Neither Clinton nor Obama--just my humble opinion

[planetc]

In a normal year, and I realize that none of the elections I have voted in were in a normal year, but imagine for a moment that this is the year I *believed* it was in 1964, when I cast my first vote in this country, ... in a normal year, I would choose Clinton over Obama, on grounds of poetic justice. She and her husband withstood the worst that the right wing could throw at them for...let's see, 1992 to date...for 16 years, and she is still willing to subject herself to the barrage of hate, nonsense, propaganda, sexist snideness, and general stress a presidential campaign is, to serve this country. Sen. Clinton deserves to win because she is not a masochist, and is still running.

There's also not much the matter with Sen, Obama--except that he does show a tendency to think that leading this country is a matter of preaching well. A silver tongue is a wonderful gift, but it does not actually buy any tomatoes. A point Sen. Clinton has tried to make, and been vilified for. At the moment she's been vilified for everything she's said except the policy proposals--but if you've been reading your McCamy Taylor, you will understand that if Sen. Obama secures the nomination for President, it will be his turn next. Indeed it's been his turn already!

But for me, neither one of them.

I sat here in this room on January 20, 2005, and watched them *both* give silver-tongued speeches about how much we needed to look into our voting practices in this country BUT, of course, nothing they were saying should actually change the outcome of the 2004 election. And then they both voted to accept the electors from Ohio. And they should not have done that. The House and the Senate in 2000 voted to accept the electors from Florida and every other state, and I can forgive them for that, because in 2000, no one really realized what a gang of crooks in the White House could to to this country.

By 2004, an enormous number of citizens realized what could be accomplished by a gang of crooks in the White House, and many of them went out and did their jobs as citizens. They organized, worked their little tails off, sent money, and elected John Kerry to the White House.

And John Kerry was not sworn in. Every member of the House and Senate who voted to accept the Ohio electors betrayed the people of this country. Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton were among them.

We absolutely can't go on pretending that we can get by on business as usual, and both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama are trying to do that. We know better. We must hold them both to their oaths to uphold the Constitution, because without the Constitution, there is no United States of America. We must hold both of them, and every other member of the House and Senate, to their oaths, and ask them why they have not impeached a large handful of the Bush administration.

Rev. Wright is a distraction, Bill Clinton's "racism" is a distraction, the ENTIRE primary campaign has been a series of increasingly silly distractions from the great question before us. Why, when the Constitutional remedy is before them, has there been no impeachment of the Bush administration?

I want my country back. I realize that what I believed that country to be for most of my adult life was a mixture of knowledge and delusion. But I still want it back. I want it back now, before the 2008 election.

I want the Democratic candidates to start talking to me as though I can read and have a conscience. As though I am decent, and hard working, and tax paying, and have been forced into the position of seeing my tax dollars spent to fund torturers, and illegal wars, and the total corruption of a once semi-free press.

I want my country back, and until someone starts talking to me, where I live in my heart and mind, no Democratic candidate gets my support.

[melody]

1. So you think giving your vote to the GOP will help things? n/t

[DJ13]

2. I think theres a fringe element in our society that wants things to get so bad...

......that a far (far) left Liberal can get elected.

Seriously, I've read a great many posts that really advocate electing McCain so our country comes completely unglued in the hope it "teaches us a lesson".

They would gleefully cheer for the suffering of the majority of Americans if it can serve some far off whacko plan.

[Growler]

3. they were saying the same thing in 2001 and 2004

There were people here saying the same about Bush, how it was good that he was president, since it would cause so many people to get disgusted they'd easily vote for a far left candidate.

seriously, how many elections do we keep having to inflict right-wing nutcakes on the world before enough people get sick of it? my guess is either this year puts the right-wing to bed, or never.

[sellitman]

4. Nader tried that.

Didn't work then, won't work in the future.

[JoFerret]

7. marxist theory

says something similar.

far left and liberal? Hmm Is there such a thing?

[Adelante]

5. Let me guess

Edwards?

[Samantha]

6. I totally agree with the sentiment of your thread

Unlike many here, I do believe one's political choices are extremely personal. Those choices need not be justified to anyone else, simply one's conscience. In that regard, the points you make are excellent ones. I thought for much of the same reasons you listed, I would end up not voting this election. However, as time as evolved I have decided I am comfortable voting for Barack Obama, and I believe I will.

Under no circumstances will I vote for Hillary Clinton. She's not fit to govern this Country -- in my personal opinion.

Thanks for posting your candid feelings in this well-written thread. It's always wonderful to see someone immune him or herself to the brainwashing techniques over abundantly used in the so-called interests of party unity. The one thing that supersedes the importance of party unity is sticking to one's core principles, and the willingness to do that (I have hoped) is what separates this party from the Republican party.