If HRC wants the nomination she must tell us how she'll win 90% of the black vote w/ a high turnout

[bluestateguy]

I'd like to know why Hillary's weakness with blacks is not as much of an issue as Obama's weakness with white lower income voters. The latter is a fair issue, but if Hillary wants this nomination, her alienation of black voters is also a fair issue to raise as it pertains to her ability to win in November. To win in November, a Democrat needs to win about half of the working class white vote, give or take a few percentage points. That was the best Bill Clinton could achieve in 1992 and 1996. But a Democrat also needs 90% of the black vote, and a high turnout. A 75% win or 90% with a low turnout will not cut it.

We have heard far more about Obama's white working class problem than Hillary's black voter problem. So I think it is fair to ask what Hillary's plan is for accomplishing this objective.

[mmonk]

1. They blew it with the race baiting but they still don't get it.

The Clintons are in take no prisoners mode. It's their party or nobody's it appears.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. The same way the party does w/o any ethnic block. If I were Hispanic

I'd see things differently too, I suppose.

[Doctor_J]

3. It won't matter. Besides the black voters who are turned off by her race-baiting,

there are 10 million or so young people who won't vote. She'll get creamed.

[Sparkly]

4. I think it's about numbers.

It's about what percentage of supporters would/wouldn't vote for the alternative candidate vs. staying home or voting for McCain. I don't think the numbers on that are anywhere near firm at this point, but it's one argument.

Another is the numbers such percentages represent in total.

I'm not following the polls very closely, so I'm not sure. And I think until a general election really gets going, it'll be hard to predict for either of them; but we OUGHT to be able to win both those demographics against McCain. Hopefully!

[jody]

5. Agree re HC and 90% of the black vote & BO tell us how he'll win 90% of the white blue-collar vote.

[bluestateguy]

12. He needs 45-50% of the blue collar white vote

About what Clinton and Carter got in their wins.

Expect him to poll better than Gore or Kerry with affluent white voters.

[jody]

13. You may be right if BO can convince voters of his changed position on divisive, polarizing issues.

[psychmommy]

6. they assume we'll come out and vote dem anyway.

they continue to take our vote for granted. don't assume this time clintons.

[crankychatter]

10. all this handwringing over the white backlash vote REALLY gives me flashbacks

This is the same kind of crap they used to justify the perpetuation of Jim Crow... defacto Segregation and on and on...

"We're just not "ready," because White people will never accept it."

It's an outright lie.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. I guess she would have to figure out a way for Obama to stop shouting "Racism!"

and distorting her statements.

It is purposeful. Obama is dividing the party by race to win the election.

The question is not what is Clinton going to do...she has proven herself a friend in her diligent fight for civil rights and progressive issues. She had no problem with the black vote before Obama started using Willie horton type ads.

Obama MADE this about race. He did not have to. And what he did was to gather the black voters against her.

Michelle Obama said that there was something wrong with a black person who would not vote for Obama.

"Our time is now."

[anigbrowl]

11. EE, you are so full of shit

I saw some of the things Bill Clinton said in NC and I was annoyed and offended. I didn't need any talking heads in the media or anyone in the Obama campaign to tell me how I should feel about it, I sat at my own kitchen table and exclaimed 'He did not just say that!'.

Having been a big fan of Bill Clinton since 1992, this spring has been pretty painful for me. When he said two weeks ago "Next her opponent will say vote for me because I don't steal cars" I was so mad I changed the channel rather than listen to him any longer.

I find it shameful and embarrassing, and I'm white. My other half is Asian-American, and she's *pissed*.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

24. More lovely classy posts from an Obama supporter that

refuses to see reality and when hit with it--attacks.

Democracy at its finest. "Shut up and don't post here anymore."

[crankychatter]

8. Don't get her going

I don't EVEN want to hear her fake more idiom.

[psychmommy]

16. lol

[Bensthename]

9. And us whites who will know that it was stolen not earned...

This white working class male and his white working class male friends will not vote if this is stolen from Obama.. Nope. We were just talking about this yesterday, all whopping 5 of us..

[WillyT]

14. Great Point !!!

:yourock:

[lastliberalintexas]

15. Because most Blacks aren't stupid?

I'm sorry, I just think this is a ridiculous argument against her, just like the argument that Obama will have problems with the women's vote is also idiocy.

So long as either of them wins this fair and square, I can't see any Dem voting block sitting out this election.

[UALRBSofL]

18. If you think the AA voters wont turn out to vote there best interest then you are seriously naive

They don't want to turn things back another 20-30 years. I don't think anyone does. I believe everyone will turn out to vote no matter whom the nominee is. You say the Clinton's are racists but they are not, and it is just sad you feel that way. If you really think the AA's would prefer not to vote and allow McCain to be our next president then that is even sadder.

[totodeinhere]

19. So you think that if AA's perceive that the nomination was stolen from a black man...

they won't react to that? What a naive assumption.

[UALRBSofL]

20. What is naive is the idea the AA would sit and allow a person like McCain tobe voted

in to office. Do you think they wouldn't care that McCain would be in office? Do you really believe they would take a chance on going through another 4 years of Bush policies?

[totodeinhere]

21. Yes, their anger would be so strong that IMO they would do just that.

What we are talking about here is historic. For the first time in history we have an AA man who has a legitimate chance to be elected president. If it happens, it would be one of the greatest moments in our nation's history. So what do you think would happen if this historic opportunity were stolen? The anger in the AA community would be palpable. I hope I'm wrong but we could very well see racial riots. And their anger would be so strong that they would indeed take it out on the Democratic Party and it might actually set the party back for decades.

[Arkansas Granny]

23. I'd like to look at this from a different perspective.

To have the first viable AA candidate running against the first viable woman candidate for the Democratic nomination is historic in itself. I certainly never expected to see this scenario in my lifetime. The fact that both of these candidates are so far superior to the Republican nominee makes it even more exciting.

Whichever way this nomination goes, there will be a large group of people who are very disappointed and some will feel that the nomination was stolen from their candidate. Much of the supporters reaction will be based on how their candidate handles the situation. If the loser immediately comes out in support of the winner they will, over time, be able to convince their supporters that voting for the Democratic candidate will be in their best interests and the best interest of America.

It has been a long primary season and passions have run high. When the nominee is announced I hope we can all come together and throw our full support to getting him/her elected to the Presidency. We have a chance to make history with either of these candidates.

[mod mom]

22. What about the anti-war vote? the Move-on folks? she's alientated them as well.

[invictus]

25. K & R