Rep. James Clyburn: "Clinton Is Staying In Race To Derail Obama-Pave Way For 2012"

[kpete]

April 24th, 2008
Top House Democrat denounces Clinton campaign tactics
Post a comment (77)Posted by: Richard Cowan
Tags: Tales from the Trail: 2008

WASHINGTON - “Scurrilous” and “disingenuous” were among the words a top Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives used on Thursday to describe Hillary Clinton’s campaign tactics in her bid to defeat Barack Obama for their party’s presidential nomination.

House Democratic Whip James Clyburn, of South Carolina and the highest ranking black in Congress, also said he has heard speculation that Clinton is staying in the race only to try to derail Obama and pave the way for her to make another White House run in 2012.

“I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can’t win this. But they’re hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win” in November, Clyburn told Reuters in an interview.

Obama holds a sizable lead in delegates won in state-nominating contests which could be hard for her to overcome.

more at:
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/24/top-house-democrat-denounces-clinton-campaign-tactics/

[AtomicKitten]

Just as we suspected.

I hope the superdelegates put Barack over the top after May 6th. This insanity has to stop.

K&R

[polpilot]

77. Knew it all along.

[TheIronLion]

87. Put a fork in Hillary.

We've gotta start focusing on McCain already...

[slinkerwink]

1. this may have been a result of her meeting with uncommitted superdelegates at the DCCC today

Whatever she told them is prompting Clyburn and Rahm to speak out.

[Kittycat]

6. Where's the detail on that?

I did read she had a private meeting at her mansion in VA, with 15 of her congressional supporters regarding the uncommitted's.

I did have to crack up at Bayh today... Although I've endorsed her - no one else can endorse anyone :rofl:

[Kittycat]

7. delete - see below

dupe

[Cha]

15. Typical hilary tool...I hope

those pols don't listen to evan who's backing the loser.

[tekisui]

2. He's a heavy-hitter.

Those are strong words.

I think the end is near.

[John Q. Citizen]

66. Yes, those are strong words. The party isn't going to sit around and let Obama's opponent

piss in the soup.

[OzarkDem]

90. He's not, his performance has been terrible

He's been absolutely useless in Congress in "whipping" votes. He can't even get the Dems to stick together for a vote, let alone whip Republicans.

My guess is that most of you on this forum didn't even realize he was the House Whip until he started campaign for Obama.

How many times have you seen him on tv bullying the GOP to get in line on a Dem Iraq bill or a Bush/Cheney impeachment vote or child health care vote the way Tom Delay did?

Tom Delay was a disgrace, but at least he delivered votes for his party. Clyburn has sat on his ass and done nothing.

[dchill]

101. Well, he sure got off his ass today, didn't he?

And dealt the goddess a mighty blow. (Metaphorically speaking, for the sensitive reader.)

[OzarkDem]

102. Shows his priorities are misplaced

How many American soldiers have died in Iraq because he didn't feel like getting off his ass to do his job.

[dchill]

103. Yes, he is entirely to blame for that.

Thanks for putting me in my place, I'm much better for it - and Bush, Cheney et al can relax, now.

[OzarkDem]

105. Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Emmanuel and Hoyer

Clyburn sat on his ass and did nothing. He had no intention of advancing a Dem agenda in Congress or opposing Bush.

He was along for the ride, doing the bidding of corporate America so he could cash in.

He and the others are a disgrace to the Democratic Party

[Nedsdag]

115. "doing the bidding of corporate America."

You mean like Hillary's supporters Richard Mellon Scaife and Rupert Murdoch?

You are as hypocritical as your candidate.

[dchill]

116. In for a penny, in for a pound.

:hi:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Silly.

She won't start with 150+ SD's, nor the money. Her chance is gone.

[wanpete]

10. He's not talking about her chances to win. He's angered by the tactics they are using against

Obama to make him unelectable. He's stating that she can't win the time around so she's laying the groundwork for 2012.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. Understood.

And I'm saying that all her built in advantages won't be there in 2012.

[wanpete]

20. I agree with you. I'm very angry about how this is turning out. She's fighting him like a

republican and it's sickening and hurtful to our party.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. And I agree with you.

:toast:

[knixphan]

72. and I agree too!

[wanpete]

4. Clyburn has tried to remain remarkably uncommitted and unbiased. He must have real concerns and

anger about what he sees happening.

[Tribetime]

5. if true, the supers must end it now

[wanpete]

16. Agreed Tribetime. Stories are leaking out. Headline about Pelosi, Reid, and Dean stepping in.

Many in the Dem leadership see what is happening and they are mad as hell. It's time for them to step up to the plate and stop this madness. All this divisiveness is toxic and potentially lethal to our chances to win this year.

I'm tired of it and have taken a much needed hiatus from cable news programs. The spin, propaganda, and lying to prop up this "horse race" is nauseating and deceitful.

[Andy823]

27. Yes they do

Need to step up, but they seem to be just as spineless as they are when it comes to voting against funding the war! It still think many of the leaders in the party are scared of the Clintons, and fear they will seek revenge on them if they stand up to them. Problem is that it will destroy the party if they don't. They really need to make a choice, put an end to this crap and tell Hillary they have had enough, or give into Hillary and watch the whitehouse stay in republican hands for another 4 years as the country collapses!

[wanpete]

29. You are absolutely right. At what point to we stand up to wrong and embrace right?

It is wrong to tear apart your party and sling mud at the person who will be the nominee in order to cripple him in the GE. It is wrong, dispicable, and shameless.

[Andy823]

43. I plan on

Writing to both of my senators, both women, both democrats, and both are supporting HIllary, to tell them how I feel, and ask them to help stop the destruction of the party. Maybe if enough of us write to our democrats in congress we can get something done, maybe! They all know what needs to be done, they just need to do it!

[crankychatter]

53. I'm from Seattle... those Two "chap my hide"

Washington is OBAMA COUNTRY

[Diane R]

86. I'm in Spokane. I don't think it will take much to move Patti and Maria away from the dark side.

[crankychatter]

94. Washington's for Obama... they need to get WITH the people

yup

I'll never forget Gary Locke's Dem response to the pre-war Bush SOTU address... wishy washy at best.

Then when he endorsed Kerry on the eve of our caucuses? I was LIVID.

Drove this lonely Edwards Booster straight to the arms of the Dean Campaign.

Still I ended up a Kucinich delegate. My sons can be quite persuasive.

I don't love the Governor but at least she's behind Obama, yes?

[John Q. Citizen]

71. Yes, writing your Senators is a good idea.

[Shae]

97. I have been thinking of writing to Mikulski

and O'Malley. I think Cardin is uncommitted.

[crankychatter]

52. they're going to write letters in June

hardly "stepping up now"

just sayin'

[mamalone]

23. I misread your post....

thought it said...

if true, the SNIPERS must end it now

oh. my. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[crankychatter]

47. we replied in the same moment in the same way

gmta

[crankychatter]

46. It's late.... I read that as "snipers" not "supers"

I'm going to bed

[John Q. Citizen]

70. No, not end it now. The SDs need to keep moving to Obama and have the pledged delegates won in an

upcoming contest put Obama over the 2024 mark.

It would be best for all concerned to do it like that. Best for the party, best for Obama the nominee, and even best for Sen. Clinton.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Yes, it's perfectly obvious. Nice to hear an elected official mention it.

[Barack_America]

9. Wow. If that doesn't send the message to the SD's that African Americans WILL LEAVE...

...the Democratic Party, then nothing will. SD's know how this party works. They know that it is dead without African Americans.

:wow:

That was stunning. Good for Clyburn.

[wanpete]

24. I'm AA and was in Clinton's camp until the SC comments by Bill. He says the race card was played

against him. I wasn't angered because Obama's people made it an issue. I was angered when I HEARD the comments. They were so obviously meant to marginalize and minimize his win there. It struck a very personal and visceral chord within me. I know for a fact, that many others felt this way and that the support the Clintons had with the majority of AA's has been forever and irrevocably severed.

[Stop Cornyn]

74. I was an Edwards supporter who was OK with either Clinton or Obama until she campaign got so ugly.

If she steals the nomination, she will rend the party such that we lose, lose the Senate, and lose the House.

She's put out so much poison that she's become toxic herself.

[Irishonly]

99. Me too

Her campaign is horrible. Up until a few days ago I was a November nominee supporter but no more. I voted for Edwards on Super Tuesday even though he had suspended his campaign because I believe a primary is to vote your choice when you can. I can't even tell you what made me tilt and it's been difficult explaining everything to my daughter who will be voting in her very first election. Now I have had to explain to her that even though I hate the name calling I cannot support Hillary. It's been awful then to have to explain to her that if she steals the nomination I will vote for her because I would rather have to walk on a bed of nails than see another republican in the WH. Sucks, doesn't it?

[Kittycat]

11. Reid also spoke out again, along with pelosi.

Then throw Dean's recent words in to it all... Makes it all very interesting.

[AZBlue]

12. Indeed - the only thing about Hillary that's transparent: her greed.

K/R

[IndianaGreen]

14. and the legendary Clinton corruption

They are the only people that can match Cheney in ethics.

[TahitiNut]

35. The old canard about the only people they treat worse than their enemies are their friends ...

... seems to have more truth than fiction in it. They're shitting where they've eaten. Fuck 'em.

[aquart]

83. And yet, 72 million dollars couldn't find a single crime

except a lie about adultery. Oh, wait. You're reading old Republican talking points.

Unbelievable that you would rehash that phony crap as if it were true. Well, not unbelievable of Obama supporters.

[GetTheRightVote]

13. they are probably being pushed to pledge to her and they do wish

to, but the Clintons are a power house in the party and could be pulling some dirty tricks to force their hand. So they come out with what is really going on before they are beat up more by the.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. He must have heard it from me. I've been saying Hillary's running for 2012 longer than anyone.

[Leftist Agitator]

19. Fuck Hillary Clinton.

I goddamned well may find a professorial position in NY state just so I can run against this fucking asshole in 2012. I'll be 30 by then, and I dare say, I would make her look like the pandering ignoramus that she is in any sort of intellectual battle, i.e. debates, etc.

If I don't, someone sure as hell needs to. This woman has no place "serving the public" as it's plainly obvious that the duplicitous, disingenuous... Oh, might as well say it, LYING shithead cares about no one or nothing but herself.

Again, I reiterate, FUCK HILLARY CLINTON!!!

:mad:

[TahitiNut]

38. Sorry ...

... not even with Bill's dick. :puke:

[Leftist Agitator]

44. OK, fair enough...

How about with that dildo that we know that santorum (I prefer to use the uncapitalized noun form. Feel free to ask me why.) has stashed up in his closet, or dresser drawer, or wherever?

I mean, that thing is fucking filthy already, and not because of where it has been, but rather because of by whom it is owned.

[SwampG8r]

104. dont feel bad

he stopped himself years ago

even he has higher standards than that

[thereismore]

84. You do it. tn

[OzarkDem]

91. My response

To hell with James Clyburn. He has been a failure as Majority Whip. An abject failure.

[NoodleyAppendage]

22. Yep. That's the plan. Then she'll come back in 2012 as the "I told you so" candidate.

But, little does she appreciate that people will STILL HATE HER in 2012. Clinton is a blight upon the populist ideals and movements of a modern Democratic party. She needs to return to her REPUKE roots and leave the Democrats alone.

J

[liberalla]

45. People will hate her even MORE!

If these antics cost Obama the election, and if McCain becomes president, she'll be persona non grata.
She'll be despised, a pariah, an anathema. Nobody will even want to hear her name again. It'll be like Nader, but worse - the Nader backlash on steroids.*

If she persists on this course, she won't only be narrowing her chances in 2012, she'll be eliminating them!

*I know Nader is not the reason Gore wasn't declared President in 2000. However, he still took a lot of anger from people who believed he cost Gore the election. The anger towards Hillary would be much, much greater.

[ericblair]

76. There can only be two reasons Hillary's hanging on like she

is.
The 2012 election. Don't be too sure Hillary will be hated too much to run in 2012. If we lose a third presidential election the DLC'ers are going to be in a very good position to oust Dean and purge the progressive wing of the party. Hillary get's the nomination. Who you going to vote for? Nader? McCain's vice-president, who's almost certain to be an arch-conservative? I doubt it.
The second possibility is that Hillary knows something really, really nasty about Obama and is waiting for the right moment to light that stink bomb. I imagine that after their "35 years of public service" the Clintons know where most of the skeletons are closeted.You can be sure though it won't come from her or her campaign's mouth.It probably won't make a difference to Obama's candidacy but she may THINK it will.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid but these are the only two reasons that explain her continuing to run for the nomination. She's not stupid. She knows that as things stand she can't win the nomination. She's got a plan and you can bet things will get ugly when she puts it into action.

[HooptieWagon]

82. I disagree inre "the bombshell".

Her campaign has been in disarray and panic since Super Tuesday went awry. If the Clinton camp were sitting on a bombshell they would have dropped it long ago.

edit - typos

[wellstone dem]

88. Her bombshell was the bitter comments. nt

[SwampG8r]

107. thats why

in every state you need to identify your dlc members and deny them any power

[SwampG8r]

106. she will be ........

nader
but without the honest streak

[KaptBunnyPants]

25. I have nightmares of her raising interparty hatred all summer, convincing her supporters

they've been screwed in some bogus way when the nomination is given to it's rightful owner. Then McCain introduces his running mate, Joe "Independent Democrat" Lieberman, and runs on the unity ticket, promising to lead the "real" America through these rocky times with adult leadership. The traitor Clinton faction plays loyal, all the while doing all they can to backstab Obama all the way through November. And we get stuck with 4 more years of war and desolation, just so she can have her 2012 "I told you so" campaign.

[wanpete]

26. Ding! Ding! Ding! That is an excellent way to describe her 2012 campaign. The "I told you so"

campaign. You've really hit the nail on the head with your synopsis of her intentions.

[Diane R]

89. Ding, ding, ding is right. If she's sabatoging him now, just wait 'til after she's forced to concede

Hell hath not fury, and all that.

[Mz Pip]

28. After this cluster ****

She won't have the support to run in 2012. There seems to be quite enough buyers remorse on the part of some of her early supporters. Even I know a few who voted for her in the primaries and wished they hadn't.

If McCain wins in 2008 then look to the Democrats to play it very safe in 2012. It won't be with Clinton or Obama, either. It will be a take no risk kind of nominee. Evan Bayh, maybe.

[wanpete]

31. Bayh is like a piece of air-no smell, no taste, no soul. He won't inspire a person to do anything,

much less vote for him.

[Mz Pip]

37. But he is safe

and after this mess that's what people will go for. No one will want anything controversial in 2012. It doesn't have to be Bayh; his name just came to my mind as someone who won't be controversial in any way.

[JTFrog]

50. He's controversial to this democrat.

He's voted along the same republican lines that Clinton and Lieberman have.

He is just another war mongering, religious pandering dlc tool.

[Beregond2]

30. He "heard speculation."

Gee, that was worth posting.

[wanpete]

32. Yep, there's definitely a buzz in the air with the dem leaders. Something's up. They are

leaking stories like this. They don't like what they are seeing and have finally figured out that it is hurting us badly. I think we will be seeing some movement soon.

[rainbow4321]

36. Ditto....

Me thinks the SD floodgate is starting to ever so slowly creak open.

Interesting that the governor (superdelegate) of Oklahoma, one of the few states that HRC won, has announced he is now supporting Obama. Kinda odd that he would go against his state voters, no? Word may have spread to the SDs. End this. Now. Even if you have to do the opposite of what your state residents have done.
I say we hear 2-3 SD going for him each day until NC and Indiana and then the floodgates open wider.

She'll be giving a concession speech by (picking random date) May 10th.

[wanpete]

39. I so hope that you are right. I feel something's up because of these stories. Nancy P also said

again today that there will be no "unity" ticket. Something's up. See headline story on Huffington Post. I pray that this will all end on 5/6. From your keyboard to God's ears!

[SwampG8r]

108. the 10th is perfect

i have a dophin tournament on that day and the perfect topper would be her concession

[Barack_America]

34. Yeah, it was impossible to figure this out months ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4718352&mesg_id=4718352

[rainbow4321]

33. So he basically JUST heard what we have been saying for months here at DU??

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:


YA THINK, guy????

[depakid]

40. He's full of crap

The Clintons want back into the Whitehouse now, not in 2012.

Does he really think that if (or when) Obama loses the GE, that many in the party aren't going to point their fingers at the Clintons, just like he is doing?

[Why Syzygy]

41. Hell, yeah! They are in touch for once!

[Skwmom]

42. Hey Hillary and Bill, do you hear that loud sucking sound (Hillary I know you don't remember

Perot and his "silly" charts and his discussion of how NAFTA would cause a loud sucking sound as US jobs were lost) but I think you'll remember this loud sucking sound - it's the sound of your hopes for EVER winning the presidency going down the drain. Poor Bill, you will never get your third term b/c you will NEVER get enough black voter support to win the White house (and those black voters will be joined by MANY white,Asian, Native American, and Hispanic voters who find your actions REPREHENSIBLE and who have waited a lifetime to support a candidate like Obama).

The Clintons have put the Democratic Party in a very perilous position. If Obama does not win in November, the Democrats will LOSE the solid black voter block that they have relied upon for so many years (and this means that they will be in the MINORITY as they lose senate and house seats). The Republicans will hammer home to black voters that the Democratic Party leadership remained silent while the Clintons and their thugs thrashed Obama and that is the reason that he lost. I'm sure a documentary on the subject matter will be forthcoming. The Clintons playing the race card and then accusing Team Obama of playing the race card b/c they put together a memo citing all the times the Clintons paid the race card should go over like a lead balloon. Hmmm... I wonder how the Hispanic voters are going to view this (especially the young Hispanic voters). I think they'll start to wonder "if the Democrats were willing to throw the blacks under the bus, how will they treat us?

The Clinton Legacy. Who would have thought that it could be further tarnished?

Coming to a theater near you: The Clintonzillas and the Destruction of the Democratic Party: Part Deux.

[GoesTo11]

48. Too bad 2012 was too late for her when Kerry was running

Last cycle in 2004, Kerry had to lose so that HRC would have her place in 2008. If 2012 is ok, she could have campaigned for Kerry in 2004 and not worried about his 2 terms before she could run.

[politicasista]

61. Yep n/t

[Raine]

49. FINALLY some are getting it! nt

[StevieM]

51. He's delivering Obama's talking points under the guise of being neutral. A trick Obama has

repeatedly pulled. It's amazing the crap that the media lets him get away with.

Steve

[JTFrog]

54. Another opposite day in HillaryWorld

:crazy:

[SwampG8r]

109. everyday is opposite day in hillary world

shes smart
young
and loved by the american people there

[yardwork]

59. Clyburn is nobody's tool. You're not from around South Carolina, are you?

[Tom Rinaldo]

55. Intentionally misleading OP Title

It is presented as if that is a quote of Clyburn's own expressed opinion, but of course it wasn't. It is Clyburn quoting someone else's speculation while commenting that this is the type of thing some people are saying. And of course he is right about the latter, Obama supporters have been saying that on DU for months. This is a pretty typical manner for the Obama campaign to make a hit on Clinton; indirect with plausible deniability.

[yardwork]

62. No. Clyburn is the one who quoted the others. That's a common way of communicating in the south.

Believe me, this is big. Clyburn is a highly respected African American representative from South Carolina. He didn't get where he is without being incredibly shrewd. Nothing he says is accidental. When Clyburn says, "Some people say..." he means "This shit has to stop. Now."

Prepare for an avalanche of public disapproval against the Clintons. They have lost the support of the African American southern politicians. They are in big trouble.

[whistler162]

100. Rep. Clyburn said it better than KO did....

but it is basically the same.

Someone, a friend would be best, needs to take them into a backroom and explain to them in simple words that they are destroying their reputations and hurting the Democratic party. Repeat until it sinks into their thick skulls!

[Eurobabe]

56. Hillary's pact with the debil McInsane

makes sense, she's determined to "bloody Obama up" in NC. :puke:

[Diane R]

92. Yes, and the anti-Obama RNC ad is timed to only benefit Hillary. Just sickening.

[Stop Cornyn]

57. This is the most reasonable explanation for running a campaign so negative that it is hurting both

candidates, and -- specifically -- hurting her more than him.

[invictus]

58. K & R

[BlueStater]

60. You people are so full of shit

Enjoy your Clinton conspiracy theory. You are now slightly closer to being right-wingers.

[yardwork]

64. Are you referring to Representative Clyburn?

I hope that you aren't campaigning for any southern Democrats. You just lost.

[BlueStater]

68. I'm refering to him and all the people in this topic n/t

[frylock]

95. another respectable dem to put on your DTM list..

you guys are gonna run out of party players to hate on.

[Stop Cornyn]

73. “Scurrilous” and “disingenuous” were James Clyburn's words about Hillary's campaign

[politicasista]

63. K&R

:kick:

[Saturday]

65. James Clyburn really needs to come out for Obama

and quit pretending he is trying to be neutral while bashing the Clintons at every opportunity. The man isn't even believable anymore.

[Zachstar]

67. Perhaps but unlikely.

Clinton is not dumb enough to try that in the Internet age.

[McCamy Taylor]

69. This was the premise of "John Edwards is a loser" Did that also come from Obama?

[delt664]

75. No suprise there.

I have been thinking this since Hillary's endorsement of McCain. She has realized she cant win, and is just trying to sabotage her opponent so she doesnt have to run against an incumbent Democrat.

Can you think of anything more posionous to the Democratic party?

[Stop Cornyn]

78. She's been spreading so much poison that she's become toxic herself

[workinclasszero]

79. "But they’re hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win”

Yup I figure since Super Tuesday, Hillary has been working for the rethuglicans and Mccain.

Its so obvious what Hill and Bill are doing. They want to destroy any chance Obama has in the GE so Hillary gets another shot in 2012.

They are using race and economic status to divide and destroy the democratic party and the Republicans will be the beneficiaries of it all.

[Utopian Leftist]

80. COULD BE?

"Obama holds a sizable lead in delegates won in state-nominating contests which could be hard for her to overcome."

Could be? COULD BE??? When the hell is the media finally going to pick up on the true meme: that the ONLY possible road for her is with the superdelegates? All this "could be" nonsense is just clouding the issue and they damn well know it.

[juno jones]

81. And I ask again:

What about the supreme court? I thought all this fuss about electing a dem no matter what was about the supreme court, Roe v Wade and all that. But she's willing to damage this race so McCain can win. So she can then run in 2012.

...And Hillary throws women's rights under the bus just because she wants to be president SO bad. That should play well to that feminist base of hers.

Thank Gods my tubes are tied.

[Az_lefty]

85. what many of us have been thinking....

if the Clinton's can't have it their way they'll break all the toy's.

[Major Hogwash]

93. Clyburn is on Olbermann tonight!!!

Don't miss it!

This is important.

[Bensthename]

96. Her first goal is to make him unelectable this Nov. Not sure if she would run again though..

[David Zephyr]

98. It's obvious. She's looking at 2012 and wants to bloody up Obama now.

Anyone who has any loyalty to our Party should see them as what they are: crass opportunists who have put their own ambitions above our poor nation.

[Beacool]

110. This is as much B.S as his claim that he's "uncommitted".

Please...............

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

111. Clyburn speaks for me

:kick:

[azmouse]

112. Kicked because this just can't be said enough.

[EffieBlack]

113. Kicking

[Two Americas]

114. weakness, projection, and denial

The fact that such a thin piece of evidence is grabbed to reinforce some wishful thinking and strengthen a vicious and divisive campaign of pressure and hatred directed at the Clinton campaign and Clinton supporters, as well as the compulsion people feel ti repeat and repeat the same simplistic and moronic themes, so that hundreds of echos are needed to whip up the belief in the fantasy, betrays a growing weakness in the Obama campaign and among his supporters.

It is only when people know on some level that the themes are not the truth, that they feel the need to so aggressively repeat them thousands of times and in such inflammatory and simplistic ways. That is not persuading anyone, so that cannot be its purpose. The only purpose could be a futile and doomed attempt to make something true that is not true, not for the sake of producing any real results, but rather to resolve an internal conflict in the supporter's mind - create and continually reinforce a comforting myth so as to avoid acknowledging harsh reality.

Notice how many people say "it is true!! It really, really really is true!!! Clinton IS all that is evil in the world!!!" That is an obvious attempt to convince themselves, not others. If it were actually the truth, it would not be in such doubt - as revealed by the behavior of those claiming it to be true. It is what people desperately want to be true, and now have all of their hopes, dreams, beliefs, and frustrations and anxieties attached to this manufactured truth.

This campaign is fracturing the party and driving it right off the cliff. I think this is a necessary and inevitable thing, and that much good can come from it. The harder these campaign themes are pushed by Obama supporters, the sooner the inevitable collapse and re-organization and re-alignment of the Democratic party.

[Catherina]

117. Thank you for delivering the message Rep. Clyburn n/t

[jackson_dem]

118. Clyburn is playing the race card for Obama--just in time for the NC primary

If Clinton could not win in 2008 with the considerable assets she started with she won't be able to win in 2012. She must know this. There will be no Clinton candidacy for president in 2012 unless she is running for re-election.

[JeanGrey]

119. Knew it all along. The Clintons are such poison, I can

hardly wait until they are GONE FOR GOOD.

[JCMach1]

120. Oh please, since when does a divisive primary fight propel

you to the next election cycle...