After Watching the Moyers/Wright Interview, It's Clear Why Hillary Would Not Have Him as Her Pastor.

[tekisui]

Rev. Wright is there to offer hope, comfort and encouragement to those oppressed by the ruling elite.

Rev. Wright's teachings would not be comfortable for someone who believed force was justified in invading a sovereign country.

Rev. Wright's teachings would not be compatible with her belief that dropping Cluster Bombs on Civilian Populations should be allowed and protected by law.

Rev. Wright's teachings would not tolerate a political leader threatening to "obliterate" other sovereign countries.

I get it. Hillary was telling the truth when she said she would not have the honorable Rev. Wright as a Pastor.

[emilyg]

1. If he was my pastor

I'd run like hell.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. I agree. The Family is more my thing.

[tekisui]

3. Would you run from his sermons or the one minute clip played in loop

on the teevee?

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[alphafemale]

Truth told? Jesus would have knocked over our temple tables ages ago.

I got spit on once for carrying a sign with that Jefferson quote about trembling and a "just God."

So I'm really not surprised at the Rev. Wright reaction.

Saddened. But not really surprised.

[MH1]

68. The truth hurts.

Most Americans can't bear to look at the truth. And the media is all too willing to hang a curtain so they don't have to.

[Binka]

6. Em your fat ass could not do a 20 minute mile

running isn't your game dear.

[emilyg]

23. Hi cutie - I weight 110 - what about you sweetheart?

[emilyg]

33. I've noticed that you never have anything intelligent to say

just hate.

[Binka]

65. Mensa Member Fueled By Hate. Here Is My Demon Seed Em She Is Hate Filled Too

[Kittycat]

8. Funny... All the years I spent trying to run away from

my parent's church - I would actually welcome being a member of his. What an enlightening difference.

[anigbrowl]

17. Why, do you find him scary?

Just wondering. I think if he was nearby, I might still be Christian. After seeing the full version of his sermons online I was deeply impressed.

[Forkboy]

18. Emily, did you watch the interview?

If so, can you tell me what bothered you about it? Because to me, he seemed to be spot on on nearly everything (the only thing I have trouble with being the concept of God, period). I'd be curious to hear your reasoning, and whether or not it's based on anything more than the soundbites we've been fed by people who never have a Democrats best interest at heart, or by his actual words and deeds in context. Because I have to be honest, the people harping on him don't look very smart to me the more I see of the man, and the more I actually listen to him without the cloud of support for one candidate or the other. Remove the politics from this and genuinely look at the man.

[emilyg]

35. I watched.

Has two of his sermons, too.

[Forkboy]

38. So what bothers you?

:shrug:

[emilyg]

40. read your mail.

Anything I post here will be ridiculed by the clowns.

[Political Heretic]

52. Would you mind mailing me too? I'd really like to hear your perspective.

Though I admit, as you can tell from an OP I have in GD:P I felt Wright has been characterized unfairly.... but I'd certainly like to hear another point of view.

[ClayZ]

31. You must not have heard him. He is a Holy Man!

Bill Moyers interviews the Reverend Jeremiah Wright in his first broadcast interview with a journalist since he became embroiled in a controversy for his remarks and his relationship with Barack Obama. Wright, who retired in early 2008 as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Senator Obama is a member, has been at the center of controversy for comments he made during sermons, which surfaced in the press in March.


Part One: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html


Part Two: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch2.html


April 25, 2008

More than 3,000 news stories have been penned since early April about Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama. But behind the five second loop is a man who has preached three different sermons nearly every Sunday since 1972. In his interview on BILL MOYERS JOURNAL, Reverend Wright discusses what drew him to the pulpit and the recent controversy surrounding him.


Hear complete sermons here: http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO
and here: http://www.tucc.org

[goclark]

34. Please run and let someone else take your seat

:bounce:

Something tells me that Rev. Wright will have a glorious retirement with book offers and personal appearances and become famous because of what he really is ~ a magnificent minister and a brilliant scholar.

[Skip Intro]

5. Can I get a God Damn America???!!! Can I get a "Hillary is our white enemy" - ???!!!!

Praise Jesus.

[tekisui]

7. God Damn America!!!

Context must be lost on you.

[Binka]

9. Skip Is Stuck In Duran Duran 80's

Don't wake him up.

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[Binka]

13. The Tubes Have Him Confubulated!

[cliffordu]

27. OMFG Tube confabulation is SERIES!!!11!1!!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

thanks, I needed that.

[Skip Intro]

12. Now that's really over the line. Duran Duran???

Judas Priest? Iron Maiden? Black Sabbath? Yeah.

[cliffordu]

28. Duran DUran?? Fock. I thought people hated ME.....

You have my sympathy.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Skip Intro]

10. Yeah, watched the Hillary surmon? Plenty of context there too. Sell it in Nov, see who buys.

[MadBadger]

14. The Hillary sermon sounded pretty spot on.

[Skip Intro]

19. Baffles my mind that you can say that.

That your blind loyalty to your candidate would prevent you from seeing and hearing what you were actually seeing and hearing.

Btw, Obama disowned this great man of God.

Where does he disagree with you on the good reverend?

[MadBadger]

22. Does Hillary know the struggle of being a black person?

I dont think so.

[Skip Intro]

24. That surmon was not so polite, as you well know. He made Hillary out to be a representative of years

of oppression.

And it's just racist bullshit.

Lap it up if you wish.

[MadBadger]

25. She represents the establishment, which is full of rich white people

[Skip Intro]

29. That was a hate-filled attack and if you can't see it, or refuse to, then I don't know what else to

say.

This man of God was stoking fear and blame and hate within his congregation, and directed it all at Hillary Clinton.

I saw it. I heard it.


Hallmark words won't make it disappear.


And if you agree with it then you are welcome to your opinion.


I want no part of it.


As, evidently, neither does Obama, anymore.

[MadBadger]

32. Watch it again. The sermon was saying that Hillary does not know what its likes to be black

Obama knows what its like to have a cab go right by him, or what its like to be called the N Word. Hillary doesnt know what thats like

[Skip Intro]

42. He equated Hillary with those responsible for countless years of opression.

He then brought it to present day to use Hillary as the current example of white oppression.

You watch it again.

He whipped up a crowd against Hillary while praising Obama. He got that crowd emotionally angry and then pointed them at Hillary. She's evil. She's white.

You see what you want to see. I know what I saw.

[ikojo]

59. Does Hillary know the struggle of being a working class

person in post Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush laissex faire capitalist america?

Heck does she know what it is to be WORKING CLASS and depend upon a paycheck to survive? She grew up the Republican daughter in an upper middle class suburb of Chicago.

Barack Obama may be rich now but inside him is the son of a single working class mom.


I DON'T THINK SO,....


Park Ridge.,...RICH

South Side Chicago...working class

The two rarely meet on a level playing ground.

Only in America would the former Goldwater girl, former board member of Wal-Mart be called a champion of the working class and a former community organizer be called elitist and out of touch.

Is it any wonder why we have had eight years of the dumbest least intellectually curious president in the history of the free world? Oy vey!

[Binka]

64. Best Post In The Thread

Read it here folks! Oy vey INDEED!

[tekisui]

15. Sell what you wish. Obama offers more than your Goddess of War.

Wright's not running. We see through the divide and conquer attempts.

[DesertFlower]

16. i agree. nt

[cliffordu]

30. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

Yep. You're right.

[Forkboy]

20. You make yourself look ridiculous and ignorant.

[Skip Intro]

36. I'll take that into consideration.

[cliffordu]

26. God Damn America

Happy??

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. America is not a Blessed Country. Nor is any other nation specifically Blessed

Even Israel has a covenant relationship with God, not promises of
blessings. Read Isaiah or Job.

On the other hand, Jesus and the prophets repeatedly cursed the
RULERS of Israel, and even went so far as to suggest they were
illegitimate.

Unpatriotic anyone?

That pastor on Tweety said that Obama must discredit "all religious
beliefs that are against the national interests of the US" I guess
that includes traditional Christian teachings about social justice,
governance, and pacifism eh?

[redstate_democrat]

49. Your attempt to mock a man of God

and the Holy word of the bible is blasphemous. I hope you don't burn in hell for eternity.

:hi:

[PerpetuallyDazed]

69. Did you see the interview??

Please, watch it and see for yourself before your start making such ridiculous comments...

[HooptieWagon]

21. He knows math?

[emilyg]

37. Ruling elite?

His mansion was not bought with money?

[Leopolds Ghost]

44. I am not all that impressed by Rev. Wright...then again I'm only offended by some of his statements

The only thing I find remarkable is how unable pink tutu Dems are to
attack and run ads against similar statements by Falwell, Robertson,
Hagee, etc.

Leave McCain's name out of it if you insist on taking the high road.
Merely ask him to "reject and denounce" as Obama was asked McCarthyistically to do.

Oh, I forgot, many racist Americans DO believe NOLA is a "damned" city,
as I learned from spending time in Louisiana.

[MadBadger]

45. What statements were you offended by?

[emilyg]

46. Your first paragraph

I just pm'd a friend with similar thoughts.

[tekisui]

57. You can be wealthy and still help and comfort the oppressed.

Look at John Edwards.

[Beacool]

39. You can keep him as your pastor if you choose,

but most Americans would have left the church. I attend a Lutheran church and we have had pastors of different races and genders, but I have never heard such kind of incendiary comments from ANY pastor, priest or rabbi that remotely compares to the sermons of Rev. Wright. If I had, I would have walked out of the church.

I don't know why YOU go to church, but I go to feel uplifted and not to hear hateful comments, least of all about our nation.

[MadBadger]

41. Have you ever seen the entire sermons?

My guess is you havent. If you havent, watch Bill Moyers and you may see him in a slightly different light. I know I do.

[Beacool]

47. The entire sermons do not excuse the sound bites.

What the hell kind of CHRISTMAS sermon was the one he gave last December that culminated with "Hillary ain't never been called a n...."?????? I would have been equally shocked and upset if it had been a white pastor speaking similarly of Obama. To use one of the two most sacred days for Christianity to heap vile on a parishioner's political opponent is just plain disgusting!!!

[MadBadger]

48. Has she?

Does she know what its like to be a black man or woman in America? That was the point of the sermon, so it sounds pretty true.

[Beacool]

50. He had no business bringing her up in his sermon in the first place.

Separation of church and state........

[MadBadger]

51. Thats a pathetic defense

Wright has a right to free speech. Separation of church and state should matter when the government is doing something, not the chuch. Who the fuck cares if he is expressing an opinion in one of his sermons. WHo the fuck cares.

[Beacool]

53. Well, it seems that plenty of people care

or it still wouldn't be in the media and people would not have brought it up while we canvassed in PA.

:shrug:

[MadBadger]

54. And I'm sure you pasturbated with them.

[ikojo]

61. Bill and Hillary didn't seem to care when Rev Wright visited them

in the White House in the 1990s.

But then again, like NAFTA, she was for him before she was against him.

[Binka]

66. He Was Invited To The White House To Heal Wounds Over Monica

Hillary only stayed with Bill because of her planned run for the Presidency. She should have kicked his ass to the curb, oh but she needed his influence. Shameless narcissists will do and say anything. The Clinton's are a narcissistic CIA fraud. Fuck them.

[tekisui]

55. Context matters.

I don't go to any church for any reason, but what he said, in context was uplifting and inspiring tot his audience.

Who am I to judge why anyone goes to church?

[ikojo]

62. Religion when properly applied should comfort the afflicted and

afflict the comfortable.

[tekisui]

56. I forgot to add this Hillary gem: "National Security Trumps Human Rights"

[Binka]

67. That's What All The Greedy Piggies Squeal

Our military is there to protect their interests so screw human rights. What a can of shit she is. My son got blown to shit in Iraq, why isn't Chelsea serving? Hillary is human garbage.

[Skidmore]

58. I like that Obama is not abandoning Wright when the going gets a little tough.

It speaks well of his character and trustworthiness. It also says that this man will not abandon constituencies or issues when things are tough. I like this about Obama. He has integrity.

[JoFerret]

60. I wouldn't either.

.

[Window]

63. ..

:thumbsup:

[Unbowed]

70. I agree. Sometimes his foot ends up in his mouth but his heart is always in the right place.

Having a heart is probably the deal-breaker for Clinton. There is no room for compassion or honor in the sort of campaign she's run.