It's time for the babies to get what they want.

[Neshanic]

Hillary needs to stop now. Of the two spectaular failures offered up for our choice, one should drop out now, and the logical one to do so is Hillary.

By doing so, the following will be avoided:

Pissing off entire younger generations of voters that are Obmamists. They need to have their guy this time, and if we don't give it to them, we will not have these younger voters around any longer.

Obama will be able to devote all his time to defending himself against the Republican machine. Every day this goes on now makes him a weaker candidate than he already is.

By Hillary being out, the blame of the loss of the election in November will be somewhat forgotten, and some healing can occur. Every day she stays in, the alienation, division, and damage intensifies to our party. If she stays in till the convention, we run a serious risk of becoming a very fractured party.

I am not even remotely confident that Obama will win, but we need to clean up the mess at hand. Get one candidate. That one should be Obama. He has the following of youth and promised "change".

It is a very sad and pathetic situation we find ourselves in, but Hillary needs to drop out to keep the party from making a mistake that will promise to haunt us for years.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

1. It would almost be a good post, were it not so condescending.

[yellowcanine]

57. I agree, very condescending. I am no baby at 57 years old and I am for Obama.

[Mme. Defarge]

65. Got ya beat by 3 years!

With friends like the OP ...

[Lucinda]

2. No. It really isn't time for babies to get what they want.

Regardless how old they are.
Not everyone has voted yet.

[Neshanic]

6. We are in a lose-lose situation. Barring an epic stupidity move

from McCain, and I mean EPIC, the camera is on us and our two fighting it out. We are coming to a point of no return within the next two weeks. Hillary must drop out to stop damage that we will not recover from for years.

McCain is almost super teflon. The more the fight goes on between Obama and Hillary, the more teflon he gets.

Give them their idol. Then let him perform.

[Epiphany4z]

19. I think McCain

is looking pretty bad and we are not even devoting ourselves to kicking him around yet. It may be just me but he looks a bit doddering to me and some of the things he has been saying on the campaign trail are going to make great commercials and bumper stickers.

I think we just need to get our primary over and enter the fight in ernist..for once I think we have the grass roots to pic up whatever mess our candidate has left from the primary...but we do need to start making campaigning work for McSame.

[coyotespaw]

23. He's looking bad to those of us wonky enough

to post about these things on a message board; but to Joe Six Pack, he's the maverick riding high on the straight-talk express. Meanwhile, Obama and Clinton look to them like a bunch of third graders pushing each other around on the playground. I'm wonky enough to agree with you, but we need to get this primary over with so we can finally start getting our message together, and pass it around to the NASCAR fans.

[Lucinda]

62. Sorry, but to me that just crying "the sky is falling"

And if the "youth" want their vote to matter, then they need to get out and vote. And do it consistently. Voting isn't a game you let a child win to boost their ego.

[Straight Shooter]

64. "If the youth want their vote to matter ..."

All of a sudden, this election, it's important?? Where was everyone in 2000 when Gore was running and 2004 when Kerry was running for president? The issues were just as critical then, even more so with the benefit of hindsight, but just because neither Gore nor Kerry had "rock star" or "American idol" auras, there weren't enough votes to cancel out election fraud.

I thought Kerry was a dud as far as personality, but I did everything I could to promote him locally, and I voted for him. All I care about is competence, not charisma.

[Lucinda]

69. Yup. Substance always trumps style.

But the OP was dealing with letting the babies have their way.
I am disinclined to acquiesce.

[Political Heretic]

44. I'm curious, if someone had reached 2025 delegates, would you still be concerned that not everyone

has voted yet?

I'm trying to understand why this year, for the first time, there is so much sentiment about everyone voting in a primary, when normally its locked up long before all states have gone to the polls.

[Lucinda]

61. Yup. I think everyone should be able to vote.

Always have. As it stands now, some years it might make a difference, some it won't. Which is stupid. This push to wind things up before all the states participate is precisely why many states complain. And it's part of why MI pushed their primary up. EVERY Dem who wants to have a say in our nominee SHOULD have a vote that M A T T E R S.

Our system is broken. It needs fixing. I'm trying to understand why more people don't care.

[wileedog]

63. Because the time for fixing broken systems is not mid-election

Plus it doesn't help that the one's really pushing to change it are the one's who desperately need it changed to stay in an election.

Hypocrisy is a poor motivator.

[Lucinda]

68. No one said it was. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be alowed to vote NOW though.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. You seem bitter. nt

[OzarkDem]

4. Young voters are about 15% of Dem voters

Sorry, but in spite of their yelling, tantrums and stomping around, there's not enough of them to carry the GE.

[Neshanic]

11. So say they are 15%. These are the future voters. This is about keeping

a group that will stand by their guy no matter what, and if he does not get that nomination, that 15% will suddenly get bigger and go somewhere else, where there they get what they want.

This is not a gay demographic. We get shit on by both candidates equally and still vote Democratic.

This is a group that can make a difference somewhere else, and being pissed off about their guy not getting the nod may be the begining of other places they can go than us.

[grasswire]

43. where will they go?

green party? Ha.

[Political Heretic]

45. Home. They will stay at home for another generation.

[grasswire]

59. take their toys and go home, eh? (eom)

[Kittycat]

14. And what % would you say the Activist Base is? Or all the other groups she ran over with her bus?

Just curious - because her likability it in the tank, and she's the most politically divisive person currently in our party.

[GarbagemanLB]

28. and what about the percentage of support that comes from the AA community?

[OzarkDem]

60. 15% of voters in the GE isn't a lot

Its great when you add them in with the rest of Dem voters, but they're not enough to win the GE alone.

And that's all that matters, winning the GE.

[calmblueocean]

5. Let's start by not calling each other babies. :)

It's funny, I have a lot of sympathy for Hillary, and a lot of respect for her tenacity. She is an incredible campaigner and no one can force her off the stage if she doesn't want to go. But this is not her moment, and the graciousness with which she exits the stage will define the future course of her political career, and maybe the future course of our country.

My hope is that Hillary supporters help Obama supporters learn how to connect with people who remain unconvinced. I do think the sooner we get on the same page, the more likely we are to win in November.

[anonymous171]

7. I think Obama has a good chance if Hillary drops out, actually.

Depends on his VP.

[ruby slippers]

8. think about it.....young voters and black voters....maybe Rush

sees this scenario and that is why he is encouraging riots.....

The Convention happens and somehow strangely Hillary emerges as the Superdelegates' choice....

Older women voters will thump their canes on the floor, gun owners will shoot off their guns, Bible thumpers will shout "Hallelujah", beer drinkers will celebrate with another round and.....

The young, now disillusioned, will riot like at a football game after a loss and the blacks will riot like it was a Rodney King in LA replay....

Then, George Dubya will declare a national emergency, suspend the Constitution and the elections, and continue his agenda happily ever after....

[Neshanic]

12. You must be joking. Click those slippers.

[ruby slippers]

16. yeah, just trying to be funny....I would

really hate to see that happen....but, you have to admit....that is what Rush is thinking.....

and, I did read once about how they wanted to cause something earthshattering to happen at home so they could do just that. Of course, I read a lot of silly things....and sometimes they make me think they could really do something like that....

Any of us older folks who lived through the race riots and Viet Nam protests and remember Chicago and LA and the marches on Washington can relate, though. They were pretty intense.

[Seabiscuit]

37. Today, we can't even get 1% of DU'ers off their arses to attend an anti-war rally.

Rush is dreaming his sick twisted dream if he thinks he can get anyone to riot any more.

[Seeker30]

9. Yea, she should drop out to avoid pissing off young 'Obmamists'

Give me a fucking break.

[Breeze54]

10. How, exactly, is the party being "damaged"?

I've been hearing this line of bullshit a lot lately on the M$M and political talk shows and now here on DU and I think it's ridiculous.

It's nothing but more spin, as is your OP and no, I'm not an HRC or a BHO supporter

:eyes:

[Neshanic]

13. It's not ridiculous. It's not like the candidates are that different enough

to have this type of tear apart for. They are basically the same person.

[Breeze54]

20. Exactly and it's not tearing apart the party at all. n/t

[Kittycat]

15. If you don't understand...

Then I'd suggest reading the McGovern interview on HuffPo. Or maybe the Clyburn one. Just remember though - McGovern endorsed HRC, and Clyburn - no one.

[Neshanic]

17. Oh that's a person I want to get election advice from. McGovern.

[Breeze54]

21. I understand it's a load of BS!

You can believe what the M$M spins. Have fun. I won't be joining you.

[ruby slippers]

18. so who are you supporting then????

must be McCain or Nadar?

[Breeze54]

22. Hey rubyslippers, click them three times and get back to reality.

:eyes:


My candidate dropped out of the race. The three that are left do not thrill me.

BTW? Why don't you have a profile? What are you hiding?

[ruby slippers]

25. oh, ah, didn't think about that....so who did you support? And,

don't know how to put in a profile. Why is that necessary? I'm married, old and fat....

[Breeze54]

26. Dennis Kucinich is my candidate and

you are under suspicion without a profile. Click OPTIONS above and create one.

Your age and weight have nothing to do with your profile but your political views do.

[ruby slippers]

29. Here is my profile....

registered Independent
Obama supporter
retired teacher
happily married
proud grandmother
published author
size 2XL
L. Frank Baum adorer

Is that enough?

And, the FBI already has my profile anyway...because I hate Dubya...

[Breeze54]

30. But you still don't have a DU profile.

Posting who you are about to me isn't the point.

DU members get suspicious of members that do not have profiles, that's all I'm saying.

[ruby slippers]

32. Really? I don't spend time looking up others' profiles. You can

put anything you want in there. But, do they really take the time to check you out?

Why would they be suspicious of me? I think I post pro-Democrat (well, in this case Pro-Obama)and besides, I do like a little privacy in my world.

But, thanks for taking me under your wing anyway.

[Breeze54]

33. Yes, people do look at profiles and

I didn't say they'd be specifically suspicious of you but there have been 'suspicious' posts lately by newer members and so, I'm just saying that to have 'street cred' you might want to create a profile.

[ruby slippers]

34. OK, I put in a profile just for you and the others.....oh, and

I used to write on the side for a guy who hosted a liberal radio talk show who supported and endorsed Kucinich in 2004. I think K. spoke the truth, but I just didn't ever think he had the charisma to get elected. Too bad we place such value on looks and stuff, huh? So, who will you vote for, Breeze?

[Breeze54]

35. I don't know.

But I can't see your profile, just in case you thought it was visible.

I think you have to go to Options and then Edit your preferences

and then click YES to allow others to see your profile.

Edit the information in the form below to modify your preferences.

When done, click on "Update" button to finish.

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[ruby slippers]

36. Thanks. You were right.

I had it still hidden.....but it should be there now. And, yes, I guess I had been on the profile page before. After all, I put in my "signature" (did you watch any of my Youtubes?) AND I uploaded the avatar.

Now, if I can only get the HTML to work correctly for putting in links that aren't http but words. (like in my sig line)

[Breeze54]

38. Yeah!! Congratulations! I see it !!

:woohoo: You are learning and I saw your avatar! What the H is it? :P

Links that aren't words? :shrug: Do you mean like my sig or just a link?

To put a link in your sigline, just click on 'edit your profile'; then add the link to your signature line. ;)

Use this to leave a space between other things on your sigline. <br> = 'break' if you have more than one thing in your sig line.

To post a picture in your post, just post the direct link, like from Photobucket or a pic from google.

HREF link with text display--> 'bracket' link : URL | Text 'close bracket' (without the spaces I added)

URL is without the " http :// ".

Example: 'bracket' link : www . dcscripts . com | DCScripts 'close bracket'

[ruby slippers]

40. The avatar is from the ones here at DU....it is

the only thing that was red. I tried the Birkenstocks (to go with my shoe name) but it didn't stand out enough so this was what was left. I have no earthly idea what it is but it looked like something from OZ so I stuck with that. I am not a donation queen yet so I can't upload my own but I wish they had a pair of ruby slippers in their collection.

Now, as to my sig line, yes I already posted the link okay. (Did you click and watch any videos yet?)

But, I want it to not have all the http stuff in it. You know, you can put in a hyperlink but make it say something like Video link and that is underlined then as the hyperlink and when you click it it will take you to the page by using the actual http link.

And, believe me, you must not have seen some of the photos I have already posted. I have done that for awhile now. But, thanks for giving me advice.



Maybe just PM me with more advice. We have used up enough time here in this thread.

BTW, I posted something on McCain and it got moved by the Mods to another thread on another page. Would you know why? I thought it was more appropriate in the Primaries thread than in 911 when it DID NOT even have ANYTHING to do with 911.

[Breeze54]

41. Try this as an avatar- just found it or reduce that other one to avatar size on Photobucket.

Or just save it to your pic folder on your computer and then upload it to use as your avatar.

I have no idea why a thread was moved but anything to do with 9-11 seems to get moved to the 9-11 forum.

when you click it it will take you to the page by using the actual http link.


I posted how to do that above in bold and you can alos look at the HTML lookup table

to get directions on using HTML. I haven't looked at your video's yet.

I don't have DSL, so it will take sometime for me to load them.

Maybe I will with my coffee in the AM. ;)

[ruby slippers]

42. Thanks so much....

I did see your instructions on the posting after I posted back. (yes, what I am trying to do is put in something like your link to Dick G. where you have it as a humor statement.)

Sorry you don't have DSL. Yes, that can be a problem in streaming.

Thanks so much for the avatar, too. I have a great one in my collection on my computer but I guess my problem is that I have not donated to DU so I cannot upload things from my computer according to them. Maybe someday when my ship comes in, ha ha.

I will work at trying to get the sig line right. I know it is probably just something simple and it is too late/early in the am for me to catch what it is yet.

Again, you have made me feel more than welcome. Thanks for all the time. Oh, and in the YouTubes there is a great one about Iraq and another about Afghanistan. I actually wrote the poem in the Afghan one.

[Hissyspit]

49. Your current avatar is the electronic eye of HAL - the computer from "2001: A Space Odyssey"

I think it would be great if you could get the ruby slippers to be your avatar.

[Hissyspit]

48. The avatar is HAL's eye - the computer from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[ruby slippers]

52. not anymore....I now have Slippers!

[Hissyspit]

55. Cool!

Good job.

[Breeze54]

56. Thanks! I had no idea and I've

seen that movie a million times. I was thinking, er... something else. ;)

[blogslut]

24. I am glad you've come to understand the situation

Now hopefully, you'll re-direct the snark to the more deserving. The republicans. :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

27. Way to go.

Being condescending to an entire generation of people. :eyes:

[bhikkhu]

31. Very much appreciated and helpful...

I would have done the same if it came to it (and been as clearly pained).

[Frank Booth]

39. Thank you for your honesty.

It's hard to admit your candidate is done.

[hayu_lol]

47. Hey Ruby...

got a kick out of your L. Frank Baum ref. As of 20 years ago, his grand daughter Ozma was still alive and living in Orange Co CA. More trivia for the lovers of the Oz book series.

[ruby slippers]

51. Wow....I am researching a book on him.....

It will be called "Will the Real L. Frank Baum Please Stand Up?" and will be modeled after the game show "To Tell The Truth". I'm ready to start the manuscript hopefully this Fall now that a lot of my research is done. I know there is Munchkin who still lives near me. I think he was the Coroner. I missed an opportunity to meet him about three weeks ago at a local Mall. But an interview with Ozma would have been great, too.

Are there a lot of OZ or Baum afficienados on DU?

[Political Heretic]

46. The ageism in your post is staggering.

[barack the house]

50. At the end of the day Obama is financially competitive that helps.

[UALRBSofL]

53. Sour grapes

[UALRBSofL]

54. I have an idea, why doesn't Obama ask Ted Kennedy to give Hillary a talking too

Seeing Obama considers him the elder of the Democratic Party maybe Teddy can convince her to step down from a closely contested race.

[GoldieAZ49]

58. Is the party so weak it can no longer handle a contested primary?

Kennedy was much further behind Carter than Hillary is behind Obama and he took it to the convention.

Kennedy’s official announcement was scheduled for early November. There was a prime time interview with CBS’s Roger Mudd and it was a minor disaster. Kennedy flubbed a number of the questions and couldn’t exactly explain why he was running, and the polls, which showed him leading the President by 58-25 in August now had him ahead 49-39.<5> Then the hostages were taken in Tehran, Iran and the bottom fell out of the Kennedy campaign.
Carter’s approval ratings jumped in the 60-percent range in some polls, due to a "rally ‘round the flag" effect<6> and an appreciation of Carter's calm handling of the crisis. Kennedy was suddenly left far behind. Carter beat Kennedy decisively in Iowa and New Hampshire. Carter decisively defeated Kennedy everywhere except Massachusetts, until impatience began to build with the President’s strategy on Iran. When the later primaries in New York, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut came around, it was Kennedy who won largely due to such impatience.
Carter was still able to maintain a substantial lead even after Kennedy swept the last batch of primaries in June. Despite this, Kennedy refused to drop out, and the 1980 Democratic National Convention was one of the nastiest on record. On the penultimate day, Kennedy conceded the nomination and called for a more liberal party platform in what many saw as the best speech of his career. On the platform on the final day, Kennedy for the most part ignored Carter.
The delegate tally at the convention was in part:
Jimmy Carter – 2,129.02
Ted Kennedy – 1,150.48
14 others – 66.5
In the vice presidential roll call, Mondale was re-nominated with 2,428.7 votes to 723.3 not voting and 179 scattering.
The popular votes in the primaries were:<7>
Jimmy Carter (inc.) - 10,043,016 (51.13%)
Ted Kennedy - 7,381,693 (37.58%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980

[DevonRex]

66. Wow. I never thought I'd see you say that. I'm not even offended

by the babies comment since I don't think you meant it to be offensive. I recognize that you're sad about the outcome and you have a right to your feelings.

Will you work for Obama in the GE? I have met so many wonderful democrats during this campaign, and yes, many of them are in their 20s. What bowled me over is how very bright and energetic they are. You'll find the same thing when you start volunteering - and I'm sure you will volunteer because you're a good Dem.

[gulliver]

67. Let them cry in their cribs until they stop.

There are relatively few Obama supporters who are actually crying and holding their breaths to try to force Hillary out by tantrum. Most of the crybabies will still vote Hillary. The remaining very few can be done without in the Democratic party. The energy it takes to keep them can be better used recruiting the emotionally stable.