I find myself angry and mean spirited towards Clinton. I know rationally I should

[Pisces]

just take the race in stride and let the game play out, but I am pissed. I am seeing red. I want Obama to obliterate her. I think I am more pissed because I feel cheated and betrayed by Hillary. I supported her and her husband through the 90's and at the beginning of her campaign. I feel pissed that I was so duped by the Clintons and disgusted with her tactics. Maybe that is why I am so mad, she totally let me down. I will never forgive her and I want her gone. I don't even think she will retain her Senate seat.

I have taken this personally, because I was fully invested in the Clintons when the vast right wing conspiracy was trying to bring Bill down. These are not the people I defended.

I have posted some hateful things about Hillary here recently and I can not stop myself. I am enraged to the point that bile comes to the back of my throat with the thought of voting for her. I won't do it.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[Egnever]

1. You are not alone

[ossman]

2. Me too. She is the enemy unfortunately. Oh well. My rabid GOP aunt and I have lots to talk about!

[DJ13]

3. Although I was never a Clinton supporter (I voted Perot in the 90's)

I know you speak for a large number of Democrats.

:hi:

[KSinTX]

14. Perot in '96 for me too!

Followed by Nader in '00 and Kerry in '04. Then again, being in Texas it doesn't really matter if I wrote in Paris Hilton and the Republicans were running a one-legged dog named Tricky. Old Trickster would get all 32 of our electorals!

[BeatleBoot]

4. And she let's it all just roll off her shoulders

As she should.

She's been through it all before.

Actually, it's kind of old reading these kind of posts on DU.

:boring:

[cliffordu]

9. That's cool - you won't have to read them much longer...

By the way - will you be going your way when she steps down, or will you hang out until after the General Election??

I figure the more - uh, 'excited' of the Clinton's supporters will go their way when the hammer falls.....


:patriot:

[cliffordu]

5. I don't hate Hillary. I fucking hate what she'd done and the way

she has acted though...And Bill, too. What a fucking loss.


I would have an EXTREMELY difficult time putting those two back into the white house.

[Cosmocat]

39. I have always said the reason the Rs hate Bill/Hill ...

is that they play THEIR game, and beat them at it ...

IF that was the only option, to have Hill get into a mudfight to bring the white house back to the Ds, then fine ... But, we, not only the party, but the COUNTRY have a better option ... And, have the chance to move on from Rovian style politics, at least in some measure, with BO ...

Fact is, Hill WAS running a fairly high minded campaign ... When she was the clear front runner ... But, in January, when it BO started to become a viable opponent, she started to shift toward scorched earth mode, and as her hole has become deeper, the more she has just totally fallen into that mode ...

At this point, having turned this nonsense on a fellow Dem, and one who has so consistently in turn taken the high road, I am S I C K and tired of it ...

[Cha]

6. Right..she is so

not alone. It is personal..it's our country and she's screwin' it.

[xchrom]

7. and while not being a hill supporter -- that is exactly how i feel about obama. nt

[Pisces]

10. Why, how has he betrayed you?

[Lilith Velkor]

53. "Wellstone was a gadfly"

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

106. Usually where the conversation ends, sadly.

He's inexperienced yet he has a long history of distrustful deeds!

:wtf:

[Eurobabe]

8. You aren't alone

When this all started, I was more than willing to listen to Hillary. But as this has dragged on, and she has pulled her shenanigans, I have found myself really not liking her at all.

I don't trust her, I think she has a personality disorder -- god only knows we have had a whacko in the WH for almost 8 years, we sure as hell don't need another one!

[patrice]

11. Please don't be hateful; it gives others the excuse to reject what you say.

Just plainly tell the truth. It's hard to live up to the model that Obama sets, but it can be done as long as we tell the truth without including personal insults.

For example: Hillary Clinton voted in support of the IWR ***because*** she needed to be able to say that she is tough when she was ready to run for pResident. She voted to allow the possibility of killing thousands and thousands of innocent people, because she planned to be a candidate for the pResidency.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. I feel your pain. It's just so hard not to despise her with a passion.

[durrrty libby]

13. I look forward to reading that you actually exploded. Woohoo for compost

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[ClayZ]

15. I am feeling the same way!

I get so mad at the pundits that I yell at them.

I have more that 40 people on my ignore list.

I am dumbfounded that people can not see her.

It is almost the same as it was with bu$h.

I feel like a fool yelling "FIRE" in a room full of people causally getting ready to roast marshmallows. Trouble is I know they will get burned. Just like I was right about bu$h.

ARGH

[Snarkoleptic]

16. Hillary gives me that "Not so fresh feeling" .

The Richard Mellon Scaife thing blew my mind.
And then there's Limpballs "Operation Chaos".
And then there are the "experience" campaign ads she made for grandpa McSame.
Don't forget the Fox news perpetual hatched job on Obama (oddly leaving Hilly intact).
As if we need more ammo, there are the "obliterate Iran" comments, which were blatant pandering/fund raising attempts.
Can we not establish the fact the the RW is supporting and would rather run against Clinton.
The more the establishment forces of status quo push back on Obama, the more I want him to win!

She and her supporters have no clue that they're being played by the repugs.
She's tired and falling into the repuke pitfalls...best for her to go home now.

[ballinchain6]

17. Now you know how we feel about Obama and his thuggish hipster cult following

[Kurovski]

20. I was gonna ask "who's we"?

And I was answered by a tombstone.

[JeffR]

49. "We" - I'm guessing - are the legions of mainstream Murkans

who despise that beatnik Obama, he of the sharp threads, reefer madness and young followers jitterbugging, sniffing glue, and ruining Murka. Hopped-up kids on a one-way joyride to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111

[Kurovski]

55. So, how does that Obama stay so skinny?

Huh? I suppose if I took some goofballs and marijauna all day long, the weight I gain at Mcdonalds would all go away from all the illegal drugs into the tiolet!!Thats how he is so skinny!!

No thank you, americans JUST SAY NO, and I'm gonna stay fat if I hafe to and far from the drugs and close to the SaviourLord Jesus!!!!!!!!11 Whats wrong with people that they can't see things already in the first place!????

"Muslims, muslims, aye-yie-aye!!"

[JeffR]

56. "He can't win, Kurovski! He can't win!"

[Kurovski]

58. None they can win!!!!!!11!!

I'm writing Pat Bukanin in my bAllot this spring!!!

[JeffR]

66. Bukanin totally gets it.

And his sister Baked is teh hawt!

[Kurovski]

67. Her name is Bayt. Bayt Bukanin.

She is nice& pretty, to! Her brother knows the things about race problems in are country, to.He will make a fine president. Not so good as President Bush, but he will hafe his very good points you can count on that!!!!!

[JeffR]

68. Bush will help him find Gawd.

And Putin's soul and the WMDs too.

[Kurovski]

70. I think you are kidding with me know.

You dont spell God right.:mad: If you can't vote for the candidate who will really help you then I cant do anything to help you either. Don't you know logic!!

[JeffR]

72. Busted! Damn.

:yoiks:

[Kurovski]

75. This is why the demicrat party is loosing things.

you are never nice the way you are supossed to be.youshould go wurship your obama statue , and that is one that you will loose!!!if you had sense you would vote for your Clinton candidate who can be nice over the isle in congress to Bush!!!That would make sense, but noo, you dont want sense do you!!!!!!we wont talk now anymore because of you!!! You are just like the other lying obama liars who listen to his hate america muslim lies!!! I am sad for you!!!!that is why we are seeing youloose!!!! It is YOU and it is also your jesus H Obama talking mems!!!!

[JeffR]

77. Must Break Free of Obama Mind Control Cult.

Sorry, can't do it.

[Kurovski]

78. You will see and be sorry then!!

I heard in the news from a jewish newsman Stewert that Obama will make you a slave now!!!!I'm trying to help you because you are American to!!Why cant you see this!! Think of ALL Americans when you vote! Iam sorry I yelled but you have to do the best thing for you!!1

[JeffR]

80. No. The ice caps are melting and I want my pony, dammit.

:P

[Kurovski]

83. That is your crazy Obama talking mems that I can't understand.

:P

[JeffR]

84. Here, have a reefer and listen to some jazz while you sip a latté

There now. Are you starting to see the big picture? I'll ask Obama to give you a pony too.

[Kurovski]

87. That is why you make me not talk to you anymore.

you dont listen to american music and drink french milk,but that is okay because we are all Americans in this except maybe the kennedy's who are Irish nazis working for A United Nations in NewYork, just like everyone already knows.

But because you listen to different music and have a drug problem that needs the help of prayer, taking drugs,you can still voteClinton who will help are soon done president keep terror from our shores. We can do good things for are buetiful America if you will help ,but I don't know if I can help you anymore to see this because I have to do work thaT i was supposed to do 2 hours ago.

[JeffR]

89. Sounds to me like this forum is getting to you. Step away

and your reasoning and spelling skills will magically return. I'll let you know about that pony despite the mean things you've said about Obama.

[Kurovski]

90. stop saying i dont like black people because I do. They are people to,like Tiger Woods is.

[JeffR]

91. Well, with that attitude, maybe you'd better ask Tiger Woods

for that pony. Don't hold your breath!

[Kurovski]

92. And now the nice peaceman liberal wants sufacation for me!!

This is the meaning of a hippocrite that is soooo perfect and everyone with common sense knows it now!!! You are full of NO-SENSE because i never said I wanted a pony but you are ready to have a peace-rally and kill me over a pony i never said I wanted to have at all!! Everyone can see that is crazy!!

[JeffR]

93. I'm sorry, MagsDem

Please forgive me.

[Kurovski]

102. That's "Mr. Vo-do-dee-oh pants", to you, buster.

[JeffR]

103. Whoop-de-dooh-dah-day

ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long

[Kurovski]

104. Sho-wap-doo-wap

shimmy-shimmy-ko-ko-bop!

[JeffR]

108. I knew we could find common ground

on the dance floor!

[Kurovski]

111. And now we can see your gay agenda is here now!! What a suprize that is!!! Not!!

I can never have anything else to do anymore because of all the praying i have to do to keep my country safe from all these things!!!How do you people have all these things that make me so mad?? I always have to ask Jesus to forgive you because you won't ask him for yourself, and so i always have to ask lord God FOR YOU??

It is like Jesus welfare. I have to do allyour praying for you, and I am tired of it. You always want your welfare and pot roasts, and free shoes

[JeffR]

112. Wait!

Do you hate me because I have a fabulous dress sense or natural rhythm?

This is all so confusing, MagsDem.

[Kurovski]

113. You are not supposed to wear dresses if you are a man! Who will vote for your candidate

if you keep putting on girls cloths?? that is why obama lost in the polls if he says you should wear dresses. dont you ever think of these things for yourself anymore??

I will have to add to my list a prayer that your own hate that you show to us will stop. HAHA.

And all the people that WOULD have voted for obama the camel-keeper if YOUR own hate didn't make you wear dresses to make people mad, will not vote for osama hussain ladin anymore anyway.

so how do you like it when i start talking like you do to everyone?? does it make you want to vote for Bukanin?? NO it DOESNT. so now you can see what I mean about you!! If you act this way NO ONE will vote for obama of araybia.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

99. Damn, You are good.

~you dont listen to american music and drink french milk,but that is okay because we are all Americans in this except maybe the kennedy's who are Irish nazis working for A United Nations in NewYork, just like everyone already knows.~

ROTFL!

[Kurovski]

107. It is good to see someone hear who can take the time to understand these things.

and not always be trying to tell me things that I can see with my own eyes that are not true!!! Thank yuo!! you are this...:patriot: so I will give you that picture and salute you.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

109. Thank You kindly, Salute back to You!

:patriot:

[CoffeeCat]

21. What finally tipped me into Obama's camp...

...after supporting Edwards---was his expertise on the Constitution and his commitment
to the our democracy--as a Constitutional Scholar who taught law for a decade at the University
of Chicago. I like his stance on restoring Habeas Corpus and his insistence on closing Guantanamo
and ending illegal wiretaps.

I'm not following anyone. Nor am I a part of a cult.

Got any more empty, vapid one liners you want to throw out there? Any more movements--comprised of
millions of Americans--that you want to insult and mis-characterize?

[PassingFair]

45. OK, but you ARE a "hipster"....

:hi:

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

101. What sealed the deal for me was when Hillary said

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/30/no-chitchat-between-clint_n_83746.html

SEN. CLINTON: Well, Chris, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out. And I look forward to shaking his hand when I see him at the debate in California.
end.


That was when I knew something was seriously fucked up about Hillary. Never liked her before, just didn't know how fucked up she is. I've hopped from Kooch to Edwards, now Obama.

[TankLV]

46. Eveytime obama opens his mouth, he disgusts me more.,..

but you can't go against the "obamaunderground" aparently...

[calmblueocean]

85. When did you invest in Obama?

That's what this post was about, the feeling of betrayal that comes from supporting someone who turns against you. I and lots of others supported and defended Hillary for months and months. I still will make myself vote for her if she's the nominee.

Clinton supporters don't have any such story. They supported Hillary when she started, they support her now.

And now I'm a "thuggish hipster", too? Gee, thanks.

[CoffeeCat]

18. Many, many people are disgusted with her...

Not just online, but in real life.

I'm a delegate in Iowa, and I've had many, many conversations with Democrats and I
can tell you that there are plenty of people who are sickened by Hillary.

I never liked her politics, but you know what--I'm not ashamed to say that I completely
detest her. Completely. I can't even stand to see her face or hear her voice.

I did not used to feel this way. She earned this contempt.

Like you, I stood up for the Clintons in the 1990's. I adored and revered the Clintons.
I defended Bill through Monica, and I was loyal through it all. I wrote columns supporting
the Clintons, and I even met Bill Clinton and gave him some of my editorials. He wrote
me a nice letter, and it's framed and hanging on my wall.

I didn't leave the Clintons, they left me. And now, they have become completely detestable,
dishonorable people.

It's tragic, but it's their own fault. I'm not going to spend one minute waxing nostalgic
for the Clintons that I loved in the '90's. Those Clintons sold out and are long gone.

Besides, they'll be spinning, lying and generating chaos bright and early tomorrow--with each
day worse than the next.

[WillyToad]

19. Anger and disillusionment is easily manipulated...

...and poisons the moral integrity of those who fall under it's spell

[Kurovski]

23. It's just feelings. If you don't express them, then you get the poison.

Have them, express them, let them go.

Hang on to them, make decisions based on them, and then, yes, it screws you up.

Love can poison people too, if they don't let go, if they try to hold it in place as a "thing", if it isn't free, or if it's suppressed.

You can be manipulated by suppression of frustration and anger just as readily.

[WillyToad]

26. Factor in a pack mentality, and it metastasizes into hatred...

Nothing whatsoever healthy about it.

It has fueled the republican party for years and has turned them into a rabid pack of hateful bigots.

[CoffeeCat]

24. What?

Anger is a normal, human reaction to many things.

Are you saying that people who are angry are somehow "immoral"?

That sounds like the philosophy of someone repressing on all four cylinders--who eventually
ends up with an addiction or an ulcer--or both.

You'd have to be part of the Borg, to not be angered by Hillary's stunts.

She spent the entire day claiming that she's ahead in the popular vote.

[WillyToad]

27. Hate is the result of a failure to think...

...No thought necessary when your primative emotions do your thinking for you...

[durrrty libby]

38. "You'd have to be part of the Borg, to not be angered by Hillary's stunts."

You'd have to be a Pavlovian rodent riddled with maggots to to swill back the BO stink-aid

[dionysus]

54. to quote bob dylan

"I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you"

[Kurovski]

57. Passive-aggression also has roots in suppressed emotions.

You won't even say something out-right, you're dragging Dylan into it.

Dylan isn't having this interaction with DG, you are.

[dionysus]

64. who the hell are you?

i say *plenty* of things outright, what's your problem?

edit: aren't you and that other guy running for DU dogcatcher or some such thing?

[Kurovski]

69. I take it you won't be voting for us then?

My side-line is therapy: five cents. How much do you charge for your services?

[dionysus]

71. i work free of charge, cluttering up the intertubes or whatever they call it

:)

wait... do you guys even have opponents?

[Kurovski]

73. We are our own opponents.

:-) I lied, I work free, too.

Peace!

[dionysus]

79. perhaps I'll gear up an opposition run on The Working Scoundrels Party ticket...

:hide:

[peoli]

22. You sound like a Pisces...

on the right side of the tracks.

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. My sentiments exactly, I just wish the Hill supporters would realize what she is doing. eom

[GetTheRightVote]

28. I share your pain, it is time for her to go, the Clinton's time is over

Let the winner step up and we all know it will be Obama if everyone is honest about it.

[Aloha Spirit]

29. One small quibble--these ARE the same people we defended and voted for in the 90's. But back then,

their sophistry and bile was directed toward a Republican Party that had earned some comeuppance.

[XemaSab]

30. I'm feeling it too

Sometimes I'm angry at her, but most of the time she just makes me feel weary. :(

[verge]

31. She sickens me.

The comment during her speech of "Yes, we will" was simply the last anti-Obama jab I care to hear from her. She's absolutely no clue that she will need the same people she insults, demeans, and ridicules to vote for her if she WINS the nomination. I, for one, won't have anything to do with that. Nothing.
She's become the lowest common denominator reaching for the lowest-hanging fruit to pick. In this case, it's her own party's loyal followers that dare to believe in something other than her.
I believe if I vote for her only out of party loyalty that it chips away at what I believe the Democratic Party is about in the first place. I'd much sooner be happy Independent than an unhappy Democrat in the General Election. Hell... I'm not even overly-happy with our Party now! :)

[Rageneau]

32. The Clintons have not changed. Their "supporters" have.

Today, the same people who were furious about Monicagate are posting on DU saying Hillary doesn't deserve to be President because she didn't leave Bill. Here on DU, I now see posts that I used to see only on Free Republic (and still do.) I saw those same things being said about the Clintons all through the 90s and now I see them here.

The Clintons were the same Clintons when the Freepers were saying those nasty things about them as they are when ertswhile "Democrats" say them today. Those charges were bullshit then and they're bullshit now. All the supposed racist and Republican statements attributed to Hillary are nothing but spin and politics-as-usual to grown-ups. She has not said a single thing that cannot be justified by discussion or, on one occasion, attributed to an honest mistake (the same kind all people make.)

Wingnuttery is wingnuttery. Paranoia is paranoia. Hatred is hatred. The Clintons are the Clintons.

None of those things have changed.

[calmblueocean]

86. Spin and politics-as-usual

I think that's the problem.

Neither Bill or Hillary used to go around calling other Democrats elitists, or imply that their Republican opponent was more qualified and capable then their Democratic challenger. When you hear that over and over again, it makes you ask, "Whose side are you on?"

Not all politics have to be Rove-style politics, and I'm saddened that Hillary has chosen the path she has.

[Tesha]

33. Consider this: If Clinton had resigned in (say) 1998, Gore would have served 10 years

as the President of the United States. Instead, we
got Bush, Roberts, Alito, etc...

Tesha

[Harry Monroe]

50. And WHY should he have resigned??

[Tesha]

81. For abusing his office. For *THE SAKE OF THE PARTY*.

To avoid exactly the situation we found ourselves in,
with Gore crippled going into the election and us
getting stuck with eight years of Bush.

But Clintons apparently never let go of power
willingly, even when it's for the greater good.
Bill proved it then and Hillary's proving it now.

Tesha

[Bake]

94. For the record, Bill left office with record high approval ratings.

Al Gore, it pains me to say, ran a lousy campaign in 2000 and still got more votes than Bush, but he left it close enough to steal. Al ran AWAY from the Big Dog; had he done otherwise, he might have been in the White House for two terms.

Saying Bill should have resigned tells me you'd perhaps be more comfortable in freeperville.

Bake

[Tesha]

97. Me. a freeper? That's pretty funny. And popular or not, Clinton...

...created a monumental public relations disaster for the
Democrats in 2000; I'm sorry you can't see that. If, as
perhaps the most carefully-scrutinized President in
history, he had had the good sense to keep his fly
zipped, he might have been a success, no matter how
bad is policies were for Democrats.

But he fell right into the same trap Gary Hart fell into:
thinking he was too powerful to be caught. Wrong!

Tesha

[DemGa]

34. Maybe you should look honestly at the tactics of Obama

He and his campaign have questioned Clinton's honesty since the beginning of the campaign - character assassination. And those right wing attacks Hillary endured? They were used by Obama as a primary reason for his own electability. So Obama essentially sought to profit from those vicious right-wing attacks - that's pretty low-down.

Perhaps you should consider asking why the extreme level of hate directed at Clinton by so many Obama supporters? Obama himself labeled Hillary "polarizing and divisive, calculating, dishonest, etc." This has been a mainstay of the Obama campaign.

I can see it might be hard to look at this, but maybe it was not the Clintons who duped anyone.

[Skidmore]

36. Funny, how Hillary has proven her dishonesty time and time again,

and her willingness not to court disillusioned Republicans but the very architects of the "vast right wing conspiracy" who paid millions to fund that impeachment. The Clintons have proven to be no more than master manipulators peddling snake oil to those who avert their eyes. I'm sick of the Clinton-Bush drama that never ends. Political Groundhog Day.

[Medusa]

37. and both Hillary & Bill have been caught lying on tape

and then denying they said what they said but somehow Obama is the dishonest one? WTF is wrong with the Clinton supporters that they actually believe this crap????

[EnviroBat]

74. Obama never had to question the honesty of the Clinton's.

They've paraded their lies and dirty dealings out into the public light all of their own doing. She's as good as a republican to me at this point. Tragic shame she's got you fooled too.

[calmblueocean]

88. What quotes specifically are you referring to?

I don't recall Obama ever saying Hillary was "calculating and dishonest".

[Jawja]

35. I find myself loathing Hillary Clinton because

our real "enemy," the right wing machine, is helping her destroy the Democratic Party by pushing to keep this going.

Richard Mellon Scaife, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh and the GOP Corporate Media are fighting for a Clinton nomination. They are actively taking sides in the Primary contest of the Party that their mission is to DESTROY. At the moment, they are being successful in using the contest to further that mission.

I am angry at Hillary Clinton because she appears to have sided with THEM in their mission to destroy the Democratic Party by the despicable campaign she is running against Obama.

Why is our enemy fighting so hard for CLINTON?

One has to wonder. Really.

[Harry Monroe]

52. No mystery there.

They've always been for Hillary. It is the only thing that will bring out the Right Wing in large numbers in November to vote against her. It is the 2008 version of the gay marriage issue, a wedge issue to guarantee a huge turnout for the Republican side. McCain is not causing much excitement, but by God, Hillary as a Democratic nominee is their wet dream!! Their visceral hatred of Hillary knows no bounds. Hillary would do well to remember to "keep her friends close and her enemies closer". She is an idiot if she hasn't realized this by now. Richard Mellon Scaife, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, the GOP Corporate Media and their ilk are just biding their time and it will be business as usual for them if she manages to steal this nomination. You think they'll still be supporting her if she is our nominee in November?? Keep dreaming!!

[GoldieAZ49]

40. This primary has been a primer on the lack of respect

More Democratic leaders have been trashed here then I could imagine

There doesn't seem to be any respect for the leaders of the party that have really taken the heat nationally in their stand for democratic principles and values.

I am glad they hold us in higher regard then we hold them.

that doesn't even touch on the hatefulness towards fellow dems here

[Orsino]

41. It's good to have these feelings sorted out.

We are entitled to feel betrayed by every member of Congress who has failed to fight (sufficiently) for our interests. Two senators will be on the ballot in November, neither of which has exactly acted the part of working-class hero.

I can't tell you how to feel, but I hope you've mustered even more vehemence against Senator McCain, who has consistently undermined American families for his entire political career. Set aside, if you can (at least in part), the relatively recent betrayal you perceive, and work to send home the Republican with decades of real betrayal under his belt.

We should channel as much of that rage as possible into positive action, to make the next president the best s/he can be. For us.

[backscatter712]

42. Hillary earned our anger.

She earned our mean-spiritedness.

Revel in it.

Hillary needs to be tarred, feathered and run out of the Democratic party on a rail.

Same with anyone who approves of her tactics and lies.

And I make no apologies for saying it.

[redqueen]

43. You're not alone.

Not by a longshot.

[TwilightGardener]

44. She should have had the grace and class to exit the race by now.

That she hasn't has earned her my eternal disgust. She's hanging on for pure ego and lust for power now. She's just not a good person. Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee had more class.

[noel711]

47. Much of politics reminds me of 'high school'....

The 'cool' kids were the superstars who were always the center of attention.
Many of them had few redeeming qualities (they weren't always the sharpest knife
in the drawer, rarely did they do anything unless it featured them
and they pandered to authority)-They were always in control of any social setting.

Because of these 'social skills' they were exempt of accountability, even with parent and teachers.

Sadly, in high school, most of the rest of us longed to be part of this 'in crowd,' and ignored the abuse the little people take when allowed in the presence of the chosen few.

I think this analogy applies to Geo. W. Bush, and that's how I see the Clintons these days.
They want to be seen as the 'in crowd.' They have inner knowledge of what the country needs. Because I'm just a few years younger than Hillary, I grew up with lots of people like her. I've tried to see beyond the personna she's carved out for herself, tried to see beneath it all to find the real 'girl.'

But she's missed several opportunities to win me over.
Is she someone I'd want to have lunch with?
Someone I'd want to spend an evening gabbing over a bottle of wine?
Is she someone I could telephone at 3 a.m. with a heartbreak?

(Perhaps this is one woman's equivalent of when guys ask:
"Could I have a beer with this candidate?")

I realize its a bogus preposition... but we still hear that: Is this person for real?

So, my reaction to the strutting smugness that seems to be the 'confidence'
that is touted as her 'electability,' is... I don't care for that style of
leadership. It's so 'high school.'

I guess I want someone smarter than me to be president,
I want someone who isn't in love with the words: "I, Me, Mine.."

This ain't a 'woman' thing. If Elizabeth Edwards ran... I'd sell my firstborn
to support her..

[applegrove]

48. Tight races are hard. Espeicially when we are all on the net and bump up

against each other every day. In the past we would have just been watching the TV which is a little more removed in term of proximity.

[AngryOldDem]

51. You're not alone.

Bill has disappointed me horribly. Hillary -- well, I never really thought much of her anyway, always saw her as the opportunist, the power-grabber; so nothing she's done over these last months has surprised me. I am getting sick and tired, though, of the negativity that seems to have such an impact on people whose very futures depend on an intelligent, informed vote for president. The fact that she seems to hold such people in contempt further erodes my respect for her, as well as her apparent impression of POTUS as an entitlement, not a position of trusted leadership that it should be. Just as I don't trust McCain with the job, I trust her even less.

If the election were held today, I could not bring myself to vote for her. And I know I'm not alone, which is why I am so afraid that the strings she pulls to get the nomination will eventually hang us all. If she does get the nomination, I predict a November ass-kicking that will rival that of Walter Mondale's in 1984. And as I keep hoping with every election where Dems seem to always pull the proverbial defeat from the jaws of victory, maybe THAT will be the wake-up call that this party needs.

[ksoze]

59. you are not alone....Therapy helps many with your condition

if you cannot stop yourself from behavior which is angry, medically bad and ugly, speak to a professional. Venting to the afflicted here as a help group may seem a cure, but you may need other solutions.

[OzarkDem]

60. What did the Clinton's do to you, exactly?

[EnviroBat]

76. Lied directly to our faces on multiple occassions.

But some were too blind/stupid to see it. What did Obama do to you?

[Hepburn]

61. There is NOTHING irrational about hating someone for being..

...a liar and a dirty campaigner and basically an evil monster. I fucking hate her and I make no bones about it. When she loses the Dem nomination, and if she runs for US Sen from NY again, if there is a Dem challenger to her, he/she will get a very large donation from me. I want Hillary gone and completely defeated so she can NEVER rear her ugly head again and try to destroy our party.

JMHO

[ladywnch]

62. ditto. I've been sitting here on a slow burn the last few weeks feeling the same thing

[SeaLyons]

63. Pull yourself together....

She's our next President!!

[liberaldem4ever]

65. I understand how you feel about her

It has just been in the last month or less that I went from saying I would support her if she were the nominee and trying to keep a positive outlook on both of them to really despising her and manipulating lying win at any cost tactics. If she had really had the better ideas on the issues and was the better candidate she wouldn't have to resort to Repub dirty tricks and lying. It's like every day her campaign goes deeper in the gutter to find something new to throw at Obama. I am so so sick of it. Why don't the SDs endorse whoever they support now? What are they waiting for? Each day this goes on is plus for McCain and the Repubs. If Hillary manages to steal the nom from Obama, I think that the Dem party will have serious problems keeping their majorities in Congress, much less winning the White House. It's really gotten to the point where I can't see much difference between McCain and Clinton, especially after the "obliterate Iran" comment. She has made so many RW comments lately that I don't know if she is a Dem or Repub. It seems like every time she attacks Obama or his campaign, she gives McCain a chance to deny whatever it is and he ends up looking more presidential. It's like they are working together. Sorry, this has turned into a long rant, but it has helped get it off my chest. I guess I am just one of many who are frustrated with this. :rant:

[Lucky 13]

82. I find myself daydreaming about attending one of her rallies...

... getting close enough to shake her hand and then flipping her the bird... or screaming in her face "YOU'RE A LIAR"... or pelting her with pointy flag pins...

I know it's childish, but those fantasies keep me from going out and doing it for real.

People ask all the time why we hate on Hillary so vehemently. One word answer: BETRAYAL. I defended the Clintons VEHEMENTLY which caused somewhat of a rift between me and my family. But to them now I am just a latte-sipping, Prius-driving, brainwashed, naive hippy. MoveOn was one of the few groups to support Bill in his time of need. Now they are just crazy, left-wing, radical activists. Loyalty is a one way street to the Clintons. They DEMAND your support, but would throw you off the side of a cliff if it suited them. They operate through THUGGERY and ARM-TWISTING. The way they are constantly vaguely threatening Pelosi and Dean and the DNC and the DCCC? TRAITOROUS. Using Republican smear tactics against a fellow Democrat? BLASPHEMY. Her own behavior and lies? MONSTROUS.

She's no more a democrat than Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller. And they are PIECES OF SHIT disguised as GARBAGE disguised as SLEAZY POLITICIANS.

No wait... she's WORSE than those two, because she's doing more damage.

I have no pity for her. I don't feel bad about hating her. And most days I just wish by some stroke of luck a meteor would fall from the sky and strike her directly in her big yellow head.

Oops. There I go with my daydreams again.

[Bake]

95. You really ought to try Prozac and some counseling ...

That kind of bile is going to poison you just like it's poisoning the Party.

Bake

[mudesi]

96. Welcome to the club

It grows exponentially by the day.

[Beacool]

98. Vent all you want. Obama will not win this election.

Too inexperienced and too controversial for the average American. McCain must consider himself the luckiest guy in the country!!!!

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

100. It's a natural reaction to what is going on. No worries, you're fine.

:hi:

[butterfly77]

105. I feel the same...

I can't believe that I was pulling for her in the beginning, maybe it is good it has gone on this long so that we could all see how D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E she really is and how she will do anything to win.

I have tried to control myself when I am on this board because there are many things I feel like saying as I watch her lie day after day after day...

Last night I felt like someone else on board who said they shot the television as I switched from station to station hearing this so called pundits try to paint Obama as who they want him to be...I couldn't take it anymore and then I turned on the radio and who did I hear but that asshole Lionel..

[Raine]

110. Same here nt

:-(