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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:41 PM
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Ask Yourself...
Here we are mired in a decidedly protracted presidential primary contest whose daily droppings are the dietary staple of the corporate media. The relentless 24 hour loop of polished and regurgitated (in that order) bytes are force-fed into the non-reciprocal TV viewing audience’s psyche like so many pre-digested grubs stuffed down a chick’s craw. (That reminds me… I skipped lunch today)
Like baby chicks, the vast majority of the viewing audience swallows the cud whole… only to find ways to spew it out later onto the internet and about our communities in the hopes of converting others to their special diet.

Had enough?

Well, perhaps I maybe mistaken, but we here on DU have been wise to this ‘circular digestion’ process the Corporate Media has forcibly grafted onto the infosphere. We have watched for years as the M$M has sold out the American people out to the interests of its’ corporate masters. We’ve been sold an illegal war based on lies, we’ve been told we don’t need all those ‘pesky’ rights, we’ve been kept in the dark over some of the greatest abuses of power, and all because the Corporate Media has a vested interest in keeping us uninformed and properly manipulated so that the corporate masters can profit every quarter.
I don’t think I have to go into any more details here on this site, we all know the score, and I think we all have had ‘quite’ enough.

So there we were in the first stages of the primary, watching with eyes wide open as the Media did its’ level best to sideline the democratic candidates that could threaten their interests. Kucinich was easy, just ask the right (wrong) questions, limit his speaking time, make sure no one knew how powerful his ideas were, and paint him in caricature. *Poof!*

One threat down.

Edwards was a little trickier. The cameras loved him, he was easy and pleasant to listen to, and he cared as much as any of the other candidates about We The People. That was the problem. Limiting his face time just wouldn’t be enough. He was brushing off attacks on his wealth and success with effortless grace, he was already taking 7% overall exposure and turning it into very high favorable ratings. That simply could not stand. So how to deal with him?

They had to fill the spotlight and create a head-to-head race between two other candidates in order to force him out of the story. It worked. Problem solved.

Two threats down.

Now here we are, and the media has not suddenly done an about-face and decided to become, *ahem*… fair or balanced.

Do we believe that just because the media is gleefully skewering the candidates for every minor foible, that they are ‘doing the job of journalism’? I truly hope that there is no one on DU that is even remotely that naïve. Throwing dirt at candidates is a staple of the sensationalist broadcasting meant to distract from substantive issues. We’ve known that for a while. Do we believe that the M$M is unaware of the record turnout and registration of Democratic voters that spells “D-O-O-M” for McCain and Republicans this fall? Do we think that the media has not selected the candidate they believe will ultimately be more profitable to their corporate masters should the Democratic nominee succeed in defeating Grandpa McCain in November?

Of course not.

Now the interesting part;

“How does one determine which candidate the media, and by incestuous, indirect extension, the Republicans, is trying to push on the Democrats in the interest of forwarding their agenda?”

ASK yourself

“Which candidate has the RW singled out most to attack?”

“Why does the Media continue to insist this is a ‘close race’?”

“If the numbers were entirely reversed, wouldn't we have our candidate by now?”

“Why does the Media rarely discuss exactly what it would take for the gap between the candidates to close?”

“Why is Rush Limbaugh telling Republicans to ‘help’ one candidate stay in the race?”

“Why are DUers posting excerpts from Newsmax, CNS news, Newsbusters, and other notoriously right-wing sites in support of one candidate over another?”

Now, many of those can be answered with the simple explanations involving ratings and the joy that fills Republicans every time blows are exchanged between the candidates, but those don’t explain why we let them get away with it. If you’ve found yourself aligned with those interests who are bound and determined to keep this fight going, you should ask yourself;

“Who am I really helping?”

Most importantly, if from all of the above, even though I haven’t pointed out which candidate falls into these categories directly, you know who it’s about, maybe you should ask yourself;

“Why am I aligned with the Media’s interests, and am I letting myself be fooled again?”

The corporations are very interested in seeing their deregulated status go unchallenged, NAFTA go untouched, and the status quo remain intact. One Democratic candidate is more likely to leave those as is, and they know it.

So ask yourself;

“Can we afford to take the chance that the media’s pick is in the best interest of We The People after all they have done to deceive us?”

One honest answer is all it would take, then we can collectively flip the bird at the media and give them a President they won’t be happy with.

Because we all know that's what we need.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:45 PM
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1. Excellent, Dr. E!
... flip the bird at the media and give them a President they won’t be happy with."

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:49 PM
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4. Personally....
I'd give it about a "6". Not quite enough clarity or poignancy, but I think it gets the point across.


Thanks Nance. Love ya!
:hug:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:00 PM
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15. Point well made ...
... and came across loud and clear!

:hug: back at ya!
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:27 PM
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46. They wanted Obama merely to get rid of Hillary. They figured
that Obama would never win the GE even if he slipped trough the primary. Now they are afraid and don't know what to do because it looks like he might pull off the entire big cheese.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:47 PM
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2. Bang on!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:48 PM
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3. The awesome truth. K& highly R n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:50 PM
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5. Which candidate has the RW singled out most to attack?”
Why, Hillary Clinton.

They even got the fucking federal GOVERNMENT to fund the attacks. The attacks started in 1992, and they continue to this very day. Stil, though, she rises.

How soon we forget....
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 PM
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11. This primary began in 1992? So you fill the criteria by going back 1.5 decades?
Clever...ish.

Thanks for helping.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:05 PM
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19. I answered the question that you asked. And my response was factual.
And more to the point (even though it challenges your thesis)--it's SALIENT.

They've tried since 92 to rip her to shreds, and still, she rises.

Life on this earth, really, truly, did not begin when Obama announced his candidacy. I know Obama's fans see everything through that prism, but the rest of the world...eh, not so much.

You're welcome.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:08 PM
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26. LMAO!!! Cute.
Neither did the media have a choice between attacking Her or Obama back in 1992. The point in the OP is about what's happening NOW.

There really, truly was life after the 1990's. I know Hillary's fans haven't realized that yet, but hey... you'll catch up.

You're welcome!

:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:18 PM
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29. Look, it's not my fault that you write a massive diatribe, yet your
rhetorical questions aren't clear or limiting. It's a bit much to expect people to read your mind.

Proofreading and editing are helpful in that regard if you only want specific and limited input. It's a bit ironic that you get all snarky with your "truly was life after the nineties" remarks, when my point clearly was that the GOP attacks started then, but continued until now. You seemed to have missed that key point that I made in your overeagerness to make a smartass retort.

I HAVE "caught up." I am looking at the full picture--you're not much of a student of history, because you'd look at it too, if you were smart.

See, while the GOP was going after Clinton back in the nineties, Obama was making friends with Antonin Rezko. You don't think that shit isn't going to bite him in the ass? I have a bridge to sell you.

Clinton has taken the hits, from then...until NOW (yes, the present day, well after those nineties, you see) and still...she rises.
Obama, on the other hand, is still a tabula rasa. Wait until they get out their spray paint cans and indelible markers--it's going to be an interesting effort on their part.

You have a nice day, now. You might want to spend less time being snarky or blaming others for your own lack of clarity, there. It's an unattractive trait.

:hi:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:32 PM
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30. Look, it's not my fault that you read a massive diatribe, yet you
failed to recognize the contemporary references in the piece. You don't have to be a mind-reader to see the references to the current primary to figure that out.

Meanwhile, getting all snarky with your "Life on this earth, really, truly, did not begin when Obama announced his candidacy" and then accusing me of being 'snarky' when I responded in kind shows little more than a tentative grasp of irony.

Need editing? Sure, that was a first draft with a read-through. I don't tend to take things so seriously that I spend more than an hour writing a 'massive diatribe'. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Oh, and the 'Rezko' thing... that was in the past. Are you sure you're caught up yet? ;)

I can keep this up all night, sure you want to keep playing?

That'd be nifty.

:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:53 PM
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31. You can keep this up all night, eh? So obviously you ARE just baiting and trolling.
You had no interest in discussion from all corners, with the full flavor of something called CONTEXT (and the political careers/public lives of the candidates ARE context, like it or not). Apparently, you just wanted input from the cheerleading AMEN chorus.

OK, fine.

I was wondering if that was the case. Now I know.

Rezko is in the PAST, you say? Don't speak too soon--that trial is still going, full bore. Who knows what will happen if there's a conviction and Rezko decides he wants to SING to DU's old buddy "Fitzmas" and besmirch his old pals in some fashion in exchange leniency?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/914907,CST-NWS-rezko25.article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko_for_fridayapr25,0,4472918.story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obamarezko-connect.swf,1,3504895.flash
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/912861,CST-NWS-rezko24.article

Go ahead and enjoy the last "nifty" word.

:hi:

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:58 PM
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32. LOL... no,
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 09:01 PM by Dr_eldritch
Your flaming doesn't mean I was 'baiting'.

Normally, when you disagree with something, you shouldn't change the subject and avoid the substantive points... like you've been doing here.

Here, let's see if we can get you on track, or if your only cause was distraction;

"The RW wants Clinton to stay in the race. Why are you on their side?"

;)
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:58 PM
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34. “Why am I aligned with the Media’s interests, and am I letting...
myself be fooled again?”

Just thought I would repost this part of the OP for fun.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:50 PM
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6. Excellent!
K&R!!!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:53 PM
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7. And 200% correct on the mob job they did on Edwards.
"They had to fill the spotlight and create a head-to-head race between two other candidates in order to force him out of the story. It worked. Problem solved."
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:53 PM
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8. Brilliant post!!!
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:55 PM
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9. The majority of PA Democrats picked Hillary after months of press saying that Obama has it wrappedup
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 PM
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12. Who said he had PA wrapped up?
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 PM by redqueen
And for months this was said?

Citation please.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:36 PM
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20. the nomination.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:36 PM
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21. Citation?
Which pundits said this "for months"?

:eyes:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:00 PM
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16. That's funny... the press has been saying all along that 'Clinton was still in it'.
And that PA could keep her in it.

If they'd said he had it 'wrapped up', then they would have mentioned how she needed to win by no less then 20% instead of playing up her unfortunate 9.2% as 'just what she needed'.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:02 PM
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17. It was months of the blogosphere saying he had it wrapped up.
The MSM were pushing a neck and neck race with every broadcast, while as usual the blogosphere went to the truth of the matter almost instantly... and you know it perfectly well.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:55 PM
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10. Bravo!
:applause:

K&R!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:57 PM
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13. K&R...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:58 PM
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14. Then ask yourself...
Who benefits from Democrats eating their own... then ask yourself who is stirring this pot of shit on a daily basis... then ask yourself who at DU drinks the most media Kool Aid.

Silly season doesn't begin to explain the stupidity we're seeing.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:42 PM
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23. "mirror mirror on the wall......"

Who benefits from Democrats eating their own... then ask yourself who is stirring this pot of shit on a daily basis...
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:03 PM
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18. KnR nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:41 PM
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22. And you may ask yourself... how did I get here?
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself-well...how did I get here?

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

Water dissolving...and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Carry the water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right? ...am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
My god!...what have I done?

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...


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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:44 PM
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24. Excellent choice, Swamp Rat!!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:50 PM
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25. I saw the Talking Heads at the Warehouse in NOLA in '81
Maybe it was '82, I can't remember. The Warehouse is long gone (way before Katrina), but the memory of the show persists. ;)

Thanks for the video link... watching it now.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:43 PM
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27. Great! Now it's stuck in my head all night!
Thanks!

:crazy: :banghead: :crazy:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:50 PM
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28. ...once in a... nighttime!...
Next time... DEVO! :D


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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:10 PM
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33. My answers.
“Which candidate has the RW singled out most to attack?”

Either way, it's a conundrum. You might way "A" is the one most attacked, therefore they want to run against "B." Or, they're attacking "A" so you'll just THINK they want to run against "B," so you'll vote for A."

This is so common, I wrote about it in October: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sparkly/63

“Why does the Media continue to insist this is a ‘close race’?”

Because it gives them a story.

“If the numbers were entirely reversed, wouldn't we have our candidate by now?”

No.

“Why does the Media rarely discuss exactly what it would take for the gap between the candidates to close?”

They do, all the time. As it suits them, they make it seem either too impossible or too possible.

“Why is Rush Limbaugh telling Republicans to ‘help’ one candidate stay in the race?”

See the first Q/A.

“Why are DUers posting excerpts from Newsmax, CNS news, Newsbusters, and other notoriously right-wing sites in support of one candidate over another?”

They do it on *both* sides if they think it helps them.

“Who am I really helping?”

People who don't deserve another Republican administration, I hope -- by pointing out the division in this country isn't, or shouldn't be, about the two Democrats in the race.

“Why am I aligned with the Media’s interests, and am I letting myself be fooled again?”

I'm not, and no.

“Can we afford to take the chance that the media’s pick is in the best interest of We The People after all they have done to deceive us?”

"The Media's pick," especially in a primary, is not one collective voice. And similarly, we may see different biases ourselves. Some may think The Media has picked Obama; others may think The Media has picked Clinton.

I think it's too easy to claim that people who don't see it one way or the other are necessarily duped by the media. We hear that every time, too.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:26 PM
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35. Like I said;
"Now, many of those can be answered with the simple explanations involving ratings and the joy that fills Republicans every time blows are exchanged between the candidates, but those don’t explain why we let them get away with it."

You've raised very good points, but there is not balance in the treatment of the two candidates either by RW sources or the M$M.

In the pursuit of "parity" the M$M points out one candidate's blatant lies, and then spends a great deal of effort trying to build the other candidate's incidental relationships into an equivalent scandal.

It's transparent, and it's been hashed over long enough that anyone who could see that has made up their mind by now.

I'm not terribly opposed to a Clinton candidacy, but I'm a pragmatist. Both candidates would likely beat McCain. Both candidates would make a very good president. Both candidates will bring improvements over the damage of the last 7 years.

Here's where pragmatism comes in; One candidate is flush with cash, the other is struggling with debt. One candidate has a lead insurmountable by anything but a miracle. One candidate is not directly or indirectly responsible for many of the policies that have let corporations run roughshod, and is therefore less likely to leave those policies unchanged.

Here's where it gets personal;

My mother, a very intelligent and educated woman (MIT/Apollo Mission staff/Boston Globe writer) who has never voted for anything but a Republican in her life, said she will vote for Obama over McCain. She will not vote this year if the choice is McCain/Clinton... there's simply no way I could talk her into it... and I'm sure there are many Republicans just like her.

If he has that kind of effect on a (true) Conservative Republican who listens to Faux News and Limbaugh, someone who was just thrilled with Reagan and Bush 41, then I can hardly imagine the bloodbath Republicans face come November.

We need to sweep as many Republicans from power this year as we possibly can, and there's very good reason to believe that it will be bigger, bloodier, and far more satisfying with one candidate than the other.


I've always respected you as a poster, and likely always will. I wouldn't mind having this conversation if it's alright with you.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:31 PM
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36. excellent post
What we can do in this internet age
Contact the media with facts.
If they are going to run a story, have the opposing view
Be polite, but demanding
Add to this list, we must be proactive
We can not allow the media to frame America's policy
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:44 PM
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43. Absolutely. The internet is the greatest facilitator of the Truth ever.
For everyone that says "you can't trust what you read on the internet", I say "you don't know how to do research and vet sources".

It's happened to me a couple of times, I've taken an apparently accurate rumor and failed to properly verify it. But once asked for verification, I say "Oops... thanks for pointing that out", and now I know.

The next generation will be proficient researchers who no longer rely on television media as their source of information. Think of how quickly the internet has supplanted the M$M as people's source of news and information. As it evolves, more reliable sources will naturally gain popularity while misleading or incomplete sources will fall out of interest. Slowly, over the next twenty years, we will see greater and greater clarity evolve as those with the best ideas and information are recognized. I believe it is a vital step in our evolution, like a new, global community neural-network. Deception will not flourish in this new environment, and controlling it will be very difficult for the PTB.

I very much look forward to it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:06 PM
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37. A whole lot of truthiness...
K & R !
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:13 PM
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38. Murdoch is sipping another cool one tonight......and
Clear Channel is considering another Media buy....and....

Don't you remember when Bush won that they said they would buy up all the media? Well, they still have just a few more to go....

Even CNN is now getting more right and MSNBC will be next.

Then, God help us all....
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:25 PM
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39. K & R...
:kick:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:04 AM
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40. K&R!
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:20 AM
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41. K&R
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:01 PM
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42. Almost forgot...
"Ask yourself; Do I believe what I'm told by the media about Rev. Wright?"

- Because if you do, you haven't been paying attention during your stint on DU.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:18 PM
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44. Bravo!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:20 PM
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45. ..
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:19 PM
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47. Kick.. n/t
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