I just saw Jeremiah Wright with Bill Moyers and I have one thing to say about that man.....

[Cali_Democrat]

JEREMIAH WRIGHT FUCKING ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:


Check out this video.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkHBJS19F8

[LakeSamish706]

1. I so totally agree with you... n/t

[flpoljunkie]

48. His "chickens coming home to roost," CIA's "blowback," came from Amb. Peck in Fox News appearance

His name is Ambassador Edward Peck. And he is a retired, white, career U.S. diplomat who served 32-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and was chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq under Jimmy Carter -- hardly the black-rage image with which Wright has been stigmatized.

In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Wright then went on to list more than a few U.S. foreign policy endeavors that, by the tone of his voice and manner of his expression, he viewed as more or less deplorable. This included, as has been demonstrated in the endless loop of clips from his sermon, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and nuking "far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye."

"Violence begets violence," Wright said, "hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html

[Alameda]

61. Wright is fabulous,

I understood what he was saying, I'm glad Moyers did this and I hope many will see it too.

[tekisui]

2. KNR!!!

Impressive man, great interview.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. w00t!!!

I love Wright. Fuck the corporate media and their bullshit.

[ClayZ]

3. Video Links K and R MUST SEE!

April 25, 2008

Bill Moyers interviews the Reverend Jeremiah Wright in his first broadcast interview with a journalist since he became embroiled in a controversy for his remarks and his relationship with Barack Obama. Wright, who retired in early 2008 as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Senator Obama is a member, has been at the center of controversy for comments he made during sermons, which surfaced in the press in March.


Part One: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html


Part Two: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch2.html

[havocmom]

9. Thanks, will watch tomorrow

[alphafemale]

27. Thanx. Just watched part 1

Very impressed.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. AWESOME videos....

K&R

[SeattleGirl]

4. I'm watching right now.

Just came on here in SeattleLand.

[John Q. Citizen]

5. I just saw it too. Great show and it was great to hear him speak about a the so-called controversy

He's a very honest and straight forward person.

I can see exactly why Bill Clinton called on him in his time of need, and I can see why Barack has had a long time relationship with him as his spiritual adviser. While I'm agnostic, I can still recognize a high level intelligence and humanity that's rare.

I highly recommend watching the Moyers interview whether one supports Barack for President or whether one supports Senator Clinton. You will learn something.

[nichomachus]

Have it TiVo'ed -- will watch it later

[Carolina]

6. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!

[againes654]

7. Abso-fucking-lutly!!!!

K&R

Awesome interview, a must see for everyone, especially those that think Rev. Wright spews hate.

[Diane R]

10. But, but, but..."He would not be MY pastor". ~ Hillary Clinton

[ClayZ]

11. He might have taught her a thing or two,

kick

[newmajority]

17. Another one of Hillary's lies.

Reverend Wright WAS Bill's pastor for a while (or one of them, at least). And since Hillary claims all of Bill's experience as hers, that makes Rev. Wright her pastor.

[fortyfeetunder]

63. How about that?

When Bill was dealing with the repercussions of Monicagate, who was one of the ministers by his side when he was looking for forgiveness?

I think Bill and Hill need to do some zipping and it isn't just the flies!

[JerseygirlCT]

50. I don't imagine *he* would have spent much time with "the Family"

either.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. He Was Pretty Much What I Expected

This is exactly the type of fellow that I'd expect Obama to be close to - smart, warm, and passionate. I couldn't imagine he'd be a fire-breathing loon.

It was a great interview.

[TeeYiYi]

13. Does anyone know . . .

. . . what the word was that he used when talking about framing your view through a small window? It sounded like 'hermanuity.' I'm obviously spelling it incorrectly. Does anyone know what the actual word was and how to spell it?

TYY :shrug:

[SeattleGirl]

15. Hermeneutic, from Wikipedia:

Hermeneutics may be described as the development and study of theories of the interpretation and understanding of texts. In contemporary usage in religious studies, hermeneutics refers to the study of the interpretation of religious texts.

It is more broadly used in contemporary philosophy to denote the study of theories and methods of the interpretation of all texts and systems of meaning. The concept of "text" is here extended beyond written documents to any number of objects subject to interpretation, such as experiences. A hermeneutic is also defined as a specific system or method for interpretation, or a specific theory of interpretation. However, the contemporary philosopher Hans-Georg Gadamer has said that hermeneutics is an approach rather than a method and, further, that the Hermeneutic circle is the central problem of interpretation.

Essentially, hermeneutics involves cultivating the ability to understand things from somebody else's point of view, and to appreciate the cultural and social forces that may have influenced their outlook. Hermeneutics is the process of applying this understanding to interpreting the meaning of written texts and symbolic artifacts (such as art or sculpture or architecture), which may be either historic or contemporary.

The meaning of hermeneutics and its range, depend strongly on the precision of definitions of such terms as: interpretation, understanding, point of view, and the choice of its domain of interest/(domain of intervention). On the other hand, as in the case of other abstract terms, definitions depend on the consensus of their users, and can evolve with time.

Hermeneutics interest includes also recognition and explanation of parables, metaphors and insinuations.

[TeeYiYi]

20. Thank you SeattleGirl. . .

. . . I tried a couple of variations on spelling using Google, but no luck. I want to add 'hermeneutics' to my personal lexicon. I love Bill Moyers' Journal and I'm inspired by Reverend Wright. I enjoyed every minute of tonight's show.

TYY :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

26. I didn't know how to spell it either, so I went to the Journal's webside,

and looked at the transcript. :hi:

[cliffordu]

25. Bravo. That explanation is truly breathtaking in it's scope.

:patriot:

[SeattleGirl]

28. I didn't look it up until after the interview, and once I read the definition,

it added a lot more to what Rev. Wright was saying.

[1776Forever]

46. His example was the different prayers being said on the top of the slave ship & below - Brilliant!!!

Essentially, hermeneutics involves cultivating the ability to understand things from somebody else's point of view, and to appreciate the cultural and social forces that may have influenced their outlook.

[hisownpetard]

52. EUREKA! The definition of 'hermaneutics' describes Obama's unique ability to see both

sides of an issue and be an impartial listener:

*"Essentially, hermeneutics involves *cultivating the ability to understand things from somebody else's
point of view, and to appreciate the cultural and social forces that may have influenced their outlook."*

That is exactly what he was trying to do when he said he could understand the residual anger of some older African-Americans,
and he could understand the 'bitterness' of some middle-class white people who've lost jobs, etc.

It all makes sense.
Rev. Wright is an eminently intelligent and accomplished scholar who (ironically, given the public perception of him that's developed
in recent weeks) apparently deserves a lot of credit for teaching Barack Obama TOLERANCE and increasing the depth of his understanding.

Amazing.

K&R!!!!

[Political Heretic]

32. Hermeneutic - I know this only from my religious studies days.

It is commonly describing the "lens" of interpretation for religious texts.

[rateyes]

14. I love Rev. Wright, but right now I'm trying very hard not to get

a mental image of "Jeremiah Wright fucking rocks." :evilgrin:

[FightingIrish]

16. What kind of cynical bastard would use a good man like this

as a weapon in a political campaign. No matter whom you support, you have to condemn the dishonesty of using Wright's statement so completely out of context. If this is the best Obama's opposition can do, let's get on with the GE and an Obama landslide.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Wright is an honest man that speaks the TRUTH about 9/11.

Thank you for seeing the facts. Wright is a MARINE that has fought HARD for this country and it's ideals. That's a lot more than Cheney or Bush can say. It's a shame what the media and the conservatives have done to this man.

[H2O Man]

40. Someone who

wants to punish those who dare speak the truth.

[TahitiNut]

64. On the button again, my friend.

Some try to change perceptions for personal gain. Some try to change the world for the betterment of all. I'll gladly join the latter. Every time.

[il_lilac]

18. he is a true patriot

speaking truth to power and working for change!

[Cali_Democrat]

35. Bingo. It's so sad how this man is trying to be silenced for speaking the TRUTH.

[lordsummerisle]

19. Agreed

I watched the interview and I still don't see what the all the fuss was about...HE should be the Straight Talk Express...

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Amen Amen Amen

He sure speaks for me.

[Cali_Democrat]

30. Thanks!!! He speaks for me too!!

bump!!

[Frustratedlady]

22. I was not only impressed with the interview with Moyers, but...

his background compared to George, Cheney and Bill Clinton....

"Even the angry comments of Jeremiah Wright have to be read as the bitter complaint of a spurned lover. Like millions of other blacks, Wright was willing to serve the country while suffering rejection. He surrendered his student deferment in 1961, voluntarily joined the Marines and, after a two-year stint, volunteered to become a Navy corpsman. He excelled and became valedictorian, later a cardiopulmonary technician and eventually a member of the President's medical team. Wright cared for Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery, earning three White House letters of commendation."

Then, you have George, Cheney and Bill Clinton:

Dick Cheney, born in the same year as Wright, received five deferments--four while an undergraduate or graduate student and one as a prospective father. Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush used their student deferments to remain in college until 1968. Clinton did not serve, and Bush was on active duty in the National Guard for two years. If time in uniform is any measure, Wright, much more than Cheney, Clinton or Bush, embodies Obama's ideal of "Americans have shown their love of country by struggling and sacrificing and risking their lives to bring us that much closer to our founding promise."

Wright's critics have confused nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is the uncritical support of one's country regardless of its moral or political bearing. Patriotism is the affirmation of one's country in light of its best values, including the attempt to correct it when it's in error. Wright's words are the tough love of a war-tested patriot speaking his mind--one of the great virtues of our democracy. The most patriotic thing his nation can do now is extend to him the same right for which he was willing to die.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,173480...

[Cali_Democrat]

36. Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

nice post :thumbsup:

[cliffordu]

24. I completely agree. I don't go to church, but I want to go to his!!!

He is EVERYTHING a spiritual advisor should be.

Those who would vilify him can kiss my big white ass.

[Raine]

31. He was WONDERFUL...

so impressive. Those clips they show always make him look like a raving loon, he's so the opposite. I wish everyone could've seen him on Moyer. It's just infuriating what they have tried to do to discredit this man, I'm livid! :grr:

[Cali_Democrat]

34. The media fears a TRUE patriot!!!

[JackORoses]

33. this is why the MSM is in such a tizzy. Wright is destroying the image of him they have built.

He is showing the Public his real face and the MSM know that he is undermining their charicature.

They are desperate to put him back into 5 second sound bytes which they control.
A live interview with an intelligent, compassionate human being undercuts their smear and speaks directly to the public.
It humanizes Wright to the People who up until now have only seen the worst images of him.
This is seriously angered those who worked so carefully to bring Oama down with this.
They cannot believe this man has the audacity to question their authority to do so.

[Secret_Society]

37. I see anger in these clips...not the hope that inspires so many

[SeattleGirl]

38. Two points:

1. The anger is the Rev. Wright's, and I think he is well justified in it.

2. Obama is the one talking about hope. Yes, he got "The Audacity of Hope" from Rev. Wright, but it sounds like you're confusing the two. (Not being snarky; just making an observation.)

[Cali_Democrat]

39. Jesus H. Christ.

Don't be a brainwashed boob. Open your eyes and realize our country is corrupted.

[Cali_Democrat]

43. Anger or you mean TRUTH?

:shrug:

[stillcool]

44. "The hope that inspires many"

What particular sermons are you referring to?

[Rose Siding]

45. We see things very differently.

Such committment to lifting up one's community, as I see in Rev Wright, is our only hope.

[ClayZ]

49. Wright is right!

kick

[krkaufman]

47. As in ... "If you're not angry, then you haven't been paying attention" anger?

Or just scary militant black nationalist anger? :)

[lligrd]

53. Being Angry And Having Hope Are Not Mutually Exclusive

Anyone who is not angry has not been paying attention or is a complete moron. Have you been paying attention?

[DB1]

59. Thanks for letting me have the pleasure of ignoring the ignorant.

[baldguy]

62. I see anger in those clips too.

Taken alone, out of their context and devoid of any meaning other than what the RW propagandists WANT their audience to see.

If all you see is anger, then they have succeeded.

[TahitiNut]

65. Anyone not angry isn't paying attention ... or lacks conscience.

The opposite of love isn't hate. It's apathy.

[fascisthunter]

69. You See What You Want to See in Him

Probably nothing but projection.

[Secret_Society]

72. I'm using this to repond to all the respones to my comment

I was referring to politics. Some of us here have forgotten that politics is a tough business and as many Democrats have seen in the past. inspirational and progressive candidates don't change Washington, though it is the most common political strategy (and we still by it) to "run against Washington." From a political perspective, I was commenting that the Rev. Wright issue is a problem because it has, whether rightly or not (I believe rightly), contradicted Obama. To the average voter this is a problem because, whether Wright is correct or not, people don't like to have their ills shoved in their face. That's why so many like Obama. He looks to the future with hope rather than harping on our divisions. When voters see Wright, they sense a contradiction with Obama's forward looking message. We cannot forget that politics will always be politics. Truth will always be truth, but that isn't always politics. Rev. Wright might be angry for good reasons. But when one is trying to get elected it is ridiculous to get angry when most Americans don't understand, or don;t care, that Rev. Wright was angry for good reasons. The informed citizenry that Ike called for does not exist. The Republicans know that and exploit it brilliantly. This contradiction between the tone of Obama and Rev. Wright, whether actual or manufactured, will arise in the GE. This is my fear. Sorry I ranted a bit. Thanks.

Edit: typo

[TragedyandHope]

41. K & R

I pity those who are so malleable to be swayed by a handful of targeted, out of context sound bites.

[Vinca]

42. As Sally Quinn suggested, let's put Bill Clintons "life" on a 20 second

tape and play it over and over and over and over. Will Monica, Paula, Gennifer, Kathleen and the rest be a true indicator of Bill Clinton's accomplishments in life?

[lonestarnot]

51. K & R

[Road Scholar]

54. K&R nt

[yellerpup]

55. What poetry.

In awe. K&R :kick:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

56. And wasn't it nice

that Bill Moyers didn't interrupt or talk over him. The Reverend is a learned, thoughtful scholar and a credit to his congregation.

[ekwhite]

57. Bill Moyers is an example of a real journalist

He has always been a class act.

[mcollier]

58. Thanks for the OP.

How much of the good stuff will really get cycled over and over in the mainstream media.

Id like to see them cycle this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjcLCDUrAk

[elleng]

60. Delete the 'F******.'

He sure does!

[Kaleko]

66. K & R for everyone in this thread. It's time to restore J. Wright's reputation

[bow-tie]

67. He never said "God damn America"

he said "God damned America" as opposed to blessing America. This whole thing is bullshit.

[ekwhite]

71. I think he did say "God Damn America," but it doesn't matter that much

He said it in reference to Psalm 137 and its reference to 'dashing baby's brains against the rocks,' as he says.

He is preaching in that context, and bringing it back to 'violence begets violence.' His sermon is about how governments fail, and how our loyalty should be to God first and government second. It is a brilliant sermon delivered in classic hellfire and brimstone terms.

[RichardRay]

68. If I new NOTHING else about the man, I would be prejudiced in

his favor for having the unmitigated chutzpah to use the word 'hermeneutics' on national television.

As presented in the definition posted above, it's one of those ideas that just keeps giving and giving. It's not simple, not easy and not the sort of thing you want in a 20 second sound bite, but absolutely what the Reverend meant.

Since I do know more about him, it's just a feather in his cap.

[scarletwoman]

70. Absolutely, he rocks!

That was one of the most inspiring hours of television I've ever seen.

sw