Really try and imagine a world where the SD's override the delegates because the leader is too black

[rudy23]

and therefore, unelectable. Go ahead, really try and imagine what would happen if they did that, and what kind of message it would send to America. I'll wait. Really try to picture what it would be like.



Now. Isn't all this debate about what the super delegates should do kind of silly?

[Radical Activist]

1. Now imagine that the Green Party is running a black candidate, which they probably will be.

Hillary will get less than 40% of the vote.

[melody]

2. That would be an interesting outcome if she tries that crap n/t

[Radical Activist]

3. A black candidate who also opposed the Iraq War from day one.

So she'll lose a major part of the black vote AND the anti-war vote. Then you consider all the working class whites who listen to talk radio and absolutely hate her. Hillary has no chance in hell in the general election.

[melody]

4. That would be a real way to cripple the two party system n/t

[hogwyld]

9. don't forget the 100's of thousands of young

and newly registered dems that would be slapped down. Don't think they'd be a cynical bunch if that happened?

[juno jones]

8. Is Cynthia running?

(damn spelling)

[ClassWarrior]

11. Yes.

That's what the poster means.

NGU.

[juno jones]

25. Thank you.

I had heard she might.

[rug]

26. So, which one gets your vote?

[rodeodance]

5. What are you saying? Would they be called racist? just asking.

[rudy23]

10. It would be kind of like telling our black children, "even when you win, we'll make sure you lose"

It's like saying that, even if a black person achieves one of the highest levels of victory a politician can achieve, they will be "too black" to actually hold the office--according to a group of mostly powerful whites.

[ScarletSniper]

12. No, Rodeo...but they wouldn't be called Hillary supporters, that's for sure..dance dance dance

[tritsofme]

6. Or conversely, imagine a world where he doesn't get the nom because SDs go with the candidate

with the most votes.

[GarbagemanLB]

13. Considering the metric is pledged delegates, I don't see how that is possible.

[tritsofme]

22. Which metric?

The only metric that matters is getting to 2024 on the first ballot.

[stillcool]

17. that would be Obama....

[cliffordu]

7. That's what you'll get if you pick

HILLARY

[fortyfeetunder]

14. Not only to America but the rest of the world.

We already look like a bunch of fools for the last eight years, if Obama gets the 2025 but is shoved aside, then we will look like racist fools.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Hmmm

Maybe the Green Party is where I'll need to be . . . or Socialist Democrats. Or horrors - what if black people in America said, "Well, I was always a Dem because where else could I go? Well - I must as well try these Republicans out."

Ouch. I actually thought of switching to the Republican party this morning to stick it to Hill since my Black New Jersey vote was counted months ago in favor of Edwards.

Hmmm . . . this Green Party idea is sounding kind of sweet to me.

[East Liberty Denizen]

16. That's not going to happen

Super delegates are party professionals who are interested in winning the election and know how to do it.

Most hold or have held high political office, they know what they are doing.

If Obama is rejected by the SD's, it will be because of their convictions that he cannot win, not because of the color of his skin.

[Gore1FL]

19. Reception is 1/3 of communication.

Message----medium--->Reception

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. Why is it that a white candidate can be called unelectable

for any number of non prejudiced reasons, but a black candidate can only be deemed unelectable because he is too black?

[wileedog]

20. The major "argument" against Obama right now being spouted by the Hillary camp

is that he can't get white voters.

Nevermind that primaries and the GE are apples and oranges, we wouldn't want to inject logic into this. Naturally economically devastated white working class folks will turn to a self-proclaimed economic idiot whose plan is to keep doing exactly what we have been doing because the Dem candidate is black.

Not sure it is racist as much as completely stupid.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. wileedog

Thanks for putting it bluntly.


Now all of a sudden the Blue Collar White Male comes to the Democratic Party - and we have to cater to him? These guys that voted Reagan, Bush 1, Dole, and Bush 2? You mean these guys that are just going to blow whichever way the wind blows the next time a bug crawls up their ass?

[depakid]

23. I'm sure that's how some would paint it

while conveniently ignoring the thin resume, the political missteps and probability of defeat in November (and the irreparable consequences of that).

[LWolf]

24. I hope they override them because

both candidates are too divisive. That's not a racial issue, although I believe racial and gender issues are at the core of the divisiveness.

They are both centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" dems; one with a dlc affiliation and one without. There is not a great difference when I look at their concurrent records in the Senate, and there is not a great difference in their platforms. Whether or not the democrats will field the first woman, or the first black, president is a hot-button issue, and has brought racism and sexism to the table in the party that supposedly eschews both. Racism and sexism from all sides; from the "attack" crews using racism and sexism as campaign tools, and from those who choose a candidate to support based on race or gender instead of issues and record.

I don't think either can win in November, and I don't think either would be a good president.

Two good reasons that I hope we emerge with neither.

[2rth2pwr]

27. Nobody of importance has made that argument. Why are you?

[NJSecularist]

28. The superdelegates would override the pledged delegate lead because he is unelectable.

Not because he is black.

[rudy23]

29. What would be unelectable about winning the most pledged delegates, besides being black?

Wouldn't the person in second place usually be considered the less electable candidate?

Are we really going to pretend the Clinton's aren't making a race-based case for Obama's "unelectability"? Especially after Bill's remarks about how Obama only won SC because of its black population?