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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:27 PM
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Fair Is Fair
By Geoff Garin
Friday, April 25, 2008


What's wrong with this picture? Our campaign runs a TV ad Monday saying that the presidency is the toughest job in the world and giving examples of challenges presidents have faced and challenges the next president will face -- including terrorism, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, mounting economic dislocation, and soaring gas prices. The ad makes no reference -- verbal, visual or otherwise -- to our opponent; it simply asks voters to think about who they believe is best able to stand the heat. And we are accused, by some in the media, of running a fear-mongering, negative ad.

The day before this ad went on the air, David Axelrod, Barack Obama's chief strategist, appeared with me on "Meet the Press." He was asked whether Hillary Clinton would bring "the changes necessary" to Washington, and his answer was "no." This was in keeping with the direct, personal character attacks that the Obama campaign has leveled against Clinton from the beginning of this race -- including mailings in Pennsylvania that describe her as "the master of a broken system."

So let me get this straight.

On the one hand, it's perfectly decent for Obama to argue that only he has the virtue to bring change to Washington and that Clinton lacks the character and the commitment to do so. On the other hand, we are somehow hitting below the belt when we say that Clinton is the candidate best able to withstand the pressures of the presidency and do what's right for the American people, while leaving the decisions about Obama's preparedness to the voters.

Who made up those rules? And who would ever think they are fair?

I am not making any bones about the fact that our campaign has pointed out what we believe are legitimate differences between Clinton and Obama on important issues. We have spoken out when we thought the Obama campaign made false distinctions, such as when it ran advertising in Pennsylvania on standing up to oil companies, particularly when Clinton was the one who did stand up to the oil companies by voting against the Bush-Cheney energy bill. And we believed it was appropriate to debate Obama's comments about working people in small towns, because they expressed a view of small-town Americans with which Hillary Clinton strongly disagrees.

But throughout that debate, Clinton deliberately focused on the content of Obama's comments without making sweeping statements about his character.

It's an important distinction. The Obama campaign has chosen from its inception not to treat Clinton with the same respect. In fact, the Obama campaign has made an unprecedented assault on her character -- not her positions, but her character -- saying one thing about raising the tone of political discourse but acting quite differently in its treatment of Clinton.


more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042402976_pf.html
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:28 PM
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1. Is Hillary going to cry again?
Just asking.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:30 PM
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2. Oh, so Clinton's Osama Bin Laden ad was JUST about national security
riiiiiigggggtttt :eyes:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:32 PM
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3. I felt sorry for him on Meet the Press
This reminds me of when Gawker posted the plea from Peter Dau, Clinton's internet director, that he had made to liberal bloggers to acknowledge that "they are just as bad as we are! They...um,called us calculating and divisive!"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:36 PM
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9. It's really a waste of time to try and convince someone in the opposition
. . . that their candidate's politics is unfair or out-of-bounds. But, I would wager that, for Clinton supporters, most of these defenses ring true.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:44 PM
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17. I understand that
sorry, I didn't mean to belittle your post or anything . I actually almost posted this myself, after I saw it on Talking Points memo. We are all entitled to our own biased opinions.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:33 PM
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4. Fair is fair.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:33 PM
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6. Shouldn't there be one in there with the 'girlfriend'?
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:34 PM
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7. Yep!
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:50 PM
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24. OMG, some of us are at work! Warn before posting snort-and-cackle-inducing pics!
:rofl:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:43 PM
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16. Wow Hillary looks like a baby there. How long ago was that
pic taken? Where they in the White House yet?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:45 PM
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18. It's her and Vince Foster. I think it was taken in 1992-93
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:33 PM
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5. Hillary Clinton is deeply, grievously, morally wrong
Hillary Clinton is deeply, grievously, morally wrong

Why would anyone try to portray Hillary as a victim? After all, "fair is fair."

Garin's words are a perfect example of Hillary's despicable nature.



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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:35 PM
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8. This will be coming out more and more...
He has run a very scummy campaign, all the while running on "Change" and "Hope". Nothing but an empty hypocritical suit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:39 PM
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12. "He has run a very scummy campaign" Point to "scummy" on Obama's part in Garin's piece.
Something that's worse than Hillary questioning Obama's patriotism and trying to link Obama to terrorists.

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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:36 PM
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10. More Whining
"But throughout that debate, Clinton deliberately focused on the content of Obama's comments without making sweeping statements about his character."

So bringing up Rev. Wright over and over and over is about "issues"? And Ayers too?

They really do think we are all stupid.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:38 PM
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11. goddess forfend that anybody should point out any of obama's negative campaigning.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:39 PM
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13. Hillary's actions have created a terrorist threat to this nation.
She should not be considered for president.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:45 PM
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19. what terrorist threat has SHE brought? what in the HELL are you smoking?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:47 PM
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22. She created the war that is responsible for the primary terrorist threat to this nation.
Why should such a person be considered for president?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:40 PM
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14. The fact is....
the Clinton supporters are going to find fault with everything that comes out of the Obama campaign, and vice versa.

We're all looking through our biased glasses.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:49 PM
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23. so true
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:01 PM
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27. There's finding fault, then there's creating your own reality
"The Obama campaign has chosen from its inception not to treat Clinton with the same respect."

:rofl: :spray:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:43 PM
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15. Hillary Clinton wouldn't bring "the changes necessary" to Washington
But somehow pointing that out is "personal character attack"? GMAFB
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:46 PM
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20. I hate deliberate obtuseness
HRC's campaign invoked 9/11. Enough said.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:47 PM
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21. If fair is fair, then Obama should bring up Monica. eom
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zam Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:52 PM
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25. So the writer of this piece really thought it was just an innocent ad.
Just helpfully pointing out that the presidency is a tough job by showing Pearl Harbor and Osama bin Laden. O, thank you, we just needed the reminder.

Maybe he just forgot that the ad was not made not by an educational institution but by a political campaign on the eve of an important election. And when political campaigns say a positive thing about their candidate, they automatically imply the exact opposite about their opponents.

And for the rest:

Fair is foul, and foul is fair: Hover through the fog and filthy air.


I think this is a very good summary of this piece.
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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:01 PM
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26. isn't this the same Geoff Garin
who's company Garin-Hart-Yang is now push polling in NC?

on wednesday, Obama-backing musician in Black Mountain, North Carolina, David LaMotte, got a phone call from a pollster for Sen. Hillary Clinton, Garin-Hart-Yang, in which negative messages against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, were being tested. interesting read about it in LaMotte's blog entry titled Push Polled in NC by the Clinton Campaign


you can listen to some of the call, which LaMotte recorded here


how low will they go?

gg


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:12 PM
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28. the old push polling charge with someone's phone message tape as evidence
They'll have to do better than that. It an old tiresome trick used to generate outrage.

But you go on . . .
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:15 PM
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29. Here is someone who doesn't believe Garin's characterization of what's fair
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 02:16 PM by ProSense
Major Clinton fundraiser defects to Obama

This should be the beginning of many to come.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:07 PM
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30. kick
:kick:
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