The Audacity of Hope (for Racism)

[Bonobo]

Hillary cannot win unless she convinces Super Delegates that Obama is unelectable.

That is what she is trying to do.

Her strategy is to show that Obama cannot win enough of the "white vote" to win the GE.

She may not be a racist, but she sure has the audacity to hope for, and even encourage, racism.

I find it nauseating. Many of us do.

End of message.

[DesertFlower]

1. i've been hearing this all day.

what scares me is that she and bill might be able to do it.

[Infinite Hope]

40. I fear that too. I'd be completely uninspired by the GE race. I dread her election like McCain's. nt

[jconner27]

2. The audacity of bullshit

Obama can't win because he can't connect with a large segment of the Democratic party, his "lead" in delgates are mostly from states that he will lose to McCain in the fall. Obama can't win because he has no substance to him and once you get pass all those hope and change it's not a heck of lot after that. His supporters pretty much have to lie and whine and that's not pretty, if you don't believe in Obama then you're racist. Obama supporters have pretty much told Clinton supporters we don't need you to win because according to them those new young voters to go along with them despite the fact they may flake out and not show up.

It seems Obama supporters have forgo their stay in reality and stay in their own odd little world where the GOP won't use Rev. Wright, Rezko(sp) and his ties a bomber against him and those 13 Republican states will see the error of their ways and go for Obama.

[Bonobo]

4. yup, sure.

No substance, blah blah, cult, blah blah.

All his grass roots money and enthusiastic support is a result of his being a kind of slick card shark. That's what we're supposed to believe?

We are all deluded and you see things clearly (despite being willing to overlook every disgusting thing she says and does that you would have vomited at 6 months ago of Bush did it).

[gsaguyCLW54]

16. I agree 100%

[DesertFlower]

8. our own little world?

what about yours? hillary lies and admits it and it's okay. she plays "dirty" and it's okay. she panders to every group and it's okay.

what happened to that southern accent she had 6 months ago? what happened to the cackle?

[cyndensco]

23. oh,

the cackle is still there....

[DesertFlower]

28. haven't heard it lately. she seems

to have a normal laugh now.

[Levgreee]

39. acting coaches help

[bhikkhu]

29. Our own little world at the moment beats McCain's in the GE:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr24.html

Kind of destroys the whole electability argument - projected to win.

[gsaguyCLW54]

17. Obama will do worse than Kerry.

[Bonobo]

18. Any actual reasons for thinking that?

[Middle finga]

3. I wonder do she think the black vote and the youth vote will just

run to her if she is successful at pulling off this coup against Barack if so she is sadly mistaking.

[Bonobo]

5. I decided today that I will not vote for her in the GE.

I live in Massachusetts and it won't make a difference in the GE, so I have some latitude here as opposed to those who live in a state on the edge.

I will not give her my vote and tacitly approve her Republican-Lite campaign. I will write in Obama. Then I will pick up my pitchfork and torch and get my ass to D.C. with the rest of us.

[Middle finga]

6. Sound like a good plan to me, you can count me in.

[Bonobo]

7. I swear I ain't having any more of it.

The shit will fly if the Clintons decide to "Boss Tweed" their way into this.

[Middle finga]

11. 2008 may be the year we have to get out in the street and show

the world that we are fed up with the BS. Blogging and sending angry emails is just not getting through

[Bonobo]

13. We should have done it in 2000. We should have done it before he bombed Iraq

with the complicity of Hillary and other cowardly, poll-sucking Democrats.

We need to do it soon, because we are in deeeeep shit and Billary are the kind of insider "game-playing", go along to get along, suck-up politicians that we do not need.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. Well, we did do it before Iraq -

but the media, when they covered it at all, reduced the turnout by 90% so that gatherings of 15,000 were called a 'couple thousand' and a hundred thousand were a 'few' thousand.

If nothing burns they can get away with saying nothing happened.

[Bonobo]

20. We need to march on and occupy the news stations. That they cannot hide.

[TahitiNut]

45. Let me know when.

My torch and pitchfork are getting rusty sitting in the garage since December 2000. :grr: :grr:

[Bonobo]

47. Rust is good in this case.

Tetanus and all that.

:evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown:
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[DesertFlower]

9. i'm almost at that point myself. nt

[Barack_America]

14. I hope she's not counting on Pennsylvania in the general.

I live in Philly and have decided that I won't be voting for her if she succeeds with this "electability" *wink wink* argument.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5647064

And it looks like I'm not the only one here who feels that way.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/Black_supporters_react_to_primary.html

No Democrat can win PA without strong African American turnout in Philly.

[NJSecularist]

10. What if it is true?

What if Obama cannot win enough white votes to win the general election? Have you ever considered that possibility? Are some of you that naive?

Some white voters are not convinced about his candidacy. With 8 years of experience as VP behind Hillary, he would win the nomination in 2016 with support from these White Democrats. You don't know what they are looking for. Perhaps they are looking for a candidate with more experience.

[Bonobo]

12. If it is true, I don't want to live in this country anymore.

If Hillary Clinton is what it takes for a "Dem" to get to the WH, I say fuck it. It's not worth it. If it's true, being a Dem doesn't mean what I want it to mean, what it should mean, what it needs to mean.

But anyway, I don't believe it. I believe we can do it and we will do it.

[Middle finga]

15. Run as a VP with Hillary the war mongering corporate candidate?

If he carry her water for 8 years he becomes just another Washington insider. Besides being a VP for the Clintons do not guarantee you will win the Presidency, ask Al Gore the Clintons are toxic.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Hillary is doing her level best to MAKE it true.

And people see it.

She will never get the nomination, or the presidency.

[EffieBlack]

48. You do realize that 5 of the last 7 Democratic nominess did not "win enough white votes to win the

general election?"

Of course, they were all white men, so I guess that doesn't matter.

Interesting that we have NEVER had a guarantee that a Democratic nominee would win the general election. And many of them didn't. And they didn't win because they did not get enough white votes (since black voters voted overwhelmingly for these white men, you can't blame THEM). Yet I never, not once, ever heard people wringing their hands, assessing electability by trying to guess which white white presidential candidate was most likely to get the most white votes.

So, why all of a sudden, now that there's a black man in the race, are you and others SO concerned about possibly losing the general election because he couldn't "win enough white votes."

I call bullshit on this entire argument.

I call bullshit because I see right through it. And I see that this argument is about a fear that Obama won't get enough white votes to win the election. This is about a fear - in fact, outright terror - that Obama WILL get enough white votes and we will have a black president. That scares some people to death.

The fear is palpable. And it's pathetic.

[jenmito]

21. 5th R! Exactly right...

How pathetic.

[jenmito]

24. I don't understand why the media never questions if Hillary would have a problem getting the Black

voters if SHE happened to be the nominee, as if they'll all just flock to her, unlike the "blue-collar white people" who Obama DEFINITELY won't get. :eyes:

[Bonobo]

25. White=default. In ALL cases.

If you do not know what this means, anyone reading this, you need to think more and read more. Oh, and you're probably racist.

[jenmito]

26. Exactly.

'Nuff said. :toast:

[scarletwoman]

27. Excellent point!

Why DOESN'T the media ask Clinton about her "electibility" in regard to the Black vote? Default norm = White.

Why isn't someone asking Clinton how she will win over Black voters if she becomes the nominee? It's a perfectly valid question.

sw
(edited for my own misreading)

[jenmito]

30. Oops! I see you edited your post, so I'll edit mine.

Thanks for seeing what I meant, though! :hi:

[scarletwoman]

31. Thank you for being so kind.

What you said actually made perfect sense to me, but I totally misinterpreted bonobo's reply to you. My comprehension is a bit slow tonight, apparently.

Also, I'm feeling absolutely incensed about what's going down. The Clinton camp is out there deliberately fanning white racism. It's utterly despicable. :grr:

sw

[jenmito]

32. Just adjusting to your adjustment...

:) Thanks, and I feel just as angry as you do. But I DID see one (Black) talk radio host last night on Larry King Live (IIRC) saying he's been getting calls all day by Black callers FURIOUS with the Clintons.

[scarletwoman]

33. The Clinton/DLC faction won't be content until they run Obama into the gound,

tear out his still-beating heart, and drink the blood.

People BETTER get pissed about this shit!

sw

[jenmito]

34. I agree. I'm so glad the woman who dubbed Bill Clinton "the first Black president" endorsed

Obama. I wish she would've gone further and retracted that honor! He clearly doesn't deserve it. His TRUE colors are showing now.

[Bonobo]

35. Is that true? Lovely.

Pure poetry.

[EffieBlack]

49. Ain't that interesting - Hillary is losing 90% of the black vote and there's no mention of it

hmm.

[ClericJohnPreston]

36. This the latest communique from

Obamaton Central.

You have your marching orders cadre. Now assimilate and repeat ad nauseum.

Grow up Chimpy. Your abusive charges are just the ever escalating madness of the cult demanding blood.

[ClericJohnPreston]

37. Well, thats one less post for you

Chimpy. You must have worked really hard on this one....at least 2-3 seconds.

[Bonobo]

41. Hey Stalker, I don't have you on ignore, but neither do I read your putrid swill.

Just so you know, "Cleric".

Go back to the D&D board, kid.

[ClericJohnPreston]

42. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I guess you can't read then. Because you certainly can't write.

[Bonobo]

43. I write just fine.

I get paid per word in fact and do rather well.

You, on the other hand, write the most tortured, overwrought sentences I have ever seen.

Like a High-School kid with a thesaurus trying to compose something for the High School yearbook.

[Umbram]

44. Ignore it.

It's one of those spineless "I have no dog in this race, but I'll only attack one side" fools that don't have the intestinal fortitude to stop hiding behind a long-since-out-of-it candidate.

Pretty spineless, seeing as one never has to defend a candidate and can simply snipe at will.

A bridgeless troll, nothing more.

[Bonobo]

46. Thank you. I have alerted him for Stalking behavior.

[Infinite Hope]

38. K&R n/t