Guess what all these white people I know who voted for Hillary Clinton in Arizona are going to do...

[peoli]

They are ALL voting for Barack Obama in the general.

They include
My mother in law
My father in law
My sons teacher
My sons teachers aid
My two sister in laws
My Aunt

So fuck your fucking fuckball posts about why democrats are not going to vote for Obama in the general because they are white! Get your head out of your fat, hairy ass and wake up!

[Name removed]

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[DerekJ]

2. EXXXAAACCTTTLLYYYY!!!

[anonymous171]

4. I really hope someone calls her on this.

[dchill]

8. Well, she WISHES they would be...

:crazy:

[malletgirl02]

9. She's insulting her own supporters nt.

[jasmine621]

50. Post a link to a quote where she said this, or STFU! nt

[TragedyandHope]

52. Her campaign is CONSTANLY implying this

That's exactly what the whole "electability" BS is about. Open your eyes.

Personally, I think she's dead wrong. I give American voters much more credit than that. I think we are finally at the tipping point in history where most Americans will vote (are voting!) for the best candidate, regardless of their background.

Frankly, I think it's sad and shows how out-of-touch she is for her to imagine she can still benefit from this kind of divisiveness in this day and age. She's sorely mistaken if she thinks the closeted (an not-so-closeted) bigots she gains will offset the progressive voters of all races she is losing with these deplorable tactics.

[rug]

54. Why don't you post her words instead of your warped spin?

[guyanakoolaid]

59. Actions speak louder than words - the Clinton campaign has admitted pushing the racist Wright angle

to SD's.

[rug]

60. Ok, koolaid, post the words.

[guyanakoolaid]

64. Are you joking? Here are the words straight from Ickes mouth:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_pushin.php

[rug]

65. No, I'm not joking. Discussing Wright is not racist. that's your word.

And I'd hazard a guess the Obama camp is doing just as much discussion about Wright as the Clinton camp.

[guyanakoolaid]

66. Not, it's not. Pushing it to SDs to keep them from voting for him is. And are you joking again about

Obama pushing Wright? As much as the Clintons ?!?!?! I think it's fair to say he'd like to see a lot less of Wright's name being used.

Fortunately, though, hillary has lost, so we won't have to discuss her own child-molesting preacher.

[rug]

67. You think discussing the impact of Wright on the Obama campaign with superdelegates is racist?

Jeez, step out of GDP and get some fresh air.

But before you do, don't try to put words in my mouth as glibly as you do Clintons. The Obama campaign is surely discussing, not "pushing", the impact of Wright as much the Clinton camp.

I don't know if you have a reading problem, a thinking problem or an honesty problem.

It must be the latter because of your extraneous comment about child molesting. Feel free to continue that discussion in the comfort of your own home.

[guyanakoolaid]

68. Now, I have no reason to believe that hillary Clinton is a lesbian. At least in my experience.

replace Clinton with Obama and lesbian with Muslim

[rug]

70. I'm sure FR is interested in your theories of lesbian Muslims.

[guyanakoolaid]

71. It's Hillary's theory of Obama. Do I need to find a video?

[rug]

72. I'm afraid to see any video of lesbian muslims you found on the internet.

[guyanakoolaid]

74. Obama is not a Muslim, however much you and the Clintons would like to insinuate he is.

[rug]

75. There you go again. Putting words in peoples' mouths.

[guyanakoolaid]

76. Haha - "There you go again"... Putting Reagan's words in your own mouth. Hillary and Reagan did both

like to talk tough on foreign policy despite having dubious experience.

[rug]

77. You remind me of another quote, this one from Marx.

"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot." - Groucho

[guyanakoolaid]

78. Yet you fail to see the irony that insults are all Hillary has left, too.

:shrug:

[Adelante]

3. The ones who won't vote for Obama

Fuck 'em.

[Atman]

5. Yeah...millions of people will turn Republican because they don't like ONE Democrat.

Do people really believe this shit?

:crazy:

.

[Carolina]

46. no they won't turn repuke but they won't vote for

the top of the ticket if HRC is there.

And yes, I believe that shit because I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER and I am not alone. You should listen to Black radio to see how HRC has damaged that constituency's support. Many will not vote for her.

Call me what you want... I don't give a rat's ass.

[northzax]

6. well your sampling is perfecty reasonable

why didn't thy vote for him the last time, then?

Your sample of seven people is certainly reasonable to extrapolate to fifty million people in November.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Think of it like this. You have a choice between prime rib and t bone steak. Some folks like

t-bone steak better, some like prime rib better.

They take the t-bone steak off the menu, because she lost.

Now your choice is between prime rib and over-cooked bacon.

What would you chose? Even if you are pissed at the restaurant because they took the t-bone off the menu?

A few folks say, 'I don't care if I starve,' I'll never order the prime rib because I liked the t-bone steak better. But not that many do. Instead most have a nice prime rib dinner.

[northzax]

23. true

but are you willing to go out to a restaurant if the Tbone isn't on the menu? voting isn't a passive act, it takes effort. Look at all the republicans who stayed home for bob dole, against the hated Clinton, if you think people just automatically vote.

[wileedog]

29. They won't either way

Hillary is going to lose huge blocks of supporters just as important as working class whites when the African Americans and younger voters stay home. They both have the same problem.

But Obama has WAY more pull in Independents as he has shown in every open primary, and that makes up the difference.

So please, enough with the white demographic bullshit.

[northzax]

30. then you think he'd get those votes

now. You know, instead of people voting for the woman who has no chance? 54% is a pretty big dead letter vote.

[wileedog]

31. OH and PA, her two big victories, were closed primaries

In open primaries like Wisconsin he has only trailed her slightly with this demo, and beat her two to one because of his strength everywhere else.

The Independent vote is the difference for him, but it doesn't show up in places like PA and OH.

[northzax]

44. Pennsylvania is closed

which eliminates the whole 'republicans are voting for Hillary' thing there. Ohio was open.

[roguevalley]

33. its a flawed assumption that if you voted for someone and they didn't

get the nod, then you won't vote for the one who did. right now, it is a race between two people. Once one is eliminated, then people will do what they ALWAYS HAVE DONE and vote for the other person.

[northzax]

41. allow me to remind you of why that statement is meaningless

even with record turnout, only 15 million people have cast ballots in the democratic primaries this year. Whoever wins in November will need 60+ million. So even if every primary voter does as you say and votes the party, you are only twenty five percent of the way there. Those 45 million votes are where your residual sexism, racism, etc come into play.

[gateley]

7. They are true Democrats. Thank them for us. nt

[emilyg]

10. I have family in Tuscon

all for Clinton.

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Better not let them see you spelling their town that way.

[emilyg]

26. Crap. You got me.

[Hawkeye-X]

28. I used to live there..

Beautiful city. Used to live on Broadway and Craycroft..

[John Q. Citizen]

36. Like Tucson. I was there in the 70's and it was fairly small, and then in the

early nineties I was visiting a friend there and it had mushroomed and sprawled from mountain range to mountain range all across the valley.

I really enjoyed the street/art fair and the people. My friend lived in an old historic adobe house with walls a foot and a half thick. I like Tucson also.

[suston96]

11. Did you say Arizona? Too bad all their votes won't help. Arizona is redder than red.

[newmajority]

21. It's technically a red state, but it is also the state who knows Grandpa McLoon better than anyone

And actually, it's really not that deep of a red at all......



Mind you, that's the 2004 map, and it was more or less solid purple then.

Before Iraq got worse. Before Chimpy's popularity plummeted. Before KPHX went on the air in Phoenix.

I suspect there will be a lot more blue in AZ this time around. And if the winter bullshit weather doesn't stop here in Washington state, I'm gonna move down there myself. :mad:


They could vote for McLoony, just to get rid of him, I guess. I heard that's what a lot of people did in Texas.

[suston96]

57. I moved from Massachusetts to Arizona - the differences in weather and politics are striking........

[msallied]

80. LOL... Any state looks red next to Massachusetts!

[azmouse]

61. I live in the Phoenix area and I have yet to see any McBush signs,

bumperstickers, Tshirts, or buttons.

But I have seen Obama stickers and Tshirts.

I don't think it's as red here as it used to be.

[democracy1st]

12. K & R

don't make horseface mad :)he'll kick ur azzz

[RazBerryBeret]

13. Yay!! for all those white people!!!

and yay for arizona!!

[NJSecularist]

15. Arizona? Another state that Obama won't win.

We are more concerned about Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

[Mooney]

17. Neither will Hillary.

McCain will carry AZ handily. It's his home state.

[NJSecularist]

20. Yes, that is exactly my point.

We need a nominee who appeals to Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida, not Idaho, Arizona, Alaska, etc..

[Mooney]

45. Explain something to me.

If the argument is that Hillary will win those states in the GE because she carried them in the primaries...

Then does that mean any candidate who carries a state in the primary will win that state in the general? And if so, does that mean Hillary Clinton will carry Texas? And does it also mean that she'll lose Illinois, because she lost it in the primary? I mean, the argument is that Obama would lose New York because Hillary carried it, so why shouldn't it work the other way around too?

Also, since John McCain won the same states in his primary that Hillary Clinton won, then how does that work out? Why wouldn't John McCain carry California instead of Hillary Clinton? He won the primary there too, and the state has a Republican governor.

The argument that a state won in the primary equals a state won in the general is specious.

[Yossariant]

18. Your Arizona friends and relatives represent a majority of Democrats. Link:

43% of Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee.

29% of Obama supporters won't vote for Clinton if she's the nominee.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/04/clintonobama_im/

[bigbrother05]

37. So you're saying 40%+ of Clinton supporters aren't real Dems?

Why are they so bitter?

[EmilyAnne]

40. A real democrat will not vote for John McCain over the democrat nominee.

[Yossariant]

48. "Real" democrat?

Many voters -- many, many voters -- don't vote for a Party, but vote for a candidate.

:shrug:

[Yossariant]

49. delete

responded to wrong post

[Yossariant]

51. "Real" Dems?

Many voters vote for a candidate and not for a Party.

We call them "swing voters."

[Condem]

19. fuckin a, horseface.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

22. but but he fathered two black children

says McClinton

[Liberal Gramma]

24. Bravo!

And let it be said that I, too, will vote for our candidate, no matter which it is.

[Frances]

27. I will too

I voted Hillary in the CA primary, but I will support Obama totally in the general if he is our nominee. I think he will be.

[Double T]

25. ONLY proves that YOU have misguided YOUR family, friends and relatives.

How could YOU do such a thing?!?

[Warren DeMontague]

32. "So fuck your fucking fuckball posts"

That's the best line I've read in GD-P.

EVER.

:thumbsup:

:kick:

[spoony]

69. I second that!

"fuckball" is a two syllable masterpiece.

[AZBlue]

34. So's this white woman from Arizona

(I voted for him in the primary too, so it's not quite the same - but I'm also going to be working my ass off for him in this state and others)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

35. So are all the white Dems I know.

I'm mixed white/hispanic... and he sure as hell has my vote in the general.

[Tribetime]

38. don't sugar coat it , how do you relly feel. K&R

[EmilyAnne]

39. Thank you, thank you, thank you! It makes no sense to me that any democrats would prefer McCain

to Obama in the general election.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

42. Who gives a shit? It's Arizona.

[dailykoff]

43. All the more significant.

It means white voters in McCain's own state will be voting for Obama.

[azmouse]

63. So AZ is yet another state that 'doesn't matter'?

Shame on you.

[Raejeanowl]

47. How Eloquent n/t

[Eurobabe]

53. Good to hear.

:hi:

[UALRBSofL]

55. Pay attention and keep up

Just about every Obama supporter on DU said they wouldn't vote for Hillary in the GE and we all know why. They just need to come out and be honest with everyone on the discussion board. They can save the irrelevant excuses and just come out and be honest.

[bvar22]

56. Once again, you post bullshit.

The great majority of DUers will vote Hillary if she wins the majority of pledged delegates.

[lonestarnot]

58. McWar trumpets abound here. Keep fighting!

[butterfly77]

62. I heard one of hillary's people say yesterday that..

she is not worried about the Obama people voting for Hillary because they will because they will be afraid that McCain will start the draft...

[TK421]

73. Your family and your sons teacher and aid? Gosh....her campaign is REALLY fucked, now

:eyes:

[Catherina]

79. Are they ever dead to Clinton now

:woohoo:

Nice post. K&R

[rufus dog]

81. Great one

and one thing to it.

Fuck the Fuckball Suns, fucking can't play defense have the fucking fuckball toughness of a YMCA over 40 team.

Wasted KJ's career and now Nash, get some fucking meat to help out the little guys.

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. I get so confused.

Are working-class whites;
A) uniformly, universally and inherently racist or
B) color-blind, inspired and going to vote for Obama when he is nominated.

It depends on the question being asked, of course. If an Obama supporter is trying to explain why anyone would vote for that icky, icky Hillary, the answer is A. If you're arguing that Obama should be nominated and that the questions of electability are a smoke-screen and should be discounted, the answer is B.

Really, you can't have it both ways. I think that B is closer to the truth, but I do think that Obama's coattails (as they pertain to congressional races) are significantly shorter.

[Snarkoleptic]

83. fuckin-a.

[Zhade]

84. It's weird, right? Their argument is essentially "Dems are too racist to vote for a black man".

Not exactly an endearing argument.