important
(5%)
N/A
N/A

One of Several
(14%)
55%
45%

Not Important
(80%)
54%
46%

[JackORoses]

45. you couldn't tell it was wrong just by looking at it?

do you seriously believe 74% of PA Dems are Racists?

think about it.

[GoldieAZ49]

62. I am glad you are not blaming racism for Obama's loss in PA

I will pay more attention to the exit data and how the media portrays it and how I interpret it

I do not want to think any state is racist

[newmajority]

76. How many racists do you think will vote for ANY Democratic candidate anyway?

I'm not going to beg for their votes.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. Obama is black? Holy shit!!! I had no idea!!!

[Catherina]

28. They noticed he was Black after he started winning. n/t

[UALRBSofL]

42. OMG I love the dancing stick figures

I'll borrow it from you. :)

[DemGa]

15. And the proof the Clintons are doing this?

[Dr Fate]

26. What was the point of bringing Farrakkan into the mix, if not to goad angry white males?

Hillary's guilt-by-association use of Farrakkan was the exact same thing Bush Sr. did with Willie Horton.

[DemGa]

44. That doesn't prove anything about using race

Questionable associations of Obama's mentor and church, yes. These arguments usually involve a great deal of supposition.

[Dr Fate]

50. Wrong- it proves that Hillary is willing to rely on racist tactics to gain racist support.

She brought up Farrakkan for a tactical reason, not just for fun- she knew it would make angry white males & racists oppose Obama. The old-time Willie Horton model works everytime.


You guys wont find it so cute when McCain EASILY swings those folks back to their fold using the exact same issues & tactics.

[Indenturedebtor]

63. No what HRC has accomplished

Is to validate the bullshit Wright scandals so now the Pukes can use it every day to November, and we won't be able to call them on the racism of it now. Wright is an angry black man who just so happens to have been saying alot of the stuff you read on this board daily... but he also happens to be black.

Now his associaton with Farrakhan? Farrakhan is a black nazi. Fuck Farrakhan. But the association is paper thin at best. The Clintons tried to use that to scare Jews.

The Clintons tried to paint him as elitist to wedge off poor people.

They tried to say that his victories in the South didn't mean anything because "Oh that's just Black People... they don't matter.".

They tried to exploit and increase the fear of the people against Muslims and to use that as a wedge.

Is there any low they won't sink to? And they used this crap against their own party.

They've been trying to use wedge politics the entire campaign, so they could divide and conquer the Dem party. Does that tactic sound familiar?

I completely agree with the OP. I can't wait for these sacks of crap to get out of the public eye already. Disgusting.

[sniffa]

18. They're late to the party

I've been hearing that here for what seems like forever now (but only for a few long fucking months).

[me b zola]

19. K&R

Super-duper fuck 'em, and the triangulating horse they rode in on.

[Window]

23. Hillary to Bill Richardson, "He can't win Bill."

You know that's what she was saying, he's black, he can't win.

[jackson_dem]

87. Really? Supposedly Richardson himself said Obama couldn't win because he has no experience

The fact he endorsed Obama doesn't mean he doesn't hold those views. Obama losing and Richardson building goodwill with Obamites would set him up nicely for 2012...

[Window]

90. Yes, really. Supposedly is not good enough. And, IF he did say that,

it was about lack of experience, not because Sen. Obama is half black.

[Bensthename]

33. If word gets out that Obama is black, he is through..

:scared:

[newmajority]

79. Interesting observation on the Mike Malloy show last night.

Apparently someone e mailed Mike with the following suggestion..... Use the "Jewish rule" when it comes to Obama's heritage. That rule being that you are considered Jewish if your mother is Jewish. (i.e. Howard Dean is not Jewish, but his kids are, because their mother is)

Obama's mother was white. Therefore, using this rule, Obama is white.

Not that I give a flying rats ass one way or the other myself, but it's a good way to fuck with the heads of those who want to make his heritage an issue.

[BlooInBloo]

37. (shrug) Everybody knows it. Her supporters are cowardly liars who refuse to admit it.

[UALRBSofL]

38. I'm sorry you feel that way, after all the Clinton's are "just white people"

So I understand your frustrations.

Your thread deserves a "wink-and-a-nod" :eyes:

[JackORoses]

49. I am just a white person, too. But I know dirtbag racism when I see it.

The Clintons have been pretending for months that they had other reasons why Obama was unelectable.

Now, after all their attacks have failed to take him out, they return to their base reason.

Instant Karma's gonna get them!

[jackson_dem]

48. Chris Dodd got 0% of the white vote. Is he black?

[JackORoses]

57. thanks for the kick

[TexasObserver]

54. Invasion of the Body Snatchers = Hillary & Bill pointing and shrieking at Obama

OMG! He's black!!

[knixphan]

59. Kick for the regret that MLK's dream is still just january rhetoric...

[Indenturedebtor]

71. That's not so

It's just that change takes time. Change is hard. And sometimes change is impossible. The fight will never be won. Stupid people will always be hateful of "them other ones". But the fight will make a difference!

[knixphan]

75. you're right...

And sometimes we don't live to see the AMOUNT of change we're so anxious to see....

[Dr Fate]

81. awesome post. n/t

n/t

[Bonobo]

88. Kick

[libbygurl]

89. Ooh, thank you for the info. Didn't know BO was black.

[dailykoff]

91. Condi would have been better for them

but you go to war with the candidate you've got.