To Those Posting 'Jokes' About Harm Being Done to Hillary Clinton

[LulaMay]

To the cruel, sick men here and their Stockholm Syndrome counterparts

who think it's funny to joke about violence against women

one of them being a presidential candidate...


If any harm should come to her, would you be laughing when the Secret Service knocked on your door for what you've written here? Because they SURELY would investigate every threat, real or implied.

Maybe you should THINK ABOUT IT.

Maybe you should try on a little dignity and think of Benazir Bhutto when joking about harm coming to Hillary Clinton.



None of you would stand for a minute any violent, threatening language used against Senator Obama, because it's plainly unacceptable,

but to a woman, one you like to hate so much you'd like to take her into THAT ROOM yourself, you RELISH it.



I'd like to know AGAIN from the administrators and moderators here why they have allowed this 'discussion board' to be a refuge so often for people who like to attack Hillary Clinton with vile slurs and violent hateful language?



Do you seriously believe that allowing escalating expressions of rage and hatred, and 'jokes' about it, cannot pose any threat to Senator Clinton?



(speaking only to those sick persons doing this. I'm sure again there are Obama supporters who do not like what they are doing.)

[Kittycat]

1. Meds... Someone needs thier meds.

Going in to a room, and one coming out - means a sit down, and the winner emerges - while the other goes away quietly. Clearly some people have some serious mental issues, to believe otherwise.

[PoliticalAmazon]

4. They are sick. They want to climb on the cross over everything...

...It is fucked up, and big time.

[Kittycat]

12. They need to start using Bamboo, or we're going to run out of trees for their crosses.

[Raine]

31. Yeah they need to get off the cross

we need the wood. :argh:

[chimpymustgo]

116. Scalia, is that you? Just get over it, right? WRONG. We don't have to take this sexist crap. DU

should not ALLOW it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

125. You eunuch the term 'sexism' by using it like the boy who cried wolf. n/t

[Clintonista2]

10. This from the "fairy tale is code for n*****" crowd?

That's rich.

[Kittycat]

16. I have no idea what you are talking about... But I constantly see some of your cohorts

Post in criticism of extra delegate awards in strong democratic areas as "Black" areas - so they don't count.

[Clintonista2]

17. Provide one single example please

Just one. I want to see a post where a Clinton supporter states that "black" areas don't count. I'm waiting.







Didn't think so.

[Kittycat]

Here is just one example where that is implied.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5673484&mesg_id=5673867

I'd post the other thread - but it appears that post was deleted, because I can't find it anymore. But it was from the same poster of the thread linked above (who often makes such comments).

[Clintonista2]

29. Umm you might want to find another example

Your claim is that some Clinton supporters:

"Post in criticism of extra delegate awards in strong democratic areas as "Black" areas - so they don't count."

Papau posted:

"A standard result caused by the extra delegates awarded black areas"

Papau never said or implied they don't count. He stated a fact. Black areas are awarded more delegates, does anyone dispute this? Even though you've made a baseless claim against Papau attempting to paint him as a racist, I'm trying to be civil with you. So I'll ask you kindly not to make accusations without real proof in the future. Thanks.

[Kittycat]

30. Is that in quotes?

Reading comprehension problems I see. And the context is implied - although more strongly in the thread that is now gone (probably because it was so strong).

eta: and yes, I do dispute it's in "black areas". It is in actually in HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC AREAS. They might have heavier AA population, but casting it as a "black area" is demeaning and discounts them - not only to the AA residents, but to the many other residents in that area. They are first and foremost democrats that consistently turn out the vote in high numbers.

[rodeodance]

42. and so are voters without college degrees--BHO fans call them 'uneducated"

[JoFerret]

112. I don't know the details but

is that factual?
Worth checking.

[JoFerret]

110. What are you talking about?

.

[Name removed]

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[mtnsnake]

34. This coming from the same joker that wished death upon Tony Snow

You've got some serious problems pal.

[cliffordu]

36. Tony snow fan, huh?

I guess that says it all.

[mtnsnake]

39. No, not at all, but I would NEVER wish that he died from his cancer like you did tonight

in that other thread, loser.

[cliffordu]

40. Well, why don't you reflect for a moment on how long

Mr. Goebbles, I mean Mr. Snow, sold the war that has killed over 4000 sons, daughters, fathers and mothers. And untold THOUSANDS of Iraquis.

He can go fuck himself, He is as guilty as Bush and Rove and Cheney and the rest.

Let Cancer take it's course. He is a war criminal.

[mitchum]

57. Stalking fellow posters from thread to thread is against DU rules

[mtnsnake]

What in Gods name are you talking about with this "stalking" shit

What, just because I remembered that your pal wished that Tony Snow died from his cancer, that means I'm stalking him? :wtf:

[mitchum]

71. I think it's actually in Skinner's name,but...

"Do not "stalk" another member from one discussion thread to another. Do not follow someone into another thread to try to continue a disagreement you had elsewhere"

[Moochy]

80. Kick for this post

So the old curmudgeons that just cant seem to ever get tombstoned can re-read the rules.

[The Doctor.]

133. That's pushing it a little. Bringing up someone's behavior from elsewhere in the CONTEXT of

the new thread isn't 'carrying on an argument' from another one. Nor can one be considered "stalking" if they find themselves posting in response to the same poster in different threads so long as it is in the respective context each thread.

A good example is when someone says something racist in one thread, and then accuses someone else of being racist in another. Teh poster that happened to witness this behavior in the first thread may find it's appropriate to remind that other poster of what they said elsewhere, thereby changing the apparent value of their post in context.

There is a line between 'stalking' and bringing up behavior of a poster that is pertinent to the thread or post in question.

[Catherine Vincent]

97. He's accusing you of stalking because he wished Snow would hurry up and die also.

I just read it in another thread. He's taking up for the other poster because he said the same hateful thing about Snow.

[mtnsnake]

115. What a couple of sickos they are, eh

Thanks, cat_girl25, for looking into it. :)

[mitchum]

128. Maybe so, but we are not as sick as Snow

Godspeed, Tony!

[The Doctor.]

134. Ah... Yes, to my post immediately above, I would add that;

'Researching another poster's behavior when it is pertinent to the thread is also not necessarily 'stalking'... although it does come a little closer than the above example.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. I Don't Like Tony Snow's Politics One Iota

My mom has Stage 3 Colon Cancer... I wouldn't want folks wishing she died from it... Same for Snow...

[Erin Elizabeth]

93. Is THAT all he said?/?

And this is somehow threatening violence against her?






Yeah. I think I'm going to go back to having a massive ignore list until at least mid-May. This is just too fucking crazy.

[mod mom]

114. If this is in regards to KO's use of a metaphor, I concur completely. The outrage

is another Clinton campaign manufactured attempt to play victim-"the media is picking on me because I'm a woman"

THIS MANUFACTURED VICTIMIZATION IS AN INSULT TO STRONG WOMAN EVERYWHERE! As a woman, I want to be treated as an equal not as someone who must be treated w kid gloves because of sensitivity.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. Like In The Godfather

When Michael Corleone says about Moe Greene, "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse." and when Moe refuses he gets a bullet between the eyes...

[Darth_Kitten]

140. What's bad about worrying about violence against women?

:eyes:

[DJ13]

2. Here we go again.........

[AlCzervik]

3. Your lecture series and sanctimonious ranting are way past old. After what you posted about

Michelle Obama you have zero room to talk. Get over youself called, they said you should come back now.

[trumad]

5. Broad brush there with no links.

[DearAbby]

6. I see accusations...no links for proof

I haven't seen anyone threaten Clinton's wellbeing...can we say DRAMA QUEEN?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. I can point to one that says her supporters will be slaughtered. It's further downthread.

here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5688635&mesg_id=5688768

[CBGLuthier]

24. Are you actually talking about my sheep vs. bot comment?

Give me a fucking break, you guys are way too god damned literal.

And as I stated in my followup that you conveniently ignored I was NOT talking about her supporters but ALL of US.

As in she will lead us all to slaughter because she believes in bringing jesus back regardless of reality. She is a member of a whackjob armageddon emabling religion.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. Ah. Yes, I thought you had distinguished yourself as a "Bot". I didn't realize you supported Clinton

although you don't seem very happy about it.

[CBGLuthier]

32. If I still smoked I would ask you to share.

Let me make this clear. in no way do I support the election of the senator from NY.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

76. I think that was pretty obvious when you explained that Clinton supporters are those who are

slaughtered.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

119. Dupe

[kerry-is-my-prez]

100. "She is a member of a whackjob armageddon emabling religion."

what religion is THAT?? If you're talking about the Methodist Church - I grew up in one and it was the most liberal church in the area. Pro-choice, anti-war, etc. etc. Methodist Churhes very widely from being almost strict Baptist to being very, very Liberal.

[CBGLuthier]

135. The fellowship

Try learning about your candidates. It makes voting an easier thing

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html


For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

[newmajority]

137. Well.... Chimpy also claims to be a Methodist.

But I'm sure people like he and Hillary are in the minority.

[Emit]

7. Can you point to an example, LulaMay?

A link or something?

[ProSense]

8. Hillary is making idle threats about nuking another country, and raising international eyebrows

You have any good jokes?

Here's a good one. Helen Clark, former prime minister of New Zealand: her opponents have observed that in the event of a nuclear war, the two things that will emerge from the rubble are the cockroaches and Helen Clark.

link

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. there you go lying and distorting her words AGAIN.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

69. How was that a distortion? It's her complete answer to a question about hearing a good joke...

The sanctimony on the whole sexism thing is getting quite daft.

[MadBadger]

9. If there is any doubt who my last OP was from...well now there shouldnt be.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

11. Is Ignore off again?

WTF.

[charlie]

13. Look out

Lula's pestering the Secret Service with her Action Alerts again. And once again, you board admins and mods are on notice. Someone's gonna pay, 'cause there's no foolin' LulaMay.

Tick... tick... tick... meltdown imminent.

Again.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

14. Here's a good one. Obama supporters="Bots". Clinton's are sheep to be sheared, slaughtered.

But, hey, that's not violent right? Or threatening. Those are just words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5682243&mesg_id=5682446

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[Elidor]

18. Because one thread from you on this subject isn't enough!

Beat that strawman some more! Beat it, I say! Hopefully, you've still got another post left! Don't hold back now. Do it for Benazir.

[Upton]

19. I'll give you credit, you have a great imagination

[Piperay]

21. ANOTHER one

isn't it three yet. :puke:

[merh]

23. ...

[tammywammy]

46. It's more like

[bigbrother05]

26. The one Op that I saw today

was started by one of your own

[JVS]

27. May she have too many shots and beers and get tasered mercilessly by the cops for public drunkenness

:toast:

[C_U_L8R]

28. DAFFY!

They drive me daffy!
Those hunters with their great big guns
They're all uncles, cousins, fathers, sons
Crazy! They got me hazy
With all that rootin'-flootin'-hootin'-tootin'-high-falootin' noisy shootin'
Closer! They're gettin' closer
With shot-guns, pistols, bows and arrows, riffles, knives, and other deadly trifles
Scram now! While I'm still able
You're nuts if you think that I'm gonna end up on somebody's dinner table
Sooooo, Good-bye! So long now!
Woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo.

[Gore1FL]

33. So many words, but so little content.

I haven't seen any such jokes.

Hillary's doing much more harm to herself than anyone with the psychological issues necessary to do harm to a woman could dream of, anyway.

[frickaline]

35. couldnt agree with you more - theres a lot of woman hate here, sadly

Sad thing is how little they realize they do it, the denials are proof of that.

[StevieM]

37. The Obama campaign and its adherents are not nice to other people. (eom)

[MercutioATC]

65. Yes, we're mean.

Oddly, we seem not to be mean (well, most of us, anyway) to people who post in support of Clinton without making outrageous claims or taking shots at Obama.

Find the last pro-Clinton post that didn't try to evoke math from other dimensions or attack Obama and see how many Obama supporters posted "I might not agree, but congratulations" messages.

I have no problem with Clinton supporters with the exception of the 15-20 here who do their best to impersonate paid Clinton bloggers.

[mtnsnake]

38. You're right. They are some sick fuckers who do that. Cowards, too

who would never ever say any of the vile shit they do from the safety of their mother's basement where they hide out in anonymity.

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[cui bono]

47. Why?

[MercutioATC]

44. Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch.

[frickaline]

45. case and point

[MercutioATC]

48. God, some of you people are soooooo easy

:evilgrin:

[frickaline]

52. its posters like you who are the problem, every day I feel less welcome here

[MercutioATC]

53. Hang in there. You'll either adapt to it or you won't.

Just don't take things so seriously. It makes the process much easier.

:)

[frickaline]

54. sexism is NOT a joke - I cant even IMAGINE the response I'd get to a racist joke here

May I NEVER adapt to a sexist environment, I know you don't mean to be mean ... but you are ....

[MercutioATC]

60. I believe the general sentiment here is in agreement with you (mine included)

My post wasn't meant to make light of sexism or violence toward women. It was, I believe, an appropriate response to an OP that took itself a little too seriously...not because it decried violence toward women, but because it equated Olberman's statement with a call for a literal attack on Clinton.

We see a lot of that here...people taking a random statement and mounting a crusade upon it...and that's just silly.


Yes, it was an inflammatory remark. Olberman's an actor for chrissake. His income doesn't depend on his analysis of events, it depends on ratings. Making inflammatory statements...within limits...is just smart showbiz. Nobody sane believes that he was actually calling for Clinton to be physically harmed.

I may staunchly agree with somebody's overall message, but believe that they're being a bit silly and lacking in perspective...and I have no problem (at times, sarcastically) stating that view.

[Name removed]

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[Sparkly]

55. Ya gotta wonder.

:(

[Chalco]

113. Fascinating that my post was removed.

This place has really become fascist when such a benign post was removed.

[The Doctor.]

132. I had one removed for a Monty Python reference....

The poster said, "Now you're going to blame me for the Salem fire"

I Said; "A Witch!" (obviously a joke, I even put this pic there;
)

I was honestly shocked that it was removed. Knee-jerk moderating, although forgivable in this environment right now, detracts from the quality of threads instead of protecting it.

So why do you think yours was deleted?

[Chalco]

139. Well, that's a good question.

I can't remember what I wrote now! I just know it was benign compared with 99% of the other remarks on this particular thread.

Is there some way one can unregister from this site. It's doesn't feel like home anymore.

[The Doctor.]

142. You'd have to be here more to consider it "home".

Don't think of "unregistering" just because you're momentarily disenchanted.

Yes, there is a way, but let's not be rash until you've decided that you're opposed to Democratic control of the government... then 'unregistering' becomes very easy... or so I've seen.

I'm still waiting for Dems to control everything before I decide to start attacking them en masse. They are still the best hope. One day, they may become as corrupt as the Republicans, but until then, they are still the best hope for the people.

Stick around until then.

[The Doctor.]

50. Wow... just wow.

[Lerkfish]

51. I have not witnessed this at all, did it just get by me or is this Parlockian distraction?

we report, you decide.

[mitchum]

56. So the Secret Service comes knocking on your door for "threatening violence against women"?

Y'know, that's a very clumsy argument you're trying to make.
I don't despise DLClinton because she's a woman, but because she's a corporate shill.

[frickaline]

58. for me its not the fact that anyone should dislike her, its how they express the dislike

For example - "pantsuit" is an unacceptable sexist term.

However I don't get the secret service bit either, that seems a bit over-the-top to me

[MercutioATC]

61. You do realize that Clinton herself joked that she "wears the pantsuit" in the family?

"Pantsuit" is fair game...Clinton herself made light of it.

[frickaline]

63. she has no choice but to make light of it, that is the paradox of sexism in politics

Her acceptance of this doesn't make it not sexism, quite the opposite. She had to swallow this bit of sexism with a smile to be electable. If she were a feminist about it, she'd alienate a lot of male voters.

Pantsuit is a derogatory term applied only to females in politics seeking power. Seems like the definition of sexism to me.

[MercutioATC]

68. Why is "pantsuit" sexist?

It says nothing about her intelligence, capabilities or competence. It's a criticism of her wardrobe choices.

If Obama wore suspenders, would bringing that up be sexist?

[frickaline]

70. like I said: Pantsuit is a derogatory term applied only to females in politics seeking power

If you are asking why it is derogatory, its because of the context in which it is used. People here use this to underscore the fact that she is female as they insult her. I find that revolting.

[MercutioATC]

72. A couple of problems with your assertion:

1) There IS actually a garment known as a "pantsuit". It was popular in the 1920's and enjoyed a mainstream resurgence in the 1960's.

2) Hillary Clinton frequently wears pantsuits.


This is not some code word for whatever sinister assault on politicians of female gender you imagine. It's an attack (albeit, a juvenile attack) on her fashion sense....and, if you want to stretch, an attack on her age.

[frickaline]

73. you dont get it: think of it this way, its not nice to call a woman a "skirt" either, is it

[MercutioATC]

74. Nobody's calling Clinton a "pantsuit". They're joking about her WEARING pantsuits.

Pantsuits, in current culture, are almost like the leisure suits of the 70's...or the bellbottoms of the 60's...or the poodle skirts of the 50's.

They're thought of as being something that was trendy but terrible as a lasting fashion choice. Poking fun at somebody who wears them today wouldn't suggest sexism, it would suggest that they didn't have a realistic view of the present.

[frickaline]

96. Incorrect. They are using the word pantsuit in place of her name.

[Erin Elizabeth]

92. Dear Lord.

Seriously? Now I can't say "pantsuit?"

This is beyond ridiculous.

What if I want to WEAR a fucking pantsuit? Can I say "pants with jacket?"

[frickaline]

98. Just use her name, dont call her 'pantsuit' ... she has a NAME!

[Erin Elizabeth]

103. She has a NAME???

NO.

:crazy:

[frickaline]

123. Yes this does seem like news to many, hard to believe basic human respect isn't an expectation here

[Tresalisa]

90. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the fact that you say

'pantsuit' is an unacceptable sexist term. It's something many successful women wear. Are 'bra' and 'panties' also sexist terms? How about high heels? :shrug:

[Erin Elizabeth]

94. I think "tampon" is at least ageist, since older women

usually aren't having periods anymore. So don't say tampon, ok?

:crazy:

[frickaline]

99. no, i'm objecting to renaming Hillary. she has an actual name and it isnt pantsuit for god's sake

[Sparkly]

62. LulaMay, the jokes and insults here are juvenile and counter-productive.

Why people can't just say "I disagree, and here's why" is beyond me.

But I don't think these are the kinds of things that have any effect on Hillary Clinton's physical safety. I do think it's all part of the same ball of wax, though -- the reasons people find it fun to joke about violence to women is wrapped up in the reasons violence against women is so prevalent in our society. It's all related to the reasons hatred, disrespect, ridicule, and double-standards of all sorts are acceptable, unquestioned, and even UNSEEN when it comes to women.

It's always seen as more secure, hip, aware, fashionable, modern, sane, relaxed, happy, etc. to go with the flow of the norms and mores. It's when you stand up to them that you're called sick, crazy, extreme, ridiculous, hysterical, whining, over-reactive, and are subject to the ridicule that makes others feel yet more secure, hip, aware, etc. by dividing themselves from you.

So what a majority hold to as rebellious and anti-establishment is probably not -- it's conformist. And what the majority ridicules as silly, crazy, or establishment is probably a stance only a few brave rebels will dare to take.

Without people like you, there'd be no debate here at all -- just collective ranting. As it is, it's hard to find the debate in between the rants!

Hang in there. :hug:

[superkia]

64. I think its a disservice to mention Benazir Bhutto along with Clinton...

Its almost like comparing a god and a devil.

[TwilightGardener]

66. Huhn? Another Hillary-as-Feminist-Martyr post by LulaMay.

Jesus, you are verging on unhealthy worship.

[krkaufman]

67. You're inferring such doesn't equate to Keith implying it.

Olbermann was obviously responding to Fineman's framing of the need for a referee to put an end to the primary fight, so the only sexist thing Olbermann can be criticized for is assuming the referee would be necessarily male.

end of story.

in a rational world.

[OzarkDem]

75. The usual hypocrisy from Obama supporters

Imagine if someone made similar remarks about Obama...

[Why Syzygy]

77. That's actually against the rules. Try the ALERT link.

[AlCzervik]

78. And you didn't come back after you posted this garbage-----weak, very weak.

[saltpoint]

85. She would have come back to respond, but she was late for her

Pseudo-Feminists for Clinton meeting.

Tonight they planned to burn Sigmund Freud in effigy.

[AlCzervik]

89. lol!!

:toast: :rofl:

[TahitiNut]

79. You really need to lay off the Hillajuana.

:smoke:

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

82. Obama is the drug candidate

It will be interesting to see the GOP start up with that meme.

[Moochy]

81. Men Grrr!!!

[saltpoint]

83. LulaMay. Darling. Have a seat, rest a spell, soothe your weary self

from the wiener-wielding cyber-rapists on DU.

I don't think you like male humans very much. Your posts certainly insist on a girls-as-victims / boys-as-callous sexists hinge. That is to say, they all do. All of your posts are pro-Clinton -- I have no problem with that per se -- but they are mostly anti-male.

You are a flaring coward for not acknowledging that your candidate's political woes result from her spectacular mismanagement of her campaign and not her sex or gender.

You post that males are callous, insensitive, coarse, and given to extreme sexist attitudes, comment, and action against women, meaning both all women generally and Hillary Clinton particularly.

May one then use the same broad stroke you use, dip it in another can of paint, and assert that women are weepy, weak, hyper-touchy, prudish, and given to extreme victim-card attitudes, comment, and action?

You like them apples any better?

Your posts are crap. They're sexist / reverse-sexist, thoughtless, strident, and require YOU as a victim and males generally as perpetrators to assume form, and the form they assume is a gross mutation of the truth.

You're dead wrong on all counts and the vacuous hyperventilating you do against us boys on this site has reduced you and your candidate to a one-dimensional cartoon.

[shadowknows69]

84. You don't have to come to this board you know

I mean if you're so offended by so many people here.

[Erin Elizabeth]

86. Ok I read this whole damn thread INCLUDING

the request for links to these proposals of violence against Clinton and nothing.

Not a single shred of evidence that is, according to your OP, apparently on this VERY board. But where are they?

Links?

Anything?

What the hell, are you guys just making stuff up out of whole cloth now? I haven't seen a single thread with a violent threat against Clinton and there's not a single link to one on this thread.

[leftstreet]

87. I've summarized the whole thread for you below:

[otohara]

88. Perception Is Everything

Keith Olbermann makes a boo, boo - apologizes and suddenly "Obama supporters" are advocating ill will on Hillary Clinton. The absurdity on this site has reached scary levels.

[Erin Elizabeth]

91. Yes, the OP definitely makes it sound as if this is happening

in multiple threads HERE on DU.

I missed what Olbermann said, I don't really watch TV.

[otohara]

101. Used a Metaphor

Olbermann was discussing the election with Newsweek's Howard Fineman, a frequent guest. They topic was, how can a winner finally be determined in this never-ending Democratic race for the nomination? Of course, the assumption was that it was Clinton that should be shown the door (despite clearly still earning her spot in the race thanks to, um, voters). Fineman said that, all the delegate math aside, ultimately it was going to take "some adults somewhere in the Democratic party to step in and stop this thing, like a referee in a fight that could go on for thirty rounds. Those are the super, super, super delegates who are going to have to decide this."

Said Olbermann: "Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out."


This afternoon - spokesperson for Olbermann said this: It is a metaphor. I apologize: the generic "he" gender could imply something untoward. It should've been "only the other comes out - from a political point of view." You could've called for reaction first if your main motive had merely been criticism.

and he mentioned on show tonight -

[Moochy]

95. ...

OP is not a feminist, it's a caricature intent on ridiculing these issues.

[Why Syzygy]

104. It's the Hillary trademark. Distraction.

[Political Heretic]

102. To the Hillary supporteres saying Obama masturbates in his own feces while chanting prayers

to the hale bop guy....

YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!! THIS IS SICK. YOU ARE DISGUSTING. YOU ARE UNAMERICAN EVIL PIGS!!!!!!!!

AND NO.... I TOTALLY DID NOT JUST MAKE THIS CONTROVERSY UP TO PAINT YOU IN A BAD LIGHT!!!!!!!!1111!1!11!!!!!111!NUMEROUNO!!!111!111

[barack the house]

105. I disagree wtih KO but he apologised. Will Hillary apologise for threats of violence against innocen

Iranian women ??? and their kids .

[Perry Logan]

106. Clintophobes are the lowest.

[barack the house]

107. If I were an Iranian I'd have every reason to be phobic.Bombing folk for politcal gain is even lower

[Perry Logan]

108. Knock it off. She was discussing a hypothetical situation. So she was threatening no one.

[mtnsnake]

117. Thank you, Perry. Some of these people here are truly paranoid fanatics willing to twist ANYTHING

They're the ones who do their best to give Liberals a bad name.

[Maribelle]

111. If you were an Iranian you should think twice about killing millions. The USA will retaliate.

[newmajority]

138. The Iranians aren't going to kill anyone.

Nor do they possess any capability to do so. On the other hand, Israel has hundreds of Nuclear warheads and is controlled by a handful of paranoid right wing Zionist freaks.

Neither the Iranian government nor the Israeli government are representative of what the people of those countries want (anymore than Chimpy speaks for us) but the wackos in Israel are far more capable of attacking another country than the wackos in Iran.

[Maribelle]

109. You might have missed the part- if millions of innocents were killed the USA would retaliate.

Making politically biased statements using women a ploy is truly pathetic.

[Medusa]

118. Stockholm Syndrome????????????????????

Do you even understand what the Stockholm Syndrome is? Obviously not. I don't know a single person here who has been held captive by ANYONE and then begun to identify with their captors. So you're saying that we're being held captive by Obama and have somehow become brainwashed in the process? I'm sorry but this is even more ridiculous than your hypothsis that only men here have joked about Hillary or that they secretly want her beaten and/or killed. You've shot any and all credibility that you might have had here with this bit of ridiculousness. Oh, and just so you'll know, I'm female. I'm just not insane like you are.

[saltpoint]

126. Mystery2Me, I have to confess. I have a massive electrovoltage apparatus

in my basement, and if anyone in the neighborhood offends me in thoughts, judgment, or actions, I hogtie them, drag them down the stairwell through a secret back door, strap their contentious asses to the table, wire 'em up, and let the thing rip, full-throttle, while I laugh maniacally all the while.

LulaMay obviously sensed this and boldly went public with her accusation . . . !

[rodeodance]

120. Thanks for the post.

[smiley_glad_hands]

124. OK, that would be decent enough, now we just need Hilliary to stop using racist undertones

and repug memes against other dems.

[OzarkDem]

127. Like Obama?

Please.

Try campaigning honestly for a change.

[smiley_glad_hands]

131. Look in the mirror. eom

[saltpoint]

129. I think Himmler counts as a "sick, cruel" man -- to use the OP's phrase.

So does Pol Pot.

And very arguably, Bill Frist.

If you are male and support Obama, I don't think that's enough to qualify. I really don't.

If you are male -- or female -- and endorse the Stockholm experiements for sheer sport and amusement, you might qualify then, certainly.

Short of that, I think the strident, hysterical, shrieking tone of the OP is way the hell off-base.

[gaspee]

130. One of the oldest traditions

Of human kind -- weak men taking their lack of status out on women. They can't or won't confront men, so like to threaten women.

It's just so easy to threaten and bully a person half your size. Much easier than trying to lift yourself up.

Too bad there are so many of them here on DU.

[IsItJustMe]

136. There you go again. Making shit up to get people all riled up and getting plenty of RECS in the

process. Do you have links for your accusations?

[bridgit]

141. I've been the victim of violence; pernicious violent evil. In some of the responses here it's clear

Certain DU posters have not a single clue how it is, that too often violence is enabled by little more than an off-colored joke. I don't care who you support: Clinton, or Obama. If you are not able to contribute to the solution, then you are part of the problem. And in the process only kidding yourself with your own sanctimonious belief that such things never happen, or occur to people here that consider themselves Lib/Pro.