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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:54 PM
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The Democrats Have a Nominee
The Democrats Have a Nominee

By DANIEL HENNINGER
April 24, 2008; Page A11


So what?

Other than ensuring the Greatest Show on Earth will continue, does it matter that Hillary Clinton defeated Barack Obama Tuesday in Pennsylvania by nine-plus points? Barack Obama is the nominee.

No matter how many kicks the rest of us find in such famously fun primary states as Indiana and South Dakota, it's going to be McCain versus Obama in 2008.

I believe the cement set around the Clinton coffin last Friday. The Obama campaign announced it had received the support of former Sens. Sam Nunn of Georgia and David Boren of Oklahoma.

Both are what some of us nostalgically call Serious Democrats. They represent what the party was, but is no more: sensible on national security, spending and middle-class values. Obama receiving their imprimatur is like hands reaching out from the graves of FDR, JFK and LBJ to announce: "Enough is enough. This man is your nominee. Go forth and fight with the Republicans." Make no mistake: Superdelegates with sway took notice.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120899521565139921.html?mod=todays_columnists
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:57 PM
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1. Ouch, thats gonna leave a mark!
:thumbsup:
:hi:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 PM
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2. interesting!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 PM
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6. What's interesting is that Henninger is giving a ruling class point of view on the race
It is hard to overstate how fatigued Democratic donors in Manhattan and L.A. got during the Clinton presidency to have Bill and Hillary fly in, repeatedly, to sweep checking accounts. The Lincoln Bedroom rental was cheesy. Bill's 60th birthday gala (tickets $60,000 to 500K) was a Clinton fund-raiser. The 1996 John Huang-Lippo-China fund-raising scandal pushed Clinton contributors toward a milieu most didn't need in their lives. Hillary's 2007 Norman Hsu fund-raising scandal was an unsettling rerun of what the donor base could expect from another Clinton presidency.

It was all kind of gross, but the Clintons never seemed to see that. When Obama proved he could perform this most basic function in politics, it was a get-out-of-jail-free card for many Democrats. For some, this may be personal. For others, it is likely a belief that the party's interests lie with finding an alternative to the Clinton saga. One guesses this is what Sam Nunn and David Boren concluded.

I am one of those leftists to which issues like war, peace, and economic justice take precedence over everything else.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:18 PM
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12. Me too.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:24 AM
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19. yes
(I like your bumper sticker!)
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 PM
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3. Yes they do now we are just trying to pay off Hillary's debt
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:01 PM
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4. Somebody with clout needs to get inside Bill Clinton's ego
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:10 PM by tularetom
and beat into his thick skull that Hillary ain't gonna be the nominee this year. And if the two of them don't knock this shit off right fucking now, she will be lucky to keep her senate seat after 2012.

And don't even THINK about undercutting Obama so that you can be the nominee in 2012. The word "Clinton" will be lower than whale shit among Democrats if that happens.


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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:09 PM
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9. I do have to wonder about that
I think she well have a challenger from the left in 2012 because of this. Whether or not that person wins is another issue, but she is going to pay a price, and I am really saddened that she reduced herself to that level.

She was actually growing on me for a while, but she had already become a pretty low choice for me by the time Edwards dropped. Slightly under 1/2 of the reason I went with Obama is because I was having a hard time even watchimng her on TV.

Don't get me wrong, If she had a chance of winning and became the nominee I would have voted for her. Ifind find her and Bill's antics so disturbing now, I would have a pained time voting for her. LKuckily, enough other Democrats feel the same way, so the issue will be avoided.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:11 PM
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10. I think the Left should challenge Hillary in 2012
and retire her from politics for good. There are many good progressive Democrats in New York that can step up to the plate, particularly after what the Clintons have done to help McCain.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:18 PM
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11. No link, no proof
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:19 PM by Donna Zen
I don't think that Senator Clinton will be running for the Senate in 2012. The seat was a way to presidency; it was never the end in itself. The Clintons will stay involved but without the day job.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 PM
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5. That's definitely bookmark-worthy. Send it to Republicans too, that are disaffected...
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:03 PM
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7. Excellent article, thanks for posting it. K & R. n/t.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 PM
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8. K & R
:thumbsup:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:59 PM
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13. A very good, honest article.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:00 AM
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14. And we *heart* the WSJ again.
Simple as that.

And now for the make-up sex...
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:05 AM
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15. Like he said, in such a close race, the bottom line is money. It is clear which candidate wins that.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:12 AM
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16. I thought the same thing when I heard it, thank God they agree with
most of us out here that Obama is to be our Nominee how ever you try not to believe Hillary has lost already.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:15 AM
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17. This needs to be said over and over again. Obama is our nominee.
Clinton needs to be marginalized then ignored. She is being played by the RW in order to weaken Obama and she goes right along because of vanity and power.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:01 AM
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18. Hey Indiana Green!
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 11:01 AM by Psst_Im_Not_Here
:hi: Just wondering where you are in Indiana and what your take is on Obama in your area? I have friends and family in Ft. Wayne, Kokomo, Marion, Indy, Bloomington and the New Albany areas. Yep friends and family living top to bottom in the Hoosier state. I get their impressions and was wondering what yours are so far. I don't have anyone who lives in the Northwest areas or the southwest areas. But hubby's company is based out of Evansville.
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