***OFFICIAL**** Bill Moyers/Pastor Wright interview-watching thread. ON NOW -- ***

[smalll]

Anyone else watching? 9 to 10pm here on Public TV.

[Kittycat]

1. Tivo...

[smalll]

3. Latte Liberal...

;)

[Kittycat]

23. That's me... With my Prius Minivan & Born Birkenstocks

:rofl:

[ossman]

2. wow! He helped operate on LBJ? Who knew he hated amurica so much.

[stray cat]

4. grew the church to 6000 - I didn't know it was that large

[panAmerican]

5. So far it's great! Did you know he attented to Prez Johnson while in was a serviceman?

I had no idea.

Recounted how he left the president in ICU several hours post op to go on a break, and upon his return, he saw some secret service agents talking into their microphones. And next thing he knows as he approaches the door, he gets tackled. He screams in pain and his assistant comes out to tell the agents who he is.

[mystieus]

19. Picture

[keep_it_real]

27. This needs to be a separate thread - now

[quantass]

67. Yup i knew that...funny that no MSM ever picks this up despite being mentioned on DU a # of times

[Forkboy]

6. He's showing his detractors to be the simpletons they are.

[smalll]

7. It's not over yet... /nt

[Forkboy]

13. Oh I'm sure you guys will find about 30 things to take out of context and twist.

I have faith.

[ossman]

8. too bad none of them can sit through an hour show.

[Alii]

75. Yep,

Children, and the child-like, have short attention spans.

He is a good American, he is patriotic, he has served his country in the military.

Bill Moyers is an excellent interviewer...he can actually listen. That's a rarity now days.

But again, Barack Obama is running for the presidency, not reverend Wright.

And remember, Hillary would nuke Iranian babies. Is that taken out of context. Is that a snippet? A sound byte?

Back to the "snippeteers."

[stray cat]

9. I may not agree with him on some things - but he seems impressive

[panAmerican]

10. Embracing Christianity without denying Africanity; not beig ashamed of their skin

Discussing how each culture may have its own sacred music, without taking anything away from the message of Jesus Christ.

[anonymous171]

11. lol I bet a lot of HRC supporters are watching just to see if any gaffes are made

[DerekJ]

12. Good, I wish they do , so they might realize how silly they are.

[anonymous171]

16. Yep. I hope so too!

[panAmerican]

14. Church members: Black and white Americans; also from Cuba, PR, Caribbean Islands, Belize

[Terri S]

15. 'different like snowflakes'

Different does not mean difficient.

The greatest under-reported story is how the media has caused such an appalling character-assassination against this man.

[panAmerican]

17. yup.

[keep_it_real]

18. I'm Pastor Wrighted out; I can't take it anymore

As I hope people will be going forward until November; enough is enough, already.

[stray cat]

20. I figure it might be smart to know about him since the repubs will try to spin it

[XLIXLI]

29. Are you not capable of listening to this? Because

You cannot stand to hear any more sound bites and don't want to hear the full story?

What's you problem with listening?

[JoFerret]

34. Too much religion

Take the religion out. Take the ranting out. And you have a large kernel of thinking.

[panAmerican]

21. Black Liberation Theology: reads Bible from perspective of oppressed Israelites

Says book of Deuteronomy lists both blessings and cursings, depending on the actions of the people. Cites another passage that says if nation turns away from wrongdoing -->blessings.

[smalll]

22. We're into the heart of the matter now -- a LONG clip of "Goddamn America" --

Is "context" such a great thing, when it's so LONG?

[Forkboy]

25. Makes sense to me.

Don't strain yourself figuring it out.

[XLIXLI]

24. WOW! What a different picture of this Reverend! From Faux Noise to

PBS!

Why can't American media show this, instead of such tabloid trash, so much a xerox of what Faux Noise continues to show?

American media, wake up! You are so sensationalist, and so much an enemy of truth!

I'm sending another donation to PBS just because of shows like this, the truth, instead of out-of-context sound bites!

[Forkboy]

28. It's also begs the question why did/do so many Dems take the Fox spin on it?

[XLIXLI]

Probably because

As the Reverend Wright says.......

They don't want to be challenged to think beyond what they have always been been taught.

Just my opinion.

[stray cat]

36. Welcome to DU - quite a different perspective on the man and the church

[panAmerican]

48. I'm with you; I will renew my PBS membership too

[panAmerican]

26. "My government right or wrong" is wrong when the govt is wrong

[stray cat]

30. A good reference in Time to Wright and patriotism versus nationalism

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1734809,00.html

Even the angry comments of Jeremiah Wright have to be read as the bitter complaint of a spurned lover. Like millions of other blacks, Wright was willing to serve the country while suffering rejection. He surrendered his student deferment in 1961, voluntarily joined the Marines and, after a two-year stint, volunteered to become a Navy corpsman. He excelled and became valedictorian, later a cardiopulmonary technician and eventually a member of the President's medical team. Wright cared for Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery, earning three White House letters of commendation.

Dick Cheney, born in the same year as Wright, received five deferments--four while an undergraduate or graduate student and one as a prospective father. Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush used their student deferments to remain in college until 1968. Clinton did not serve, and Bush was on active duty in the National Guard for two years. If time in uniform is any measure, Wright, much more than Cheney, Clinton or Bush, embodies Obama's ideal of "Americans have shown their love of country by struggling and sacrificing and risking their lives to bring us that much closer to our founding promise."

Wright's critics have confused nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is the uncritical support of one's country regardless of its moral or political bearing. Patriotism is the affirmation of one's country in light of its best values, including the attempt to correct it when it's in error. Wright's words are the tough love of a war-tested patriot speaking his mind--one of the great virtues of our democracy. The most patriotic thing his nation can do now is extend to him the same right for which he was willing to die.

[cali]

45. best definition of nationalism EVER

"Nationalism: A state of mind where one hates another's country more than one loves one's own".

From an impeccable and devastating source: Percival Rech-Malleczwen who wrote it in his journal, later published after his death at the hands of the Gestapo, as "Diary Of A Man In Despair".

"What price a forest if the "national" interest calls for a cellulose factory? Or a German cathedral that stands in the way of an autobahn? What is the value of a tiny remnant of the German soul when aggression is in the works and an entire nation is being systematically turned into cavemen—when their spiritual center is to be destroyed, and they are to be turned into an amorphous mass, whose only form is formlessness itself?

But we must be completely clear: Why, if nationalism really is one of the basic impelling forces of mankind, as its apologists contend, was it discovered in such comparatively recent times as the French Revolution? How is it that this "basic force" did not exist in the days of the Song of the Niebelungs? And how does one explain the fact that in 1400 there was a German nation, but no nationalism—while today, when nationalism is in full bloom, even Goebbels gags a little at the statement that this conglomeration of wage earners, sergeants-gone-berserk, and virgin-typists is a nation? If nationalism is truly the hallmark of a people in the prime of its youth and energies, how does it happen that under its aegis morality decays, ancient customs die out—that men are uprooted, the steadfast derided, the thoughtful branded, the rivers poisoned, and the forests destroyed?"

That's just a snip from the book. And btw, he was undoubtedly a conservative and a terrible elitest, but man, was he prescient. The above passage was written in 1940.

[northzax]

59. with all due respect

past honorable military service has no real bearing on current patriotism, real or expressed. It is only a part of the picture. There are an awful lot of people with superior military records who are, frankly, assholes.

[Kber]

71. The difference between believing in your country b/c you love it

and loving your country b/c you believe in it is the difference between the republican and democratic concepts of patriotism.

[panAmerican]

31. Miseducation leads to people being hositle to desecration of myth.

Miseducation responsible for people not wanting to hear that a nation capable of great accomplishments is also capable of great cruelty.

[Terri S]

32. Bringing up how King was also villified for his words ..

Think about that.. much of what Martin said back then is very similar to what Wright says now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92-r05TH9qs">Link

[oviedodem]

33. Members came to his church sunday after 9/11 asking why this happened

as a pastor he has to explain why god did this.

Refer to Psalm 137.

[panAmerican]

35. Links terrorism against innocent Native Americans and slaves to terrorism against our innocents

[DerekJ]

37. Thanks for your updates, Keep'em coming.

[stray cat]

38. The media calling shuts in and members in hospice for stories

how thoughtlessly invasive.

[Patsy Stone]

39. Rev. Wright: "It wasn't a failure of communication."

"People who heard the whole sermon understood exactly what was being communicated. Those using soundbites for other purposes communicated exactly what they intended to."

Amen, Reverend.

[stray cat]

41. Our media does us a disservice and people revel in their own ignorance

[Patsy Stone]

49. The exact point he just made

quite eloquently. :thumbsup:

[stray cat]

52. It really is an eloquent statement - It should be used more often to attack this type of attacker

[panAmerican]

58. We're easily offended because we live in a culture that values self-esteem above correct knowledge

[panAmerican]

40. Threats from other "Christians" that they will harm TUCC mbrs "in Jesus' name"?! WOW.

[stray cat]

42. This guy is defintely not the person the media is portraying him to be

He and his church have been terribly wronged. I'm sure I disagree with him on some things but he is impressive.

[hollowdweller]

60. He's not backing down on anything he said

But in the context of this show I don't see anything he said is that bad. He preaches like a Baptist preacher though and I can see how somebody who wasn't familiar with that sort of preaching would take the yelling for wild anger. I grew up with that though so I see it more as just building up to the climax of his sermon.

[Terri S]

43. Something positive coming out of this..

Senator Obama's speech on race.

[panAmerican]

44. Quotes Joseph in Old Testament who forgave brothers who sold him...

into slavery, saying you meant it for evil, but God turned it around for good. Talks about how he's no stranger to having disagreements with Goverment (i.e. apartheid and calling for divestment), but this latest issue is unsettling.

[panAmerican]

46. Farrakhan like EF Hutton: when he speaks, people listen, though they may disagree

[whistle]

47. Is there a video link of the interview yet?

[Forkboy]

50. They usually put it up over the weekend on PBS' site.

[Forkboy]

53. I'm convinced more than ever that who don't get him simply are afraid to..

..or they have ulterior motives that require using fear to manipulate.

[Frank Booth]

69. I think most people are just too lazy to seek out the sermons to get the context,

and they have problems thinking critically about these issues.

It's much easier just to be told what to think by the tv. I can understand how people are disturbed when all they see is the 30 second snippets that are continuously blasted. It's not like the media has tried to put the comments in context or explain that this guy is a preacher in a respected mainstream church who has done a lot of good things for this country.

[panAmerican]

51. Some Bible personalities had belief that different = deficient; talks about anti-semitism in Bible

[Terri S]

54. This was an outstanding interview

The moment this whole 'scandal' erupted I researched Rev. Wright. I knew a great deal about Senator Obama but very little about Rev. Wright. Afterwards, I was incensed by what the media was portraying him as and wrote nearly everyone I could think of about it, including every media outlet. Unfortunately, too many people took the media's word at face value and never did the digging. I hope this interview is widely shown IN FULL in the same media that so abused his character, but you can bet it won't.

It's up to us to get it out there.

[Alii]

76. I did the same...

This should be mandatory viewing for all thinking people. From beginning to end, not snippets.

Bill Moyers is an excellent interviewer...he can actually listen. That is a rarity, almost nonexistent, in the MSM today.

This interview, and readings, almost reconstituted my faith in the human condition...almost. There are too many sheep accepting the "gospel" of FOX, CNN, et al. Too lazy to think for themselves. Would like to believe that this isn't true...but.

[BeyondGeography]

55. He's a brilliant man in a very often stupid, determinedly uncomprehending country

Personally, I admire his restraint.

[yourguide]

56. MSM HUGE FAIL!

Great interview with Reverend Wright, really amazing!

Hopefully it will shut up the MSM...all except fox I'm sure.

[panAmerican]

57. After "politician" comment, says Obama DID NOT DISOWN HIM!!!!

Now why do you think the rest of the phrase was not part of any of the excerpts that the media disseminated today? I knew there had to be more to that line.

[Terri S]

64. Notice how they've already spun this broadcast

to misinterpret his words again! ALL of MSM needs to be called out for this. This man has had death threats for chrissakes and it is directly attributed to their mischaracterization of who this man is. It's a shame that most people will never see this broadcast. Intelligent, responsible journalists like Moyers aren't shown on prime-time.

[jenmito]

73. I emailed CNN and MSNBC after they took his words in this interview out of context, claiming

he said Obama gave his race speech for nothing more than political reasons. :eyes:

[bigbrother05]

61. Just starting here

[panAmerican]

63. Great, then you can fill in some of the dots I missed.

[donheld]

62. It's not on for another hour here

I'll watch it then.

[EFerrari]

72. I hate to wait.

:)

[stray cat]

65. Thanks for starting the thread!

[panAmerican]

66. This interview will help Obama. Wright obviously is the kind of pastor who...

goes out of his way to educate his listeners. Talks about hermeneutics, which means your frame of reference will dictate what you pay attention to, unless you take off the blinders.

[panAmerican]

68. 1987: Wright criticized churches that preach platitudes, but didn't help alleviate social injustices

[Terri S]

70. The video is up at Moyer's site...

If anyone missed it or wants to see it again

Link

[panAmerican]

74. Good deal. Thx Terri