James Clyburn

[wrando]

James Clyburn is saying that when President Clinton had his impeachment problems it was the black community that stuck by him. Apparently now it's payback time.

The Rep. is having a tantrum because the Clintons won't quit.

This is not going to help the democrats.

This is going to harden peoples positions and drive the race issue even more.

How can this help?

Bill from ct

[lisa58]

1. did he say, "payback time"?

Clyburn has been neutral - he's complaining about the negative campaign - that hurts everyone.

[marimour]

3. no, not at all

He said is this how clinton repays black people for steadfastly supporting him even through the impeachment?

[Drunken Irishman]

4. No.

He said that many blacks feel it was a strange way for Clinton to show his appreciation.

[lisa58]

7. Thanks, both of you...

...I figured as much.

I'm looking forward to seeing him on Keith tonight - at least he'll have a few minutes to discuss his position and explain any misinterpretations of his views.

[Adelante]

2. Because the Clintons won't quit going negative

Not because the Clintons won't quit the race.

[cliffordu]

5. Maybe they can help you with this over at

the FR_ E REP_ _LIC

D'Ya think??


:hurts:

[cliffordu]

42. bad dupe, insult belongs below...

[butterfly77]

6. He knows that the clintons are...

D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E!

[marimour]

8. I think its giving superdelegates a dose of reality

I don't know 1 black person who will vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. My parents always told me that in the corporate world black people have to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as whites (this is a common phrase). And if she gets the nom even though Barack actually did better in the primary (and a lot better) then it will infuriate black people. She can effectively count that vote out in the general.

[shrdlu]

9. He's a canny old pol, doing what comes naturally...

Bill will understand...

[redstate_democrat]

10. This is commonly known by now. Keep up.

I also think you're misinterpreting what he actually said regarding "payback". He said that Bill has a strange way of showing his appreciation for black voters who were so loyal to him throughout his presidency, despite the many, many disloyal things he did in office, not only to black voters, but to gay voters as well.

Anyway.

What I found MORE important in his words was the fact that he said Hillary is only staying in this to derail Obama's success in November . I am starting to hear a lot about this as well. She is running for 2012 and I think that is just the foulest, most treacherous thing ever. This proves she doesn't care about the Democratic party.

[wrando]

16. I can understand english

I may not have used his exact words, but he made his point clear. To read it any other way ties logic in knots.

I know this is a largely younger group, but if you live and lead in this world for a while you can't help picking up some wisdom.

I think in the long run this little tantrum will cost Obama, how much we will see.

Bill from ct

[redstate_democrat]

29. Oh, whatever.

For you to read into his words some threat of payback IS twisted logic. Your "wisdom" has failed you in this regard. And no, Obama isn't throwing a "tantrum" as you put it. Rep. Clyburn has spoken his mind on what A LOT of people are talking about. It is obvious that this race is over. Hillary's only chance is to destroy Obama so she can step in and become the nominee. This is not only a long shot, but practically disastrous for not only her own political career, but for the Democratic party. A lot of the uncommitted delegates aren't particularly found of Hillary Clinton. She burnt a lot of bridges. Do you really think these people will stick their necks out for someone who would stab them in the back in a heartbeat and possibly destroy the party as well?

[Terri S]

46. Sometimes wisdom comes with age, sometimes age walks alone.

You are trying to insinuate your perceptions into the man's words. Tying logic into knots, indeed.

[Seabiscuit]

81. But when it comes to the young Obamanoids in this forum, wisdom is taking a vacation.

[ScarletSniper]

48. You need to leave the crack alone...for real. Put down the pipe..you're full of it.

[wrando]

60. funny little boys

I doubt any of this conversation would be taking place face to face

but you have your mommas to hide behind

bill from ct

[ScarletSniper]

61. LOL..the crack makes you violent too..huh?

[Binka]

82. An Old Tired Sock Puppet Comes Out To Play

Bill you are full of shit. I'm sure your ex's have told you.

[wrando]

84. don't have an ex

full of shit would be a kindness to little turds like you

it would be fun to stomp your ass, but you got momma to hide behind

bill from ct

[Binka]

87. English Please? Are You Drunk?

Get help for your anger dear. Pizza is coming soon.

[wrando]

89. not yet

[Ronnie]

68. Well, if you're hearing a lot about this

it must be true. I know I believe all the conspiracy theories I hear. I especially believe all the ones I make up. And I say that I know they're true because other people agree with me.

[Yossariant]

11. If black voters were sooo loyal, where did those GOP Congresses come from?

AND, BTW, saying that the Clintons are not "showing their appreciation"
IS saying that they are not paying back the "loyal" black voters.

[marimour]

13. so black voters were responsible for the GOP Congress? lol

In places where there are large populations of blacks the Congressmen are definitely Democrats.

[Yossariant]

26. WOW! In 1996, the Senate looked like this, which is REALLY a shock since you claim that:

"In places where there are large populations of blacks the Congressmen are definitely Democrats."

Alternatively, you just don't know what you're talking about.


Percentage of Mississippi’s population that is black, highest of any state --- 37%:
US Senators: Trent Lott (R), Thad Cochran (R).

South Carolina with 29% black population:
US Senators: Thurmond (R), Hollings (D)

Georgia (30%)
Cleland (D), Coverdell (R)

Alabama (27%)
Sessions (R), Shelby (R)

[panAmerican]

74. Don't you know how politicians carve up congressional districts to dilute or concentrate votes?!

[terrell9584]

24. uh, in what instance did blacks vote for Republican congressman

if anything, when presented a choice between white Democrats and black Republicans, they always opted for the Democrat.

Those GOP Congresses were the result of Southerners abandoning the party of their forefathers.

[Yossariant]

28. Interesting argument that the "black vote" is ineffectual.

[terrell9584]

31. Don't put words in my mouth

What we essentially had in the South for 150 years was a one-party system that for all intents and purposes, functioned like a non-partisan system. The Republicans destroyed that by using race and later, evangelism, but they only made it come to a head in 1994. They have now peaked in the South.

But let's just say, I would never make an argument that the black vote is ineffectual, so please don't say that I did.

[Yossariant]

36. Your prior post speaks for itself. No words, but yours. This current post is just nutty.

"Solid South refers to the electoral support of the Southern United States for Democratic Party candidates for nearly a century after the Reconstruction era (1877-1964)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South


The state with the highest percentage of black voters had and, currently has, two Republican Senators.

That state, with a 37% black population, was carried by the GOP in every presidential election since 1976 when Jimmy Carter won Mississippi.

Hence, the "black vote" is unable to deliver its states electoral votes to the Democrat.

Same with SC. The last Dem to win its electoral votes was Carter.

Ditto Alabama.

[terrell9584]

55. There's a very good chance that MS will have a Democratic Senator

A political mistake that the GOP made there was that they replaced Lott, who had represented the coast, with Wicker, who is from north Mississippi, actually from the same town as Cochran, and historically, the state has always been controlled by a cabal from that part of the state.

The fact that Lott was replaced with someone from north Mississippi, even though Lott had been the first Senator from the south of the state in 40 years, is a slap in the face to the part of the state that is well, the most agitated right now (getting leveled by a Cat 5 does that to you)

Now, it's true, the Democratic nominee will be another north Mississippian in the form of Musgrove, but, Musgrove has been living in Jackson, the last 15 years, and suffice to say, he is more in touch with the Southern part of the state than Wicker, and Musgrove is one of those economic populists who is socially conservative, he can't be attacked culturally. The reason he lost is because he had tried to change the state flag, but they had two referendums on that and the issue is dead for now. But watch, the fact that such an insult was paid to south Mississippi, especially after it was the main reason that George Dale didn't keep his office as Insurance Commissioner, it makes it an easy seat to pick up. If Hood decides to run for it, it would be a guaranteed pick up, because it was a reduction in the influence of the coast at just the time that the coast needs it. Now, all that is left is Taylor. Just watch the senate election, because there's a 50/50 chance that Wicker can't hold it. Clinton almost won it in 1996, but Perot took away a lot of his votes.

As for Alabama, Alabama would have been won by Clinton both times except for the fact that their state supreme court threw out an election in 1986, awarding it to the popular vote loser and thereby creating a state Republican Party where before, there had been none. And Alabama still has only had one Republican Lt. Governor since Reconstruction.

And Mississippi is probably closer to a 40% or higher by now. Every white from a rural area that can get an education leaves the state unless they are somehow connected to the county political machine, in which case they are elected as Democrats to the legislature. The only areas of the state growing in population are the area up by Memphis and the coast, though the hurricane helped to stall that.

[Yossariant]

59. Excellent, informative post. From your lips to... Here's hoping for a "D" from MI.

The Democratic Mississippian who posts in my local forum has made positive comments about Gene Taylor.

Your particulars are very welcome.

Thanks, again.

[ScarletSniper]

50. Did you know black people are to blame for all the world's problems.They are useless and ineffectual

:sarcasm:

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. Time to bring out the Obama Race card again. Just in time for NC

[marimour]

14. So the Obama campaign made Bill bring back up SC with his comments in Philly?

Just like they made Bill demean the importance of SC cause it was won with the "black vote". IMO Obama took the highroad in this controversy, something you may not be familiar with as a Clinton supporter.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. his comments had nothing to do with race. Obama camp shouted "Racism!"

as a political strategy. And...here we go again. You would think America would see by now that this is a pattern of the Obama campaign.

The statements that Bill and Hillary made had nothing to do with race.

Obama uses race to divide

[watrwefitinfor]

33. "Obama uses race to divide"

That is without doubt the most asinine statement I've heard in awhile. And these days on DU that is saying something. Look at it again:

"Obama uses race to divide"

That is just so stupid a thing to say it boggles the mind. It would accomplish him absolutely nothing, since it is only by bringing races together that Obama can hope to win. So what kind of idiot with what sort of agenda would bleat about how he "uses race to divide"?

You are either a foolish person intent on destroying the Democratic Party and any chance we have of regaining the presidency, or you are a paid shill.

Either way I have a great deal of trouble believing you are still allowed to spout your divisive filth here on DU.

Wat

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. Accomplish him nothing? I gave him SC.

He shouted "Racism!" from the rooftops just in time for the SC vote. And again, like clockwork, he starts up with the race card, just in time for NC.

"Divisive filth" Let me get the rules down: you can call Clinton a f"in Cu*T and that is not filth, but suggest that TRUTH, that OBama and his surrogate are AGAIN using race to divide, and you call it divisive filth?

Issues versus name calling. Get a F*in grip.

[watrwefitinfor]

38. "...you can call Clinton a f"in Cu*T "

You are mistaken. I never called Clinton what you said, nor anything else. Not now, not ever. If I were to engage in such name calling, you would be much more likely to attract my attention than would Clinton.

What you "suggest" here, and what you spout all over this board, is not truth. I stated in the previous message what I think it is. Yes, there are more colorful and apt words for it, but I won't use them here on DU.

This will be my only reply, for I don't intend to feed the bottom feeders indefinitely.

Wat

[Evergreen Emerald]

41. Lovely. Right back atcha...

"Filth" on DU has become anything that opposes DU.

Truthiness becomes you.

[tammywammy]

62. What don't you understand?

Obama's black therefore he's bringing up the race card. This is most true when Obama's not there and it's just Bill Clinton firmly implanting his foot in his mouth.

:crazy:

[Evergreen Emerald]

69. you make no sense. Clinton is not allowed to criticize Obama without Obama shouting

"Racism!" Elitist = uppity; That Obama's story on his war stance is a Fairy Tale = racism.

It is all a load of Bull and Obama is doing it on purpose.

What part don't I understand. Oh I understand perfectly well what is going on. The willie Horton type attacks continue.

[tammywammy]

70. I understand completely

Obama forces Bill Clinton to say stupid shit. I get it. Just like anyone that criticizes Hillary is a woman hater. I get it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

71. No. You missed the point. Obama distorts, lies, twists what Bill says

and shouts "Racism!" To win an election. His divisive actions are worse than any willie horton ad.

[tammywammy]

73. I get it

Obama forces Clinton to say stupid shit.


Please link to Obama calling Clinton a racist. Thanks in advance.

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. Links again?

HIs campaign sent out a flyer to the media suggesting stories on Clinton's "racism." He even admitted it in the debate after the "Racism!" shouts started.

Obama's campaign has been negative (lying and distorting truth) from the start. But the media does not report it.

But, it has been on DU a number of times...why don't you know about it? Or...do you?

[tammywammy]

77. I know about it

It was a memo detailing specific things the Clinton campaign has said. I have no problem with it.

But again, I don't see Obama out there saying "the Clinton's are racists." But then again, it was Hillary that said the boys were "ganging" up on her.

[Evergreen Emerald]

78. The boys were ganging up on her.

But, she was shut down and is not allowed to mention her gender or the cries of "foul" shut her up.

Conversely: Obama uses race when it suits him. He cries "Racism!" when none is there, and no one is allowed to criticize him or they are racist (ie elite = uppity).

The double standard shows that women have come only so far and the barriers are high and solid.

[tammywammy]

79. How dare Hillary, the front runner at the time, get the tough questions by those mean ol' boys

[Evergreen Emerald]

85. more double standard.

Were you one of the Obama supporters complaining when Obama got treated in a debate finally like Clinton is treated non-stop?

[tammywammy]

88. No, I haven't complained once about the ABC debate last Sunday

No double standard here.

[Binka]

83. Go Scrub A Toilet EE As you Are Full Of Shit And The Crapper Is Your BFF

Get new meds. You need help.

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. Lovely.

More class from Obama supporters.

[marimour]

39. Obama didn't shout racism every black person that saw it and the entire MSM shouted

at the obvious racial undertones. I wasn't personally appalled because the Obama campaign told us to be appalled. I was appalled because it made me feel like Clinton was saying that in places like SC and my home state of Georgia, with a high black population, my vote didn't count. I took personal offense to it because it was offensive.

[anigbrowl]

43. Count in every white and Asian person, at least in my house

We did not need any media talking heads to tell us what we should think when we saw him say that on CNN earlier this year.

[Evergreen Emerald]

45. "obviously racial undertones" --that was the Obama talking point

and it was a lie. There was no racial undertone to Clinton suggesting that Obama's LIES about his war stance were a fairy tale.

You took it personally because you wanted to.

[ScarletSniper]

52. Bingo. Bingo. Bingo.

[ScarletSniper]

51. If there was nothing wrong with his comments, why did Billy Grab bag lie when asked the very next

day about them?

Why did he lie, eh?

[tammywammy]

63. He's used to lying and people believing him

Just like Hillary and Bosnia, they think people won't actually verify what they say.

[otohara]

19. White People In PA Not Ready to Vote For A Black Candidate

Governor Ed Rendell, just in time before PA

and it turned out to be true -

[burythehatchet]

15. you either intended to deceive or you are badly mistaken

Clyburn said nothing of the sort in the NYT article. Your characterization of a "tantrum" reveals your objectives in posting this crappy thread on this message board.

[wrando]

27. your opinion

I'm not even referring to the NYT article, but an interview on NBC news

what objectives were revealed?

bill from ct

[otohara]

17. Tantrum or Legitimate Concerns For Black Community?

It was not a call for "The Clintons" to drop out, like you say in your post, it was a call to take it down a notch on the negative campaigning.

Funny you say "the Clinton's" vs Hillary. Obama running against two of the most powerful people in US and still winning legitimately.

Here's the real quote, get your fact straight before starting a thread.

Clyburn, recalling a time when the black community had rallied to Bill Clinton's side, during the impeachment proceedings, said, "I think black folks feel strongly that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation.'' He suggested that there is a widespread belief in the black community that the Clintons are committed to doing everything possible to damage Obama to a point where he is unelectable in November.

[wrando]

21. here's the real quote?

I have news for you, Clyburn has been talking.
He didn't stop after a couple of paragraphs, and he's still talking and giving interviews.

bill from ct

[Seabiscuit]

18. Knowing nothing of James Clyburn, why does the media say he's the most influential black politician?

I thought perhaps it was John Conyers or Charles Rangel who was the most influential.

[wrando]

22. clintons

because he's trashing the Clintons

this media always gives points for that

bill from ct

[ShortnFiery]

23. Bless James Clyburn. He's unafraid to speak the unvarnish truth. eom.

[wrando]

25. his truth

I have no doubt he believes what he's saying, but it's not going over well with the voters that Obama needs.

you might ask how do I know?

there are other sites with more balance than DU

and no, not freerepublic

Bill from ct

[ScarletSniper]

53. And of course you have a crystal ball and know how people are going to vote...get a grip

[wrando]

56. never made such a ridiculous claim

[Hillary by 10]

30. He is trying to drive the race issue to create a rerun of SC

That is the point. Talk about kitchen sink and low.

I sure hope the NY Times blasts Obama!

[ScarletSniper]

54. He doesn't need to create anything...he will obliterate her in NC..it's a done deal without Clyburn

[Elidor]

32. He's right that they had Clinton's back

I don't know much about Clyburn, but I've heard it said that he's pretty level-headed and respected. A man like that doesn't just spout off by accident. And it's time someone pushed back the Clinton campaign on this.

If this hardens positions, that's too bad. I take issue with your characterization of "having a tantrum because the Clintons won't quit." He is taking issue with the racial tone of Bill's comments. He has not called for Hillary to drop out.

[wrando]

35. racial tone?

the guy can't say anything without it being characterized as racially toned

bill from ct

[Elidor]

49. Puh-leeze. Bill has gone there several times.

But you know that already.

[wrando]

57. when?

I haven't seen it


bill from ct

[Elidor]

65. Here

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?ei=5087&em=&en=453d40d9092c2de4&ex=1209268800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1209168171-vc4DJRRNUOFcczHqoa46aA

[wrando]

67. what?

I'm talking about Bill Clinton, not that old crook Clyburn

bill from ct

[Lucky 13]

37. You missed the point.

Clyburn and the black community stuck with him through rough times.

But now they believe they need to support the better candidate.

The Clintons make it PERSONAL when it isn't personal. You ever think these people might actually believe Barack will do a better job?

[marimour]

No. They just think we black people show up and vote for the black guy cause we dont know any better

[wrando]

58. that's pretty dumb

I don't think that

bill from ct

[OzarkDem]

40. Clyburn is a failure

The worst, most invisible House Majority Whip in Democratic Party history.

[ProSense]

44. What BS!

After both Hillary, Bill pandered to the black community, Bill goes back to race-baiting

The Clintons are being despicably calculating, and deserve to be called on their BS.

[cliffordu]

47. Oh FOCK!!!!! Not 'another one' telling the truth as many people see it!!!!

OMFG!!!!!

(I told you we should NEVER have voted for "that one")

:sarcasm:

[mickeyraul]

64. Clyburn's words are tantamount to blackmail

Note the tone that suggests he's telling blacks not to support Clinton if she's the nominee.

[Condem]

66. Is this the same guy

Who was the first American pianist to tour the USSR?

[tammywammy]

72. It's called Google

Try it.

[Condem]

75. Oh fuck, tammywammy

That was Van Cliburn. Just waitin for someone to bite. Thanks!

[smoochy]

80. Shameful, for people to be upset that Hillary won't quit!

Of course Hillary won't quit, she's a fighter! Would you rather her run from her duty and defend the texan border like Bush?

[Liquorice]

90. North Carolina is coming up, so it's time to

inject race into the equation again. Obama's surrogates predictably do this leading up to a primary state with a large AA vote. I hadn't noticed that they come out with these things right before large AA primaries until several people pointed it out on other sites. I started paying attention after that and sadly, it's true. I think it's despicable.

Somebody should tell Clyburn that Hillary has the right to run for president, just as much as all the men before her have done--men who have taken it all the way to the convention...and were never criticized for it.

[SeattleGirl]

91. I don't get the sense at all that he's having a "tantrum".

I watched his interview on Countdown, and "tantrum" is the last word I'd use to describe what I saw.