Alright, Clinton folks. So why are you continuing to support Clinton?

[Guaranteed]

Here's "the math":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5685626&mesg_id=5685626

She can't win.



So, the question is why. Why doesn't she drop out, and why do you want her to continue? Let's hear it.

[Maddy McCall]

1. Because Barack is not inevitable.

It's that simple.

[Guaranteed]

2. You saw the math, right?

The fact is, he's inevitable.

I linked that post for a reason.

[papau]

35. Also saw that there will be little movement to the left - no health plan - with Obama

Obama campaign is now saying their will be no universal health written by administration introduced to Congress - they will just encourage hearings

Previously the campaign told Kudlow of CNBC that they do not expect to pass any of the social programs promised - they are just campaign talk - and therefore Kudlow need not worry about any deficit increase because of Obama programs.

Likewise Canada was told by Obama campaign that NAFTA termination threat was just campaign talk - as was out of Iraq in 16 months.

Just what is the difference between what we should expect after an Obama win compared to a McCain win?

Only Hillary guarantees change will be fought for - Obama would be fighting for GOP love so as to "change the politics" in Washington.

[Guaranteed]

50. Well, I don't know what to say to that.

Maybe Obama will have to change his approach after he wins. But those are some insightful thoughts from you.

[merh]

59. Have you ever considered that it is congress' place to write the laws

and the executive branch that is to enforce the laws. Encouraging congress to act is action and it is also recognizing the limitations of the office, something bush has failed to do.

The executive branch is not all powerful, not under our constitution.

What changes has hillary been responsible for that we know she is good on that guarantee?

She was on the board at walmart, she had a place of power and did nothing for the female employees there and she did nothing for labor. What makes you think she will make a difference now?

Her votes in congress are almost identical to obama's so don't tell me about the legislation she supported. What major bill has she ever written and fought for, seen through to the end?

As the chair of the subcommittee tasked with investigating toxic substances and the environment and health concerns, what has she done?

Tell me what in her actual record has she accomplished that tells me she will do what she says she will do.

[MADem]

61. Yeah, "math" copied and pasted off of partisan blogs.

That's not math, that's wishing, and hoping, and bullshitting with figures.

Love the way people can do "math" when people haven't even VOTED yet.

The only thing that's inevitable is that this contest will go on.

[Guaranteed]

78. The contest will go on!

[AX10]

4. Not a chance I could support Obama in "good faith".

Also, as you said, Obama is no inevitable.

[Hawkeye-X]

6. So you will not support Obama as a nominee? Then who will you support?

McCain? Nader? Sit at home?

Hawkeye-X

[melody]

20. So you're voting for McCain? n/t

[emilyg]

3. I want all the states to have a voice.

[Guaranteed]

5. But what if dragging this out hurts our nominee so badly that we

lose the White House?

[emilyg]

9. If he/she is not strong we'd better know it before November.

[Guaranteed]

14. It sounds like you're saying that if Clinton can drag Obama down with her,

then Obama shouldn't be our nominee. Which is odd.

Still more odd- your presumed thought that, in such a case, Clinton should be our nominee. Yes?

[dkf]

10. They don't care...they're planning for Hillary 2012.

[CatsDogsBabies]

16. I doubt that Hillary has any chance in 2012

given that she is losing the primary now - how in the world could she win in 2012?

[dkf]

26. They think she's going to win now...they're not exactly reality based.

[usrbs]

99. You know, that's pretty insulting as well as being pretty non-reality-based.

Sometimes I wonder why so many Obama supporters go out of their way to denigrate HRC supporters. If you're so concerned about the GE, you might want to consider not totally alienating 50% of your base. And don't tell me that nobody cares what's said on the Internet boards. I care, because I'm an activist, and I assume many of you are, and the way it's going, the last thing I'll feel like if HRC loses (as is likely, I admit), is lifting a finger and joining with the likes of you to get BO elected. And yes, of course he'll get my vote, but not anything else.

[emilyg]

28. I had an interesting conversation with

my ex today. He's a staunch republican who for the very first time is considering voting dem. He disagrees with McC on many issues. He feels the field of 3 leaves a lot to be desired. In his opinion Clinton comes the closest to being a strong, take charge leader.

[sushi]

38. I agree

with your ex! Of the three imperfect candidates, Clinton is the best!
I took a test where I stand on politics. I'm a Libertarian. I read that Republicans (didn't say what percentage) who feel they can't vote for McCain, prefer Hillary.

[annie1]

63. in what way does it hurt him? if he's so great, and can bridge so many divides...

and change washington, and heal the world, than why does her saying saying she's more ready, and thinks she will do a better job maim him so badly that he cannot win? if all it takes for him not being able to win is her running against him, then he is not worth his weight. Many obama supporters seem to think if she does not put him on a pedestal and keep him there that he cannot win, that is just so damn silly. Calm down.

[DJ13]

7. She would still be on the ballot even after pulling out

In last weeks Pennsylvania GOP primary Huckabee won 16% of the vote, a month+ after quitting.

No one is saying her name wont be on the ballots.

[Guaranteed]

11. And that is true as well. People can still vote for her.

The primaries will happen no matter what.

[ClassWarrior]

8. Then why don't you denounce the 200 SDs who rushed to Hill before...

...a single vote was cast?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5693141&mesg_id=5693141

NGU.

[sandnsea]

13. So the superdelegates can nullify that voice?

Makes no sense. All the stats have to have a voice - but the only way she can win is with superdelegates.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Snap.

NGU.

[armodem08]

21. But...

Once all the states vote, then what will you do?

Hillary says she'll fight on despite being behind in the popular vote and delegates. That's disrespecting the voice of the states that already voted. She can't have it both ways.

[ClassWarrior]

30. Double snap.

NGU.

[Armstead]

24. That's a different issue than supporting Clinton

It's a safe bet that if Hillary had a commanding lead right now, she wouldn't give a rats pattottie about giving all of the states a voice.

In fact, by trying to steal pledged delegates, she is actually trying to deny the votes of many peope in states that have already had primaries.

[ClassWarrior]

37. Snap trifecta.

NGU.

[Aloha Spirit]

31. Obamafan here, and I agree with emilyg. I just wish Hillary were acting more like a Democrat.

[newmajority]

36. Did you want "all the states to have a voice" when Team Hillary

assumed they would have the coronation by Feb 5?

[emilyg]

100. Absolutely. Fair is fair.

[bigtree]

12. because Obama hasn't won the nomination yet. We don't elect our nominee by posts on a message board

[emilyg]

15. Amen.

Let it play out - like it's supposed to.

[Guaranteed]

No, we elect our nominee with delegates.

Which, as has been shown hundreds of times now, can not happen for Clinton.

[MADem]

25. WHAT???? How can that BEEEEE???? Ewwww....I'll alert the MEEEEDIA!!!!

:rofl:

Well SAID!!!

[BootinUp]

33. lol nt

[NJSecularist]

17. The math is that Obama has not met the 2024 pledged delegate threshold yet.

Thus, he is not the nominee. And he won't be able to meet the 2024 pledged delegate threshold either.

[Aloha Spirit]

66. 2024 is not the pledged delegate threshhold. It is half of all delegates +1. Now, the sad thing for

Hillary's campaign is that Obama is really close to the pledged delegate threshhold. He only needs 127 more delegates to have more than half of all pledged delegates. Once he does that (probably in Oregon), superdelegates will call the election.

[NJSecularist]

76. Where in the DNC nomination rules does it say anything about

winning the nomination if you have half the pledged delegates +1?

Here's a clue: It doesn't. It's a myth being perpetuated by Obama supporters with no basis in fact.

[Aloha Spirit]

82. There's no rule, but the superdel's can do whatever they want, and that's what they're gonna do.

[NJSecularist]

84. Are you a superdelegate?

If not, then you can not speak for what they will do.

They are not bound by any rules to do what you propose.

[Aloha Spirit]

87. You're right, they're not bound to do anything. I'm just sayin', that's what the sd's are sayin.

[Aloha Spirit]

96. Just wanted, to add, I appreciate your comments even though I probably sound like a jerk....

sorry if I come off as contentious, I get a little too worked up about this stuff.

[MADem]

19. Another whining "she can't win" post. On to INDIANA! May the best candidate win!

If "she can't win" why aren't you out playing golf, or at the bar buying victory champagne? Why post frantically, asking Clinton supporters to "justify" themselves? Why not rest on your laurels, instead of trying to goad people with false, negative and confrontational statements?

:rofl:

Clinton supporters are motivated, enthused, upbeat and POSITIVE. As is our candidate. And that's why Clinton is going to win!



Oh, yes, she most certainly CAN!!!

[Guaranteed]

22. For the last time:

BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO DESTROY OUR NOMINEE AND OUR CHANCES IN THE GE.

[MADem]

34. Oh boy, another gloom and doom NEGATIVE post from the HOPE team!

:rofl:

And in all CAPS, too!

You might want to stow that "OUR" crap, Skippy. At least half the party doesn't agree with you.

Your "nominee" (that would be candidate, correctly) needs to earn it. If he can win it, he can have it--and the support of the entire party along with it.

But we aren't going to give it to him because you pout on a message board. Even in all CAPS!

You insult your candidate by demanding a "pity" nomination, too. You sure you actually support him? Your constant, hectoring "Quit Now! Waaaaah!!!" posts make his entire campaign appear weak and frightened.

On to INDIANA! May the best 'candidate' win!

[Guaranteed]

39. It's over. He's our nominee.

Nothing will change that.

You- you and Rush, I should say- are just trying to make sure he loses in the GE.

[MADem]

44. No, it is NOT "over." Repitition, no matter how frantic, doesn't equal truth.

This isn't a fantasy film,



it's real life and real live politics.

May the best candidate win.

[Guaranteed]

47. ....

[MADem]

65. Yeah...the one still standing is Clinton.

One piece at a time...

[Guaranteed]

71. LOL yes. With his insurmountable lead in pledged delegates, Obama

really should throw in the towel. He's delusional.

[MADem]

98. Uh, who said Obama should "throw in the towel?"

Binary thinking is, er, DUMB. You know, that whole ASS-U-ME thing? You shouldn't do that.

There are primaries to contest. Let the two candidates compete.

Only people who are afraid that their candidate cannot compete want to push the other candidate off the stage.

Fight on, Obama. I don't want you to "really throw in the towel." I am not WHINING for Obama to leave the contest at all.

I am predicting Clinton will beat him, but if that doesn't happen, I'll support the nominee.

[Guaranteed]

102. "The one still standing is Clinton."

As in, Obama is not.


And your prediction will be wrong. Do you think there is a greater than 50% chance Clinton will win?

[MADem]

103. Uh....what did I say about BINARY thinking just upthread?

Further conversation is pointless. But yes, I DO think that there is a slightly greater chance that Clinton will win. She has stamina. And stamina counts.

And Reverend "all about ME" Wright is sure doing everything he can to screw his protege, so that ups the odds, too.

[DontTreadOnMe]

41. Are you sure?

re: "At least half the party doesn't agree with you."

Is this Clinton Math? By most calculations, there is a larger amount of the party that does not favor Hillary.

Is Hillary in FIRST place or SECOND place?

Next question... should the candidate in FIRST place drop out, or the candidate in SECOND place?

[MADem]

57. Yes, I'm sure. And you won't have any HOPE to CHANGE my mind so that I BELIEVE what you're

shovelling, either!

I don't think you understand me at all.

I'm not the one telling ANYONE to drop out. I'm not AFRAID, see? I want Obama and Clinton to compete across this entire nation. Talk about a DEMOCRATIC election--that's the best possible one ever, where EVERY vote counts!

If Obama wins this, I'll vote for him as the nominee, capisce? But he isn't going to get a pat on the head and a "Awww, poor widdle Barack, everyone's being mean to him, hand him that lollipop, the one with the NOMINATION wrapper..." from me or anyone else on the Clinton team. If he wants it, he needs to EARN it.

You really would do better if you tried, for a change, supporting your candidate instead of participating in these hapless and pathetic Tear Down efforts.

I am honest when I tell you that every time a HOPE AND CHANGER (how ironic) tries to play an old school "crap on the opponent" effort to try to demotivate the opposition, it is having the opposite effect.

I feel a small joy in my heart and a real sense of hope for Clinton's prospects every time I see one of these whining posts, because it tells me that way down deep at the grassroots level, at the lowest levels of the organization, the "faithful" are shitting bricks.

Otherwise, they'd be touting, not pouting.

[usrbs]

97. Your premise is ridiculous unless you think that Obama can't stand real opposition.

If Obama's chances in the GE are diminishing, that's his fault. Or do you think that saying that Clinton is divisive, African-Americans won't vote for her, she'll do anything to win would help her in the GE. So don't cry to me about Obama's chances going down.

I would have preferred a different choice, but as it stands now, Clinton is the one who I'd think be the better president and while she has a chance, I'm supporting her.

[DontTreadOnMe]

27. Grand Delusions

re:"Clinton supporters are motivated, enthused, upbeat and POSITIVE. As is our candidate. And that's why Clinton is going to win!"

It's the fourth quarter and the two minute whistle has been blown... how many touchdowns does Hillary need to win?

[Guaranteed]

29. Like five. nt

[MADem]

40. Two minute whistle, eh? There are quite a few states that disagree with you, there.

If your candidate has it in the bag, stop with the fearful posts...go on out and celebrate your "win."

[DontTreadOnMe]

45. Fearful?

We are calling as we see it... Hillary is hurting the party!
There is no fear in trying to keep the party together.

There comes a times when you have to face the reality of second place.

[MADem]

53. Well, then, if that's how "you see it" you really need glasses!

:rofl:

You think people are stupid? You're doing a classic, though poorly executed, demotivation strategy. Only thing is, Clinton supporters are used to having shit flung at them by people who aren't very skilled at debate and who are as transparent as a freshly washed window on a summer's day.

It's why still...she rises.

Also, there are either too many of you doing it, or you're trotting out too many sock puppets. A few posts along those lines are an opinion. A blanket of them, all sounding like they were either written by the same person or cut-n-paste copied off the group emailed "talking points memo" makes it look like a closed loop effort by a small number of people trying to look bigger than they actually are.

See, it loses its effect when there are thirty posts a day, all "too" similar, each one more and more frantic, using everything from the multiple exclamation points (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) to the ALLCAPS YES SHE MUST QUIT NOW I TELL YOU NOW NOW NOW WAAAAAAAAAH!!!

You know that "Never let them see you sweat" commercial? I hate to tell you, your flopsweat is showing.

It's so unsubtle that it's laughable. And because it's laughable, it's EMPOWERING.

So you see, the more you cry, the more you post like this, the more snarky you get to the Clinton team, in complete contravention to your HOPE AND CHANGE candidate's stated goals, the more you embolden and motivate the opposition. Thank you for that.

So you keep it up, now! Every time I see one of your WAAAAH, QUIT posts, you're telling me how afraid you are, how concerned you are, how desperately you see your candidate's advantage slipping... because she's breathing down your candidate's neck and about to run his ass over!

INDIANA for CLINTON!

[kenny blankenship]

89. 8 touchdowns - and by 75 yard dashes

Most of the team is injured and the bench is empty " BUT SHE CAN STILL WIN !!! "
yells the cheering section. The ones who haven't passed out or headed for the parking lot. Yes, she can.

Yes she can. Yes she can win if you consider having the scoreboard operator erasing Obama's victory margin on her behalf as "winning". It will mean the Democrats have played their last season--but who cares as long as Hillary gets what her marriage entitles her to?

And now you know why I hate sports metaphors.

[CatsDogsBabies]

23. Why doesn't anyone write why they continue to support her?

[hfojvt]

51. I think if you support a candidate you don't change based on the score

it's like supporting a sports team. Even if your team is down by six runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, you continue to support them. In fact, I remember my most humiliating moment. I was the second out in my church softball teams last inning and we were eight runs down. Nobody was on base. Then my team started hitting and hitting and hitting and tied the game with a runner on second and a runner on third and who comes up to bat again? Me. And instead of winning the game, I provided the 3rd out.


It gets worse though. Because for some reason, I was playing catcher. As a runner was rounding third in the extra inning and heading for home, our left fielder made a monster throw towards home. Hit me right in the glove.
And dropped out.

Yes, I single-handedly negated an 8 run comeback. Charlie Brown could not have done it any better. I do remember though that earlier in the game I had hit a single and then the person batting after me hit into a double play. That part, at least, was not my fault, but I have not played church league softball since.

[RaleighNCDUer]

91. The difference is, in your game either team retained the chance

of winning.

This is not a game, and Hillary has no chance of winning legitimately. It's time to throw in the towel and get behind the nominee.

[MADem]

54. Because some truths are self-evident. She's the best candidate and we like her positions.

Get over it.

[KatieBloom]

67. Who is the "we" that you are speaking for...

Are you speaking for all Clinton supporters in general, a specific group or yourself?

[MADem]

68. I speak for Clinton supporters who like her positions. That's pretty obvious .. nt

[KatieBloom]

77. Excuse me for asking...

It wasn't obvious to me specifically who "we" referred to.

Sorry

[annie1]

32. Several reasons. And who else in there left to support. Obama does not speak to me...

i don't have faith in him as a politician, or even as a uniter, (even though i'm really not hell bent on that as a platform in the first place), and i'm not looking for a change in washington. i like sen. clinton's policy wonki-ness, that's why i loved gore and b. clinton. that's why i liked biden. I also liked Dodd and Gravel. But Obama does nothing for me. i like hearing clinton talk about a woman's right to choose at her town meetings as deeply rooted in privacy, citing the former soviet union sending government agents to follow women around making sure they bore children. etc, etc, etc, etc. ANd i like her take on children in the foster care system, etc. I've watched Obama in debates, and town hall meetings and his speeches and commercials. i was certainly open to him since the beginning. Early on when he made personal attacks on hillary's marriage i was uneasy about that, but was still open to him. and yet he has still not garnered any interest from me. I will support who i believe in, and who i would like to be my president. i believe that she can still win the popular vote. i do not appreciate the favoritism by the media for barack, i do not want him shoved down my throat by pelosi and dean, and least of all Kerry. I cannot get behind him because he has nothing to do with me. A little too lofty and vague for me. Hillary has her number of flaws, but I choose HER, and will not have a nominee forced on me when 9 states have yet to vote.

[Liberal Gramma]

42. Finally--a reasoned response

I appreciate your positive response saying why you support Clinton. I respect you for making a choice based on the positives of your candidate and not the negatives of another.

[Guaranteed]

48. I agree. nt

[Aloha Spirit]

69. amen.

[newmajority]

43. ".....i believe that she can still win the popular vote"

Even if that's true, it doesn't matter. The nominee has the most delegates. And if your "popular vote" includes the two states disqualified by DLC shenanigans, then your estimation would not even be an accurate one.

[DontTreadOnMe]

49. Clinton Supporters dragging the party down...

They are dividing the Democratic Party. It is unforgivable.
It will hurt Hillary's future political career.

There is too much at stake for the country's future to let a Clinton get in the way.

[maddiejoan]

60. There's too much at stake

not to get a Clinton back the fuck in the WH

[newmajority]

73. The Clintons are a huge part of the problem

Their policies fucked the American people as bad as those of the Bush Crime Family did.

[maddiejoan]

79. ...

:rofl:

[BootinUp]

95. Yes. Have to agree. nt

[annie1]

58. 'the populate vote doesn't matter'. That is shameful. Another Obama supporter...

who doesn't believe in democracy. i have met several irl obama supporters that respect the popular vote. But i cannot get down with people who do not believe in it. if obama wins the pop. vote i am down with the superdels choosing him, but to outright say the pop. vote doesn't matter makes no sense. you do your candidate a disservice by saying that.

[newmajority]

70. Do you understand how this process works?

Despite the frontloaded coronation of 2004, and the attempt to do so this year with Hillary, the fact remains that a nominee is not officially chosen until the convention. You don't just walk into a convention off the street, you have to be a delegate.

Popular vote is what determines the delegates. Everyone has the same opportunity to go to their primary or caucus and vote for their chosen candidate. Then delegates are selected, proportional to those numbers and whatever the rules are in that state. After that, popular vote IS NOT A FACTOR in the process. And we aren't about to change that to give Hillary an unfair advantage.

[Adelante]

83. Primary rules are what they are

Not only the popular vote doesn't matter, it doesn't exist in relation to primaries. There is no uniform process from state to state that could result in an accurate representation of a popular vote. The end goal of any primary is *delegates*; that's just how it is. Any voting that takes place does not elect a candidate, but delegates for a candidate. You're trying to apply something the party rules don't provide for. If states knew in advance of the primaries that they should design their system to result in a popular vote, they could have. But they followed the rules for electing delegates. And that's what counts.

This can be changed, worked on, reformed, in off years, but you don't change party rules in the middle of an election.

[Guaranteed]

85. How many different ways are we supposed to change or ignore party rules so

the Clintons can get what they want?

[Adelante]

88. I feel your pain

Believe me.

[MADem]

94. See, that's not true EITHER. The nominee has 2024 delegates.

Not "the most." If neither candidate reaches that threshhold, "something else" happens. That "something else" can include a host of factors, to include delegate count, popular vote count, that elusive "electability" factor, you name it.

"Nearsies" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[sushi]

46. Great post!!!

Hillary supporters will not be intimidated!

[kenny blankenship]

72. So your goal is to get Obama "to speak to you" and your concerns?

And you hope to achieve this by aiding someone who's trying to prevent his election in the General?

Just trying to get you to spell this out clearly.

[blm]

75. Closed government v Open Government.

This battle matters to those of us who care about YOUR freedoms and YOUR right to open government even if it's not a priority for you.

[AZBlue]

52. Well, some here are paid to do so.

[maddiejoan]

64. Obama was gonna pay me even more

but I told Axelrod I wasn't interested.

[emilyg]

101. Still waiting on my check.

[Arkansas Granny]

55. I continue to support Senator Clinton because she continues to run.

I believe that she has the best platform and she speaks to the issues that I feel to be important. I have long admired her intelligence, strength and hard work. I also believe that she has the best chance of defeating McCain in November. I don't buy the argument that she is weakening the party. I have never seen so much excitement or involvement in the Democratic primaries as I have this year. The contest between Clinton and Obama has been responsible for record turnouts at the polls and many new voter registrations. I don't see how that can be detrimental for the party.

[Aloha Spirit]

56. Obamafan here, I agree in general, but using the terrorism references, the push polling in NC,

siding with McCain.. that stuff really bothers me.

[Bensthename]

74. I agree with both of you.. Bad for our future nominee., Good getting hundreds of thousands of new

dem voters...

[zabet]

62. ......

:spray:

I do not owe you, nor anyone else on this forum an explanation for my support of Clinton.

Get over yourself. :rofl:

[AspenRose]

81. Why bother responding to the thread then?

That doesn't make any sense.

Edited to add: And before you decide to get rude with me, too, I'm here because I want to hear what some folks have to say and keep an open mind.

[zabet]

86. You need not worry about me getting rude...

I laugh because this is the umpteenth thread asking Hillary supporters this question. If any answer, they are attacked, maybe not by you but, by the more obnoxious and hateful Obama supporters. Why would I set myself up for a pile-on? Why would anyone unless they relish the flame wars? This late in the primary race, not many are going to change their mind so I see threads like these as an exercise in futility.

I bothered to respond because it was a laughable proposition in my eyes. The OP asked a question directed at Hillary supporters, and that includes me. You may not like nor agree with my response but, there you have it, and you asked for it.

[AspenRose]

90. I think it's a legitimate question

There are some like me who are looking at this race on the sidelines and are disturbed by watching a democratic candidate actively court the republican establishment, seeking assistance in promoting them over the other democratic candidate.

I do not understand why or how democratic supporters of said candidate can continue to support that. Perhaps the question continues to be asked because we are always learning something new about the campaign, and as more information comes out, it's certain to affect SOME people's opinions.

I would like to think that people not only vote on issues (which aren't subject to change), but are also observing how their candidates are running their campaigns, which speaks volumes about how they would run government.

This may be why you are seeing allegiances change so late in the primary. It may not matter to you, but it matters to some folks, still.

[zabet]

93. I voted for Hillary simply because...

(and I will not argue my point of view - if you want it - accept it)

she is more qualified, more experienced, has a better plan on just about every issue (granted the differences are small, but they are still different). As far as how Hillary has run her campaign, I have no problem with it, it is politics. Both sides can point out what they deem as injustices and rant until the cows come home...it makes little difference HERE...on DU. People here seem to think that DU represents the DNC and Democrats as a whole, they are sadly sadly mistaken. Only 22-27% of Americans get ANY of their political news off of the web and many of those are not active voters nor politically active in any way. So in effect, this has become a small echo chamber of Obama support in this little corner of the internets. Number of registrations aside, this site only sees an average of 4500 users on any given month. There has been a few hundred upswing in that number since the primaries and like always, it will fall back to the norm after the nominee is decided.

And last of all, HERE, I seriously doubt you will see changing allegiances unless they were a poser to start with.

[Moochy]

80. Because Obama Scares Me

:scared:






:sarcasm:

[DemExpat]

92. Because this contest has not been played out to the end yet,

and I still support her candidacy/ideas/strengths as the best for this election - despite her shortcomings and faults.

Her work and fighting spirit and clear policy plans appeal to me much more than Obama and his rather empty rhetoric and great oratory skills.

In all sports and politics there is the unexpected element that is always possible until that final outcome call comes down. That's what makes them so damned exciting!

May the best candidate win! And I believe the fight is good/strengthening for our political party, not a negative.

:kick:

DemEx