Hillary Rodham Clinton as President would be a tragedy for this country.

[CatsDogsBabies]

Just saying...

[chimpymustgo]

1. To what end? Any Democrat will be better than McSame. Did you wander into the wrong website?

[LakeSamish706]

2. "Any Democrat will be better than McSame" And there in lies the problem....

A good many even here on DU are unsure what Hillary is with her antics. She acts more like a Republican than a Democrat I am afraid.

[dailykoff]

4. A repuke in Dem clothing is worse than a repuke.

McCain could conceivably stand up to the MIC, although he shows little inclination to. Hillary can't because they own her and know where the bodies are buried.

[Joe Bacon]

41. Hillary Clinton = Lurleen Wallace

That is the truth. We don't need Slick Willy "calling the shots" as he chases Monica 2, 3, 4, etc...

[chimpymustgo]

7. I'm not unsure at all. Seems for many - opposing their "chosen one" is heresy!

[LakeSamish706]

9. I guess you haven't been paying very close attention to the tactics that...

are being used in her campaign then.... Saying that McCain and Clinton are electable where Obama is not... What kind of a comparison is that to make by a fellow Democrat? Standing by while the Republicans trash Obama.... Nope sorry, I don't see a Democrat in Clinton at all.

[CatsDogsBabies]

24. Even though Obama is the frontrunner

I believe that this "anybody but McCain" is a subtle or not so subtle way of softening people's support for Obama. maybe this is just a perception, but I suspect there is some truth to it. I actually want to support the candidate I believe in, and at this point there is no reason why I should not support Obama wholeheartedly.

In the event that Obama does not win the nomination, it is possible that I will just "tune out" of the process. Criticize me if you want for this. But, I am convinced that this is part of the strategy, that certain candidates will benefit from less involvement of the people in the democratic process. HRC thought she would have this all sown up on super Tuesday, and this would have been true perhaps had fewer people become involved. The same can probably be said for McCain. It wasn't tremendous enthusiasm that gave McCain the nomination.

[jedr]

3. Are you a lurker?

The freeper hang out is around the corner; what kind of statement is that?:wtf:

[LakeSamish706]

5. Hillary Rodam Clinton as President would be a disaster for this country... I agree. n/t

[jedr]

6. So, if Obama doesn't make it you'll vote for McCain?

[LakeSamish706]

12. I never said that, those are your words... If Clinton steals the nomination I will not be...

voting period..

[jedr]

17. which ends up being a vote for McCain. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

21. Whatever, I have no intention of voting for a corrupt Clinton thats for sure. n/t

[CatsDogsBabies]

10. No I am not a lurker,

but I am registered as an Independent. As an Independent, I worked actively for John Kerry. I donated, I made calls, etc. Going into this election season, I was prepared to vote for whatever democratic candidate that was on the ballot in the GE. Now, I don't believe that Hillary Rodham Clinton would be a good choice. In fact, I have been horrified at many of her tactics. I support a democratic candidate, the frontrunner in fact, so I do come here and read and post sometimes.

[merh]

8. I don't think she is the better candidate and I don't like how she

has harmed the party as she campaigns, but I do not agree with your assessment.

[jedr]

14. agreed....I voted for Obama and don't like the smear tactics being;

Used, however Hillary's and Obama's platforms differ little and vilifying your own candidates is not a smart way to do business.

[dailykoff]

15. You need to figure out what's going on.

They are about as identical as JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald.

[jedr]

28. Perhaps you're right;

If the debate in Pa. had been on issues instead of bowling scores, lapel pins and preachers, I would be better informed. ( that's not a put-down on your comment , just a statement of fact)

[dailykoff]

30. Well, let's consider their war policies and social policides:

Clinton would be a disaster for the entire world including our friends in the Middle East, who would find themselves in the middle of a nuclear holocaust. She said as much in the Philadelphia debate.

As far as domestic policies, the example of the Clinton 90s -- welfare reform, NAFTA, WACO, Immigration "Reform" Act of 1996, prison boom, losing Congress, etc -- suggests that it would be disastrous for everybody but the MIC and Clintons' corporate sponsors. Obama has an actual track record of good legislation and would do much better.

[dailykoff]

11. It would be a tragedy for the world.

She'd capitulate to every psychotic weapons outfit with a lobbyist on K street and would turn Iran, Syria, Libya into cinders -- radioactive cinders.

[cali]

13. just sayin' that's stupid.

McCain would be the real tragedy.

[shaniqua6392]

16. She would make a fine President

and so would Obama.

[Freida5]

18. Obama as President would be as competant as Bush

[cali]

22. wow. as stupid as the OP

congratulations for that moronic addition.

[cliffordu]

40. Obama's a Constitutional lawyer.

He is more intelligent and better educated than 99% of the people on this board and anyone in YOUR family.

Hillary was married to the guy who gave you NAFTA.

[WeDidIt]

19. I disagree

She would be a good president, certainly better than McCain.

I just happen to think Obama would be better than Hillary Clinton.

[sellitman]

27. Welcome to DU.

Great name and great 1st post!

.

[Double T]

20. obama's incompetence would accelerate the complete destruction.........

of America if he were elected President. His un-accomplishments say it all.

[cali]

26. oh, for pity's sake, do none of you have two brain cells to rub together?

fucking idiotic. Both Hillary and Obama would be vast improvements over bushco, and both are infinitely superior to McCain. There's no evidence that Obama is rash, let alone stupid. He certainly has impressive accomplishments, as does she. Let's review for those who have lost any semblence of sanity:

Both Hillary and Barack would appoint solid Justices to the SC and good judges on the federal bench.

Both Hillary and Barack will help restore habeas corpus.

Both Hillary and Barack have very similar and fairly sound economic policies that are supported by impressive people with stellar creds.

Both Hillary and Barack would attempt to end the Iraqi war.

Both would close Gitmo.

Both oppose torture.

Both are intelligent, capable people.

McCain would keep the war going. For a long time.

McCain would push wingnut judges and justices.

McCain's economic policies are disasterous.

McCain could very well propel us into another war.


You folks really need to screw your heads on right.

[WeDidIt]

29. People have problems getting past rhetoric

Both campaigns must engage in hyperbolic rhetorical arguments due to how close they are to each other on the issues. The differences are truly minute, thus the only differences become cosmetic and how the campaigns use rhetoric. Personalities and idiosyncracies become over proportional to their true values in choosing a candidate. Thus, strong supporters of either candidate become emotionally attached at a higher level than in most primary contests, especially one that has taken so long.

Either candidate would fine.

Mathematically, Obama should win. Realistically, Hillary Clinton could use arguments in the seating of Michigan and Florida as they currently exist combined with a majority of super delegates to win. We must recognize that to accomplish this is an overwhelming task, however, it is possible and 100% within the rules.

As an Obama supporter all I can say is I will support whichever candidate becomes the nominee regardless of how that candidate becomes the nominee. I do disagree with my preferred candidate on McCain. It is my firm belief that John W. McSame would be WORSE than Bush.

[Double T]

43. YOU need to quit being in denial about BO.

[mtnsnake]

23. You're a tragedy for a couple of reasons

1) Hillary would not be a tragedy just because some paranoid fanatic says so.

2) You didn't back up your idiotic claim with one reason. When you post a thread, you're supposed to have at least the minimal amount of reasoning or a link. Wake up.

[Inspired]

25. Having a Democratic president is no tradegy for our country.

[Taxmyth]

31. I can think of far worse things

President Cheney for one.

[cloudythescribbler]

32. No, a McCAIN presidency would be a disaster, a Hillary presidency at least possibly good ...

even though I strongly think, and have thought since LONG before Iowa, that Obama would be the stronger candidate AND president. After all, let's remember that under Clinton, in 8 years, we had no MAJOR wars (I totally opposed the Kosovo War, but that's another story), unprecedented prosperity with low inflation, and the balancing of a budget totally busted by Repuglican "strategic megadeficits". To not vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is is to invite more of the crap we have now.

I am worried of two possibilities above all: (1) HRC somehow claws the way to the nomination and with so many Democrats disenchanted with having the SD's overrule the voters, McCain gets election and (2) HRC has bled Obama so much in the primaries that he doesn't quite manage to bind up all the wounds inflicted, and McCain gets elected. McCain's chances, in my view, might be enhanced by picking a running mate who would appeal to the evangelical wing of the party (like Huckabee), without driving away the centrist vote. On the other hand, maybe someone could hypnotize him into picking Dan Quayle again. Many suggest Lieberman will be it, but I think that McCain could be taking a big risk w/the RW hardline conservative and/or evangelical base there too.

Many Hillary Clinton supporters are appalled by her behavior, including the NY Times, who I think should withdraw their endorsement of her (I know, sweet dreams).

This is an election that the Democrats have NO EXCUSE for losing, if they do. It is one where one would reasonably expect that ANYONE with the Democratic nomination would seem to have the White House for the asking, which is probably why HRC is doing anything and everything to claw her way to the nomination. My own "cynical" view is she wants to pose a choice: either she is the nominee or she'll so mess up Obama's chances that she would then be in a perfect spot to win the nomination in '12, memories in politics being (remember Nixon?) awfully short.

[rock]

33. Yeah, she might break Bill's record

of peace and prosperity! The shame! The shame! (Do I really have to make this sarcasm?)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. She'd Be A Great President. Only Republican Morons Would Think It Would Be A Tragedy.

But fuck them anyway.

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Not saying much are you?

:eyes: Both Obama and Clinton are full of empty promises. That's the real tragedy. Not wait, the real tragedy was allowing the corprat media to run off the one candidate who would have brought about real change.

[Jawja]

36. Hillary Rodham Clinton will never be President.

If the Democratic Party gives her the nomination, she will lose to John McCain in November because:

1. The Rethugs will be energized to defeat her beyond belief (why do you think the GOP is pushing for her to stay in the race?)

2. The African-American base of the Democratic Party (plus a lot of pissed off white folk) will SIT HOME on election day.

A Hillary Rodham Clinton nomination = a devastated Democratic Party = a McCain victory

If you mean a Hillary Rodham Clinton Presidency somewhere down the road, I can tell you this: I will never support her in my lifetime. Since her main demographic is folks over 55, I doubt she is going to suddenly resonate with the younger folks.

IMHO.

[dailykoff]

39. True, but she's wrecking the country just by running.

And if Obama loses in November we'll know who to blame. :mad:

[bluebellbaby]

37. Too bad you can't see!

just thinking!

[dailykoff]

38. Kick because it happens to be true.

In fact her CANDIDACY is a tragedy -- for the Clintons.

:rofl:

[adoraz]

42. people can call me a repuke, I don't care...

but at this point I would vote for McCain over Hillary.


I'm not a Democrat, I'm Independent though I usually prefer Democrats. This year I definitely will go for the Democrats (Since Obama will win).

[Beacool]

44. The inexperienced Obama would be the tragedy............

Another failed administration similar to Carter's.