liberaltrucker
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:24 PM
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To supporters of your candidate who won't vote for the other in GE: |
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Are you fucking crazy??
One acronym: SCOTUS. THAT should scare you into reality. If not, that's a YOU problem.
Carry on, children.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 PM
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1. My dear liberaltrucker! |
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Not to worry about this chickie, kiddo!
I will vote for whoever our candidate is!
Nice to see you tonight...:hug:
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:36 PM
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12. I'll take a clothespin into the booth |
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If Senator Clinton is the nominee. But by God, I'll cast my vote for her.
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Fri Apr-25-08 01:15 AM
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31. I'll bring super-heavy-duty nose plugs into the booth |
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Even if it means I have to vote for an empty suit with a wacko preacher I'll do it for SCOTUS alone.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 PM
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2. I probably would vote for Clinton (holding my nose), but I would no longer be ....... |
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.......a registered Democrat if she manages to steal the nomination.
I would register as an Independant before the GE.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:33 PM
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10. I felt exactly that way. But now I realize I cannot do it. |
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As I posted below, I have some leeway because I live in MA and this state will NEVER go red.
I would not ever encourage anyone in a swing state to not vote for the Dem nominee.
But I WILL leave the Democratic party if Hillary "Boss Tweeds" her way in.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:36 PM
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11. Yeah, my vote wouldnt make much difference, Im in California |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:36 PM by DJ13
I probably would vote for her, but I would hate myself in the morning.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:39 PM
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:28 PM
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These primary wars from 2008 will mean very little to all of us in 2011 or 2012 if there is a President McCain, a fascist Supreme Court, a war in Iran, over 6000 dead Americans in Iraq, an economic depression and $200 a barrel oil. You will all feel rather foolish at that point for having not voted for the nominee because your ego was bruised in 2008.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:28 PM
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4. I agree if you are talking about swing states. |
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I'm in Virginia and while I think Obama has a good chance to win here, Hillary has no chance. It won't make a difference if I vote for her or not here. I would prefer not to given her recent behavior.
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Fri Apr-25-08 12:06 AM
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Obama might have a chance, but no way we go blue if Hillary is the nominee.
I won't say I won't vote for her, but that would be entirely dependent on them letting me into the polling station, considering how drunk I'll have to be to do so.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:29 PM
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5. "Are you fucking crazy??" Apparently they are fair-weather Dems who don't care about the Dem party. |
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 PM
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17. From what I've seen on GDP and other sites |
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There are far too many. "Herding cats"? That'd be us.
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Fri Apr-25-08 04:25 AM
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:29 PM
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6. I have 2 people I'll have to work on |
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My son refuses to vote for Hillary ever again and another friend says he won't vote for Obama. I'm hoping they will both calm down after our nominee is chosen and the focus turns to how awful McCain really is.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:31 PM
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7. CORRECTION: If you live in a non-swing state where a vote against Clinton won't hurt... |
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Such as where I live, Massachusetts, I STRONGLY urge you to make a protest vote against Clinton (if the near impossible occurs and she gets the nomination).
Clinton is a politician who tacks with the wind.
A vote for her is a vote for that strategy. She is a balloon being floated up. If we don't shoot her out of the sky, our precious Democratic party will inch even further to the right than her husband took us.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:38 PM
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14. I'm a Red-stater, thanks for the advice. |
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I'll watch carefully to see what our temperature is before the GE if she's it.
Thanks VERY much, this IS a very real quandry for me. I don't want to be vindictive, but I don't want to betray my own principles either and I cannot vote for someone who voted in support of the IWR because she was planning to run for pResident and needed to be able to say that she is tough.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:43 PM
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16. If I were you, I would vote for the nominee and then pointedly leave the party. |
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Maybe give a donation to the Greens or someone.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 PM
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18. I care about and am active in local organizing. nt |
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:47 PM
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19. That's so important. Where are you at? |
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:49 PM
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23. Kansas. Big metro area, big for Kansas, that is. nt |
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Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 PM by patrice
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:52 PM
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24. Good luck. You see any possibility for a sea change out there? Ever? |
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Fri Apr-25-08 12:03 AM
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28. I live near a large evangelistic bible college that runs this suburban bedroom |
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community. The sum and total of their political awareness is fetuses and flags.
We have had some new Democratic candidates come over from that other party recently, because they were not appreciated there and had differences on the issues. A couple of them have real chances to succeed and Howard Dean's plan is in place in this district and working for them and the other local Democrats.
The rest of the state? I don't think much is going to change until the big depression hits and even then, who they blame will have more to do with timing than with the facts.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:31 PM
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8. Yeah, we'll do it alright, to save SCOTUS, but I'd bet BIG money that she'll |
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bring a Repuglican Congress with her if she wins.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:32 PM
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Tired of voting for the lesser evil. In this case if clinton is the nominee I think voting for her causes more damage long term than it does short.
A vote for clinton in my eyes at this point would validate all of the garbage she has pulled in this campaign including re empowering the DLC to move ahead full steam.
Sorry I wont do it.
I will vote every dem down ticket but Hillary and the penn circus can kiss my ass. thier kind of politics is poison and I will not support it.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:48 PM
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21. So....You'd prefer President McCain? |
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:53 PM
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25. over enabling the clinton crew to steal a dem primary |
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Damn fucking tootin I would. We are allready too far down the path of one party rule fopr my comfort. Enabling clinton would only continue our downward spiral. I will not support her.
If Mcain wins because I didnt vote for president then so be it..
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Fri Apr-25-08 12:13 AM
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30. I agree with your passion (see avitar) |
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Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 12:13 AM by liberaltrucker
BUT, the cold, hard reality is that a McCain Administration would add at least 1, maybe 2 RW justices to SCOTUS. Bye, Roe v Wade. Bye, workers rights.. Hello more corporate privileges.
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Fri Apr-25-08 03:33 AM
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but that assumes a weak assed dem majority. I have more hope in my Dem reps than that.
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:48 PM
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22. What happens if you don't vote for pResident at all? |
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Say you vote for everything else, but you skip that, what happens to the ballot?
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:37 PM
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13. What liberaltrucker said. |
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:47 PM
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20. It's not myself I'm worried about. |
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I will vote for whoever the gets the nomination. I worry about many of the young first-time voters. At this point, many of don't do not have loyalty to either of the parties. Many of my generation were cynical of politics before we were old enough to vote. Obama gave many hope that they could actually make a difference. If the super delegates overturn the decision of the votes it will confirm the former cynicism of many of these votes. They don't view the democratic party as the party of the people but rather the lesser of two evils. To many of them both parties represent entrenched power in a corrupt political system. What better way to confirm that worldview than to give the nomination to the person who lost among the voters? As 2004 should show, young voters aren't all that willing to vote for the lesser of two evils (in their opinion).
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Thu Apr-24-08 11:56 PM
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27. Believe it or not, I was once a young idealist |
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Over time, I learned that political realities are somewhat less than ideal. If Hillary manages to steal the nomination, however unlikely it may be, I'll vote for her. Afterwards use the Netroots to change the system. 512 bit encryption is our friend.
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Fri Apr-25-08 03:55 AM
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33. I will vote for the Democratic candidate |
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Anyone that says they won't really needs to step back and look at the big picture. Yes, you may have serious doubts or even animosity towards our eventual Democratic nominee, but when compared to the further extreme damage McCain could do to our country (the economy, Iraq, IRAN!, health care, corporate welfare, Supreme Court appointments, etc.), those concerns are peanuts.
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Fri Apr-25-08 03:56 AM
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I'm no big fan of Hilary Clinton, but bottom line is, I would take her in a New York minute over John McSame!
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Fri Apr-25-08 04:05 AM
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but If Obama is the nominee I will vote for him. Only because I don't care for MCcain.
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Fri Apr-25-08 04:14 AM
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36. And that is what we all need to do. |
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As has been said, "In the primaries, you fall in love. In the GE, you fall in line."
This country is far too important to me to turn it over to another 4 years of more of Bush-like shit. And believe me, McSame WILL BE more of Bush.
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Fri Apr-25-08 04:21 AM
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37. I probably would be less likely to vote for president |
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verses voting for McCain. Oregon could be a potential swing state given the fact there is a large portion of the state leans Republican. So would I vote for McCain...no. Would I not vote for Hillary, probably not.
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Fri Apr-25-08 04:34 AM
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39. Not crazy, realistic. I know my vote in the GE won't matter, and I might not |
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vote for the Democratic nominee even if it's the one I favor. I'll probably vote Green or something in protest. I live in the reddest state in the nation. If by some miracle, Utah becomes a swing state, then yes, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee whoever that may be. But we all know the likelihood of that happening.
I was so excited to vote in the primary! It was the first time my vote in Presidential election of any kind mattered!!
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