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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:48 PM
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It Has Been Illegal To Accept Campaign Donations from Oil Companies for 100 Years
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:54 PM
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1. PACs
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:58 PM
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3. PACS - Absolutely. Obama Loves Big Oil PACS - and Big Oil Executives
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 07:58 PM by BeatleBoot
and Hillary has accepted money from them too, I'm certain.

But that ad he's running saying he doesn't accept money from Big Oil is REALLY misleading.

All while he voted FOR Dick Cheney's Energy Bill.

Disingenuous at best.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:58 PM
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5. He doesn't take money from PACs.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:01 PM
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6. Right. He sure loves the money from their employees. He has two Oil Employees working as Bundlers
Obama accepts no money from oil companies directly (which would be illegal), and he also turns away donations from the political action committees set up by oil companies and other interests and refuses money from active lobbyists for oil or any other industry. We faulted him earlier for a TV ad in which he claimed, "I don’t take money from oil companies." In fact, he does accept donations from oil company employees, and he has two oilmen working as "bundlers" for the campaign, collecting donations. In his radio ad he states matters more accurately, saying he's "the only candidate who doesn't take a dime from oil company PACs or lobbyists."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/oily_words.html

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:03 PM
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7. Streeeeeeeeeeetch
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:30 PM
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13. Yes, and I could be a lab worker at Pfizer...
...that doesn't mean that my donation comes from either a drug company or a PAC. It comes from me.

We all work for somebody.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:17 PM
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17. He runs his own PAC, and it takes money from PACs, and gives to people who then endorse him.
"Finally, Obama is the only leading presidential candidate who had made 2008 election cycle campaign contributions to federal candidates, as of January 1. Since January 2005, he has given three times as much to federal candidates (sitting Senators and Representatives and, possibly, challengers) as Sen. Hillary Clinton (HILLPAC). Remember, those incumbent Democrats are super-delegates in August."

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2008/03/31/obamas-disingenuous-pac-statement.htm

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/


In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.
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wpelb Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:09 PM
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22. The PAC laws
The laws have been created to allow so much "legal" money laundering that nobody can figure out whether anything illegal or unethical is actually going on. The problem is that the laws are created by the people whom they're supposed to regulate.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:11 PM
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9. Why are you a liar?
Presidential campaign PAC contributions received:

Clinton: $1,216,842

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?ID=N00000019&Cycle=2008

Obama: $250

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?ID=N00000019&Cycle=2008


Why are you a liar? Are you like Hillary and think you are smarter than everyone else and you can get away with lies? Or are you just a scumbag without morals?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:35 PM
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14. HRC campaign bringing out the worst in people
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:00 PM
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16. And this from Open Secrets
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 09:06 PM by dflprincess
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=E01

Contributions from Selected Industries
Oil & Gas
Hillary Clinton (D)
$353,723
Barack Obama (D)
$266,097

If you check the totals health care and pharmaceutical companies, you'll find they're running pretty close. Each has received over a million from those two industries. This total does not include donations from health care professionals.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:06 PM
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20. All of that money for Obama is from individual workers.
If I'm a working man in the oil patch and donate money to Obama, does that mean my working man contribution makes Obama beholden to the oil industry? Please explain that to me. Why shouldn't a candidate accept donations from individuals working in certain industries?

On the other hand, corporate PACs, from which Hillary takes money, work for the interests of people like this:



WHY DO HILLARY SUPPORTERS CONSTANTLY LIE AND DISTORT FACTS? DO THEY THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THEIR BULL?





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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:04 PM
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25. I do not support either Clinton or Obama
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 09:08 PM by dflprincess
I will vote for the nominee but I really, really wish it could be someone other than either of these two. Clinton has sunk to incredible lows in her campaign, but I do not believe Obama is the saint so many of his supporters seem to think he is. He's as much a centrist as Clinton and I had really hoped I'd have a Democroct to vote for in November.

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:15 PM
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24. For the record



http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/418672

The Clinton campaign countered by saying Obama took more money from oil company executives last month than any other candidate.

They cited a Los Angeles Times story this week saying $46,000 was donated to Obama by oil company executives, family members and employees last month, part of $263,000 from the industry since he declared his candidacy.

The Clinton campaign did not mention the story's finding that the former first lady has received $336,000 from oil-company executives and employees since she announced her presidential bid.




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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:57 PM
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2. "He says what he has to say as a politician"
Rev. Wright
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:58 PM
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4. "The government created AIDS"
Rev. Wright
He's totally a credible source.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:20 PM
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10. Obama should know. He says he got guidance from him for 20 years.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:22 PM
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12. Spiritual Guidance
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:36 PM
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15. I guess spiritual guidance doesnt come cheap
Obama paid $22,500 for it in 2006.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:59 PM
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18. Those were charitable donations, genius.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:05 AM
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19. Much cheaper than Hillary's $3000 makeup jobs
I know you guys aren't very good at math but try the multiplication on that one. And that's just to address the skin deep superficial. I wonder what Doug Coe's price is.
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wpelb Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:11 PM
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23. Or involve ethics or morality?
:(
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:57 PM
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21. Wright said "God damn America" was in his Bible
Was that the spiritual guidance Obama received?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:42 PM
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27. Thou shalt not kill?
chickens coming home to roost....

Blowback
excerpted from the book
Blowback The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
by Chalmers Johnson
Henry Holt, 2000
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blowback_CJohnson/Blowback_BCJ.html

p8
The term "blowback," which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of "terrorists" or "drug lords" or "rogue states" or "illegal arms merchants" often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations.

p9
One man's terrorist is, of course, another man's freedom fighter, and what U.S. officials denounce as unprovoked terrorist attacks on its innocent citizens are often meant as retaliation for previous American imperial actions. Terrorists attack innocent and undefended American targets precisely because American soldiers and sailors firing cruise missiles from ships at sea or sitting in B-52 bombers at extremely high altitudes or supporting brutal and repressive regimes from Washington seem invulnerable. As members of the Defense Science Board wrote in a 1997 report to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, "Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. In addition, the military asymmetry that denies nation states the ability to engage in overt attacks against the United States drives the use of transnational actors that is, terrorists from one country attacking in another."
The most direct and obvious form of blowback often occurs when the victims fight back after a secret American bombing, or a U.S.-sponsored campaign of state terrorism, or a CIA-engineered overthrow of a foreign political leader. All around the world today, it is possible to see the groundwork being laid for future forms of blowback.
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Terrorism(by definition)strikes at the innocent in order to draw attention to the sins of the invulnerable. The innocent of the twenty-first century are going to harvest unexpected blowback disasters from the imperialist escapades of recent decades. Although most Americans may be largely ignorant of what was, and still is, being done in their names, all are likely to pay a steep price-individually and collectively-for their nation's continued efforts to dominate the global scene. Before the damage of heedless triumphalist acts and the triumphalist rhetoric and propaganda that goes with them becomes irreversible, it is important to open a new discussion of our global role during and after the Cold War...
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"Blowback" is shorthand for saying that a nation reaps what it sows, even if it does not fully know or understand what it has sown. Given its wealth and power, the United States will be a prime recipient in the foreseeable future of all of the more expectable forms of blowback, particularly terrorist attacks against Americans in and out of the armed forces anywhere on earth, including within the United States. But it is blowback in its larger aspect-the tangible costs of empire-that truly threatens it. Empires are costly operations, and they become more costly by the year. The hollowing out of American industry, for instance, is a form of blowback-an unintended negative consequence of American policy- even though it is seldom recognized as such. The growth of militarism in a once democratic society is another example of blowback. Empire is the problem. Even though the United States has a strong sense of invulnerability and substantial military and economic tools to make such a feeling credible, the fact of its imperial pretensions means that a crisis is inevitable. More imperialist projects simply generate more blowback. If we do not begin to solve problems in more prudent and modest ways, blowback will only become more intense.


The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed

And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."


A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:41 PM
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26. Wherever would anyone get that idea?

1931 - Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 - The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 - The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.

1940 - Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 - Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 - In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 - U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 - Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 - Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.

1947 - Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 - The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 - Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 - In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 - Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 - U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 - Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 - CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 - The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 - U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1960 - The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the European population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 - Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 - Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 - CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 - U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 - CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 - CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 - Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 - Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 - United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 - The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 - Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 - Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 - First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 - According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 - According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 - A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 - Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 - More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 - With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 - Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 - U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 - Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 - Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 - Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/humanguineapigs
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:07 PM
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8. So - what's the point?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:20 PM
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11. but they still accept money from oil pacs and do an end run around the law
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 08:21 PM by dmordue
it sure sounds saintly too me (Sarcasm)
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