When Hillary tells SuperDs that Obama is unelectable due to race, isn't that the Ultimate Elitism?

[JackORoses]

A most Ancient Elitism indeed.

We need to end this memetic plague on the mind of mankind here and now.

We cannot elect a President who sees the world in Blacks and Whites.

Hillary grew up in a time where the Dream of Racial Equality was born,
but unfortunately for her and many like her, she does not believe the Dream can actually come true.
She is burdened by the prejudices of the past. Prejudices which she, like everyone, tries to wash clean, yet her worldview is unfortunately narrowed.

However, for Barack Obama and all those millions that came after him, they were born into a world where the Dream could become a reality.
We who are not bound up by the memes of the pre-1960s.
Our minds can actually accept the possibility of an Integrated World.
And our Children are stepping into a World where the Dream will be a given...

Barack Obama is the fruition of the Dream, within our grasp.
We can make it Real, together.

Not because he is a Black Man, but because he is a Man of the People and of the Times
He will organize our Community to Action
He will defend our Civil Rights
He will enforce the Constitution of the United States

He will be our next President.

"You may say I'm a Dreamer, but I'm not the only One...."

[SunsetDreams]

1. I will add that:

Barack is unique in his ability to bring the races together, because he is Bi-racial.
He is both Black and White. He has the unique ability to see both sides of the equation through his upbringing.
Just like in his speech, he didn't just air the grievances of his Black race, he also aired the grievance of his White race.
He has empathy for both sides without diminishing either one.

[IsItJustMe]

19. He is indeed in a very unique position. Between a rock and a hard place as far as race goes. But

most people just look at him as black, I think this is due, in large part, by the way the media portrays him. Not once have I heard the media refer to him as bi-racial. He is always referred to as an African American. Not exactly sure why this is, but it is what it is none-the-less.

[Seeker30]

2. In your dillusional mind she said this when?

[IsItJustMe]

21. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck; You know what, it's a fricken duck.

[JackORoses]

28. every day for the past month at least

This is their argument to the Supers, the absolute lowest denominator.

[H2O Man]

3. Right.

This is the message that is being communicated to the undecided Super Delegates. It is the product of poisoned minds.

Nominated.

[guruoo]

4. When Obamas say Hillary is a Repug, isn't that the Ultimate Elitism?

[GodlessBiker]

18. No. That's the ultimate insult.

[cliffordu]

30. Doesn't translate. Apples and gangsters.

[guruoo]

56. So the obamas say!

:rofl:

[davidpdx]

5. If they are using this argument,

then it is truly a sad day for our country. I've said this a few times and believe it firmly. I'm not voting based on race or gender, but instead who I think is the better candidate. I've heard some people that support Clinton make accusations of sexism, maybe that's true of some, but not all that are not voting for her. Certainly I think if these things are being used to sway super delegates, it reinforces the level to which she will stoop to.

[dan2002]

7. Hillary is best candidate!

And there are many of us who are voting for Hillary NOT because of race or gender either, but because we truly believe our candidate is the best for the job!

[sushi]

8. Vote for HRC

not only because she is the best one for the job, but also because she is a woman. It's time to give a woman the chance to show what she can do. I keep saying it, women are better than men in many, MANY things! My husband, my father and my brother agree with me!!!!!!!
HRC is acceptable to the right (even Ann Coulter!!!) and of course the left. BHO is TOO left, and McCain is not acceptable to many conservatives.

[GoesTo11]

27. "Women are better than men in many, MANY things!"

What things?

Would you also be comfortable with the statement "Men are better than women in many, MANY things!"

Which women? All women? Condoleeza Rice? Ann Coulter (on whose approval you seem to place some value)?

[Bjorn Against]

36. I don't want a President that is acceptable to Ann Coulter.

[Alexander]

57. More sexist garbage from the Shillbots.

"Vote for me because I'm a woman" is a weak-ass argument, and sexist to boot.

[StevieM]

58. I'm not supporting her because she's a woman. I want Hillary because she is qualified and

Barack isn't. She's also a nice person, while Barack isn't.

Steve

[CatsDogsBabies]

11. Does this mean you wouldn't vote for Obama in the GE?

[Saturday]

6. When did you stop beating your wife? nt

[quickesst]

9. Tragically funny....

is that the msm can report that, in Pennsylvania, Barak Obama won 98% of the black vote, and it's lauded as Obama's ability to "bring out the black vote". If I, or any other individual, who has not drank deep of the kool-aid, makes the same statement, it's called "racist". More Obalogic getting in the way of reality. While Obama supporters laud his ability to "reach" people of all races because of his bi-racial heritage, he has basically hidden his white heritage in a box, only to bring it up when it suits his purpose, ie, his "typically white" grandmother. Same with his supporters, who deny race should play a part in this primary, but cling to it when it's advantageous to slander, or mischaracterize someone else's actions or statements. Race has been Obama, and his supporters greatest weapon in this primary, wielding the race card with abandon and a specific agenda in mind, safe in their knowledge that the msm, and any who fail to bow at the alter, will do whatever is necessary to avoid being labeled as racist. Bottom line? Obama supporters believe one should vote for Obama because he is black, and "it's time", rather than a qualified, experienced candidate, who happens to be black. Obalogic has fully replaced Christologic, as the premier slime machine, but ironically, the targets are exactly the same, as is the reasoning for the lowbrow attacks. Obama fans have, in effect, joined hands with the republicans in attacking and alienating at least half the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, this marriage of convenience will end badly, and the Democrats once again will find themselves on the short end of the stick. Republicans will owe the faithful their gratitude, but don't expect a kiss and a bouquet of flowers. Thanks.
quickesst

[dailykoff]

10. Camp Hillary playing the Dan-Quayle-Murphy-Brown elitism card,

that's rich. Is there a stale Lee Atwater trick she WON'T pull? With respect, Hillary isn't trying to "wash clean" anything. She's a nasty racist elitist puke and has been her whole life.

[Orsino]

12. When did this happen?

I rather doubt it.

[dailykoff]

20. Bittergate.

The dead horse that keeps on giving.

[Orsino]

25. I don't think she said what the OP says she did. n/t

[JackORoses]

29. It is her main premise to the SDs

according to her twisted logic, Obama cannot win White working class votes because he is Black.
Therefore, he must be unelectable.

[Orsino]

33. What has she actually said, or had published in her name? n/t

[dailykoff]

34. Both. Have you been on Mars or what?

Hillary says it, her surrogate say it, the media mockingbirds repeat it constantly. Welcome back to earth!

[Orsino]

35. Says what, exactly? n/t

[dailykoff]

39. Cute game but I'll play it. Two examples, one Hilly, one mockingbird:

1. In the Philly debate Hillary nagged on and on about how "out of touch" Obama is and how she understands the little people because her grandfather worked in a lace mill in Scranton. Barf alert.

2. Yesterday on the NPR afternoon news I heard some mockingbird "language expert" give a five minute spiel on "elitism" that ended with an idiotic Hillary soundbyte.

Get the picture now?

[Orsino]

40. I really didn't ask for the insulting language...

...and your cites aren't what I was asking about, either.

I have, however, just found a post by David Zephyr:
On to Nevada where the Clintons got caught working this line: "Latinos won't vote for a black man". When asked about it, Hillary replied, "It's a fact."

Is this the picture you wanted me to get? The key phrasing, I suspect, isn't offered here, and perhaps only the "it's a fact" is a direct quote.

[dailykoff]

41. It's hard to interpret three-word responses,

but yes, you're getting the picture.

[Orsino]

46. Apparently, it's very easy.

My inquiry is serious. I know that Clinton has said some very stupid things during the campaign. Her threats to nuke millions of foreign brown people notwithstanding, I still found it hard to believe that she would come right out and say what the OP attributed to her, dismissive as it is of millions of domestic brown people who can vote. A lot of the follow-ups in the thread have been flat denials, and while pressing for details I'm so far seeing only dark hints that dance around the OP's interpretation.

I'm trying to separate what Clinton actually says from what Obama supporters hear, and what her campaign says officially from what supporters are muttering off the record. The one-word "Link?" response is frowned upon for some reason, but I'm still interested in an actual citation.

[dailykoff]

48. Look I'm not a therapist.

Go ahead and deny the obvious, but this is something you'll just have to work through yourself.

[formercia]

13. JIm Crow mentality

How many percent White does one have to be before they are no longer considered a Black person?

I don't think of Barak Obama as a Black person, but as an American.


When is this shit going to stop?

[East Liberty Denizen]

14. Hillary Clinton hasn't said that at all

She has said she is the strongest candidate, and she is making a bid to the delegates to get their support at the convention.

I think you're reading things into her campaign to think that she thinks that an African American can't win.

She has only pointed out her case that she is a stronger candidate that the particular African American who is her opponent in the campaign for the nomination.

[Bensthename]

15. Hillary's racism lost her the nomination.

[Solomon]

51. Ouch! Now that is the most succinct, apt expression of the

situation that I have seen. Bottom line.

[dailykoff]

52. The fact is she never had it. She came in 3rd in Iowa

and that was before she rolled out the race card, at least overtly. Obama has always been the popular frontrunner and favorite.

[GoesTo11]

16. If HRC is the nominee, all this will come back to haunt her

Dogwhistling.

Elitism.

Guilt by association.

Gaffes taken out of context and looped endlessly on CNN.

527 swiftboating.

Media piling on.


All this will go against her, and she can't even cry foul. What exactly is her great strategy for the GE?
She knows how to deal with the VRWC, does that mean she's going to throw the kitchen sink at McCain? What can
she throw at him that won't come flying back at her? Just as it would now, if Obama were treating this as a GE,
not a within-the-party primary where you don't do those things?

[formercia]

17. Hillary has nothing to throw at John McCain

They are both peas in the same pod.

[Medusa]

22. Of course it is. She is the Queen of Elitism.

She thinks she's "owed" this nomination because she's Hillary Clinton. She and Bill want to make themselves legendary by both being president. And they don't care who they have to disenfranchize to get there. Queen Hillary believes we should all bow down and worship her. Sorry Hill but this ain't a monarchy and you're not a Queen. And on the whole legendary thing? Yeah, you and Bill are legendary alright but for all the wrong reasons.

[IsItJustMe]

23. Well, you call it elitism, I got another word for it that's not so nice, and in the interest of not

flaming the fire, will not say it.

[smiley_glad_hands]

24. K&R. eom

[DemGa]

26. Never happened

[JackORoses]

31. It's happening right now.

They are making the argument that Obama cannot win White Working Class votes because he is Black.

You only wish it never happened. Then you wouldn't have to face the fact that you are supporting a racist.

It doesn't matter if you have pretended to be for equality your whole life if you immediately fall back into the old patterns of prejudice when the going gets rough. Manipulating the prejudices of others for political gain is just as bad as harboring those prejudices yourself.

[PoliticalAmazon]

32. Worse. It's pandering to SDs fear of bigotry. n/t

[Hansel]

38. Exactly. It is no different than Bush's "terrorism card". It's about fear.

And I'm sick to death of fear. Where is our modern day FDR?

[suston96]

37. Hillary Clinton doesn't have to tell the superdelegates anything.....

The exit polling from all the past primaries will clearly point out where Obama's strengths and weaknesses lie. As will the current and future national and individual state polling.

There will be a black man or a white woman running against the Republican nominee. Race and gender will inevitably be involved.

[JackORoses]

44. Hillary will not be in the General. But save those Exit polls for Nostalgia's sake

[suston96]

50. I am not interested in the exit polls - past, present, and future -

- but those superdelegates are and will be veryinterested in them and all other polls looking at how Obama did or does or will do with all demographics.

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. Lies and more lies. You guys don't even pretend to need truth to hate her

You just make crap up.

She has never said that.

[dailykoff]

45. Did you watch the Philly debate? She actually nagged him about the bitter remark!

It was an astonishingly wretched performance and if she wasn't being propped up by the corruptocracy she would have been dust after Iowa.

[Evergreen Emerald]

47. So, you are suggesting that he is allowed to attack her, but she is not allowed

to take advantage of his stupid remarks? He sent e-mails constantly to the media about Bosnia. That was not an ISSUE that was a load of crap that HE wanted to be on the media 24/7.

Your double standard is amazing.

[dailykoff]

49. You said she didn't say it. She said it. Case closed. (n/t)

[Evergreen Emerald]

54. "Black and white" is not progressive.

There is more there. You choose to ignore it.

[flpoljunkie]

43. Having spokesman McAuliffe say, "It's her turn" the day she announced couldn't be more elitist!

[VotesForWomen]

53. so what is it when O supporters say blacks won't vote for clinton? nt

[Raineyb]

55. That blacks are tired of the Democratic party sniffing around for votes

then turning their backs once the votes are cast.

Regards