Obama crumbles before Faux News--& embraces Repug issues:

[rodeodance]

Here is the rough and tough bluster before the interview:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/senior_obama_adviser_obama_wil.php

"Obama's decision to go on Fox News has prompted a lot of discussion about the Illinois Senator's relationship with Rupert Murdoch and whether Obama is trying to "court" the media mogul in advance of the general election.

It's also been met with some dismay in the blogosphere, where folks had worked hard to push Dems to boycott Fox as a way of snuffing out whatever is left of the network's credibility.

But how do Obama and his advisers view this? What do they have to say about it?

The senior Obama adviser insists that Obama is under no illusions about Fox and what it represents, and that this isn't about courtship at all, and vows a confrontational approach on Sunday.

Here is what the adviser IM-ed me about this today:

We are clear-eyed about Fox’'s role in the dissemination and amplification of Republican talking points this election. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama. He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on, not because we have any illusion about their motives or politics in this election.
The Obama adviser declined to detail how he'd be taking on Fox. But if Obama does this, it could end up playing to his advantage. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out".

What actually happened:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/26/obama-no-more-debates-before-next-primary/

"Wallace said that if Obama had won Pennsylvania he may not have accepted the FOX News Sunday invitation. But he said that once Obama met him for the interview, the Illinois senator was “friendly” and discussed several moderate-to-Republican viewpoints, making an apparent effort to broaden his appeal.

“He made it very clear he was not some left … liberal and he had been mischaracterized as such,” Wallace said. “I think this was an effort to sort of restore or regain the brand that he had some months ago, when he was saying there wasn’t a Republican solution, or a Democratic solution. It was a new politics and it needed to be a coalition.”

Not only did he cave..but he embraced Rethug issues..

[Joe the Revelator]

1. This really isn't a road you want to go down....

Really.

[rodeodance]

12. I am so scared of peeping tom's

[Name removed]

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[MadBadger]

27. You're a peeping tom too?

[mtnsnake]

39. You would know. You were the one who kept trying to sneak in just to peep.

I hope your neighbors keep their shades down at night.

[groovytang]

69. KICK

Obama caves again.

[rodeodance]

74. and it admitted....

to being a cockroach yesterday

[Joe the Revelator]

109. I really hate to see you lower yourself like this.

[ScarletSniper]

50. lmao

[Mezzo]

65. yes it is

[JoFerret]

137. Why's that Wolsh?

.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

2. The only thing that is crumbling around here is your spelling.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Your candidate is in bed with Scaife

and she runs Osama ads.

[rodeodance]

9. Your candidate is in bed with Chris Wallace

[ProSense]

13. You're comparing Scaife to Chris Wallace? Lunacy! n/t

[scheming daemons]

116. LOL.... you're comparing Scaife (Satan himself) with a relatively harmless reporter like Wallace?

Wow.

[blm]

4. Obama embraced flag-burning amendments and wants to obliterate Iran? Are you sure?

Can you show us the transcript where he says that?

[mtnsnake]

48. Another lie by you. Hillary never embraced any flag burning AMENDMENT, just legislation

nor did she ever want to obliterate Iran. She was asked a hypothetical and responded like any other politician would who is out to protect the USA and its allies.

Why do you stretch the truth like that, blm?

[jefferson_dem]

78. To be a supporter, does that mean you also have to parse stuff in such a slimy Clintonian manner?

:shrug:

[mtnsnake]

88. Parse? It's called telling the truth, period.

[rodeodance]

101. I do not abide by the slimy Obama manner of parsing.

[Telly Savalas]

131. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[blm]

133. heheheh.....why do you stretch this failed campaign? A campaign that SANE PEOPLE know FAILED on

Super Tuesday.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Rodeodance you get worse (what will you do when Hillary bows out?)

[mtnsnake]

49. What, only Hillary is allowed criticism? I don't think so. Rodeodance just gave you a dose of truth

...the cold hard truth, that is.

[rodeodance]

112. When Obama bows out--you will need to be de-programmed from sheepie mode lifestyle.

[blue neen]

6. Saying you arrived in Bosnia under sniper fire is a whole lot more embarrasing

and a bold-faced lie.

[cliffordu]

108. And THEN to blithely dismiss the lie as a "misspeak" without

REALLY admitting she lied is pretty telling, if you want to judge character....

[ProSense]

7. But Hillary's camp believes Fox Noise is the best news source, ask Terry McAwful and Ed Rendell. n/t

[Saturday]

17. Seems your candidate is coming around to that way of thinking too. LOL nt

[BalancedGoat]

8. So...

... to you "discussed several moderate-to-Republican viewpoints," = "embraced Rethug issues"?

I'd call that a stretch.

[guyanakoolaid]

21. Exactly.

As if news reading "Obama discusses gun locks" equals "Obama is in bed with the NRA!"

[LWolf]

10. Obama agrees with me.

I've been saying that he is not a liberal, that his supporters had mischaracterized him as such, and that he was friendlier to republicans and republican agendas than to liberals all along.

Not that it matters.

[patrice]

11. Guess what! WE KNOW OBAMA ISN'T A "LEFTIE"!!!! nt

[Straight Shooter]

22. Guess what! THEY DON'T KNOW!!

Obama will scoot to the right, just a bit at a time, giving his supporters ample opportunity to explain and defend his *W.O.R.M. manuevers until one day, lo and behold, the real Obama will stand before them.

Maybe it will be the day as POTUS when he nominates a conservative to the Supreme Court so he can keep playing "Mr. Nice Guy" for the Republicans.


*What Obama Really Meant

[patrice]

30. Definition of elitist: Someone who knows what "they" know better than they do. nt

[Straight Shooter]

37. That's the oddest definition of "elitist" I've ever read.

:freak:

[patrice]

43. You don't think it is elitist to claim you know better what others think than they do?

Perhaps you think it is odd because you've confused the pronoun references.

"Someone who knows what "they" know better than they do."

They is a plural pronoun and cannot, therefore, refer back to Someone, which is singular and would need to be refered back to by one of the singular pronouns, either he or she.

Be that as it may, the post it was in reply to was a statement about what "THEY DON'T KNOW".

[Straight Shooter]

115. The OP was about Obama on Fox. I think Fox knows he isn't a leftie.

No doubt Obama knows that Fox knows, and the game goes on anyway.

But since you defined elitist as you did, your definition seemed more to apply to someone who is patronizing, perhaps, but not elitist. I think of elitists as people who consider themselves superior because of their lifestyle choices, not because they think they possess more insight into what a person thinks than the person themselves. Or maybe that's being paternalistic rather than patronizing.

[patrice]

117. They're not mutually exclusive terms. nt

[Straight Shooter]

120. Okay, I checked the Cambridge Dictionary

Definition
elite
the richest, most powerful, best educated or most highly trained group in a society:

elite
adjective
Elite (= A group of excellent) troops were airlifted to the trouble zone.

elitism
noun
when things are organized for the benefit of a few people with special interests or abilities:

elitist
adjective
based on elitism:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=25209&dict=CALD

That's what I think of as being elitist. Perhaps the term has lost the intent of its original meaning since it's been thrown around so much in the last few years.

[patrice]

123. Much to this grammar-conservative's dismay, usage (eventually) trumps historic convention. nt

[Straight Shooter]

126. I am 100 percent in concert with your sentiments.

:hi:

[patrice]

127. Thanks! I needed that!

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

14. He sounds consistent to me!

"wasn’t a Republican solution, or a Democratic solution. It was a new politics and it needed to be a coalition.”

But since he's both almost a Republican to a Black Marxist Radical, guess that like his mixed culture, he can't be fitted into a box.

Oh, and speaking of boxes:

[whatchamacallit]

20. LOVE that cartoon!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[panAmerican]

38. ROFLMAO, where the heck did you get this cartoon?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. its "he can't close the lid, it keeps popping up"

would be the perfect caption for that cartoon.

[bigbrother05]

16. How do you come up with your titles

bizarro world

[TahitiNut]

28. It's just "home on deranged."

Mindless zealots.

[Saturday]

18. Isn't it funny how when Hillary goes on Fox it's terrible...

and when Obama goes on Fox it's the right thing to do. That's why we call him St. Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

26. St. BarryHO dividing the dem party one state at a time

[NanceGreggs]

60. Nah!

Dividing the party is Blondie's job. And it seems to be the one job she's really good at.

[JoFerret]

136. No need to use Barry

I always think it best to refer to candidates by their preferred names.
Even that absurdity John McCain.

[totodeinhere]

79. You got it. Clinton has been on Fox News several times,

and that seemed to be OK with most of her supporters at DU. In fact some of Clinton's surrogates have actually been praising Fox News. But then Obama decides to go on Fox and these same people who were giving Clinton a pass go apoplectic over it. What hypocrisy.

[rodeodance]

83. but is was/is the self-rightous BHO fans who villified for doing what Barry is doing!!

[totodeinhere]

87. And it was the Clinton fans who defended her for going on Fox.

Such things are a two way street but you only seem to able to see in one direction.

[groovytang]

90. OBAMA sees only a one way street, he is a VERY offensive young man to the little lady

[rodeodance]

93. you all villifed her. that was the problem. Now your man is doing the same. Hypocrits.

[druidity33]

104. isn't Barry

what Rush fans call him?

:eyes:

[americanstranger]

138. I'll make you a deal.

You call Obama 'Barry.' I'll call Hillary 'Bill's wife.'

Fair?

- as

[annie1]

95. Obama the Sacred Cow strikes again

[Seabiscuit]

19. Did Obama dance with Reagan's corpse on the show?

For days the Obama camp has put it out there that he was going to be tough and not take any Repub. distortions on issues and now you are saying that he actually kissed their asses and agreed with them? Ah Marone!

[Seabiscuit]

119. Let me guess: they danced the "FOX-trot"?

:rofl:

[RBInMaine]

23. Sounds like more Team-SLICKHilly SPIN SPIN SPIN.

[jasmine621]

25. Of course, every screw up that Obama makes is Hillary's fault. nt

[scheming daemons]

118. Speaking with Wallace is not a "screw up"..unless "screw up" is now defined as "deft political move"

[rodeodance]

80. Slicky Barry is Slicker

[GoldieAZ49]

24. It is his base

he doesn't have the majority of dems voting for him

his delegate count has been garnered from dependence upon indies and repubs

[ProSense]

29. Aren't the Democratic activists who Hillary blames for losing his base?

You all are funny (in a desperate kind of way): Obama is a lefty, centrist, Republican.

Just call him: soon to be President Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

36. we cannot even call him soon to be dem nominee

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mattclearing]

31. You didn't name one issue he embraced.

You don't even know what you are talking about, why are you here?

[rodeodance]

77. its a sneak preview----ever heard of that--its like a teaser--that is why I am here

[mattclearing]

141. Really? And I thought you were here to spit shine the turd that is Clinton '08. n/t

[angie_love]

32. Oh lord

:eyes:

[Maribelle]

33. Obama wants to be all things to all people. He has made this race about him and not the people.

He had to discuss republican issues because he needs republicans in remaining places, and fox news has labeled him the most far left candidate, even further to the left than Kerry.

Hillary's brand is all about the people - you and me and our loved ones.

[angie_love]

34. Shes a pretty good liar isn't she?

[Maribelle]

45. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote because more people believe her.

[RazBerryBeret]

53. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote

because she's demanding to count a state when her name was the only one on the ballot.

that's the way to make people believe you.

[ScarletSniper]

59. In MI she factors in 0 for Obama and doesn't count the Caucus votes...lol..she's full of it

[hayu_lol]

102. Raz...you know very well that there were four names in the Dem ballot in...

Michigan. Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich, and Clinton. How do you make four out of one.

And of course, you prefer to stay with your opinions instead of facts.

[RazBerryBeret]

107. ok...

ooh...I guess I "misspoke" I must be tired, and it IS late...

What I should have said was the the other two front-runners were not even on the ticket.
that would be Edwards and Obama. And many, many people didn't vote because they were told by the Party leaders and State officials that their vote WOULDN'T COUNT.
to try to count this vote is not only a disservice to the one remaining candidate, but the hundreds of people who didn't vote.

this isn't really that hard of a concept.

[patrice]

121. It's also a dis-service to the party, because once we say what the rules are and

then immediately trash the rules, there's no more group cohesion, and precedent has been established for anyone and everyone to break the rules. It's FATAL.

[Windy]

54. She is only ahead in the popular vote if you COUNT MI and FL! They don't count.

I'm in Michigan. Many I know stayed home on election day because they were told it didn't matter.

Sorry, HRC does not get to claim MI!!!!!!!!!

[ScarletSniper]

55. LOL..delusional ..you and she..popular vote..BS

[RazBerryBeret]

56. and she doesn't want to

count the caucus states===yeah, that's caring about the will of the people.

[rodeodance]

98. and Obama is a PROVEN Lier!!

[angie_love]

140. spell it right and maybe i'll take you seriously

[patrice]

35. Hillary SOLD you and your loved ones into WAR, because she planned to run for pResident. nt

[Bensthename]

44. nailed it..

:thumbsup:

That is exactly what happened. Polls showed people were for it at the time.
Bush sold it and she bought it. She's now paying for it.

[patrice]

64. I listened to her speech. I thought she was going to do the right thing.

During the roll call, I could hardly believe my ears, when I heard she'd voted yes. I tried every combination of reasons I could come up with, but I couldn't figure out why, until this last few months and hearing her repeat over and over again stuff about how you have to be tough and she's a fighter. That was her message all along . . . why? Because she has been planning to run for pResident for a very very long time.

[Bensthename]

105. Last election when I heard Kerry

voted for the war I was a little put off. And as soon as they started using his vote against him I knew that was going to be hard for him to beat..

And now we have sniper fire Hillary Vs war hero McCain. She has no grounds to debate him on this.
Now Obama on the other hand.....

[patrice]

111. It's my theory that that is why Kerry is pretty much sitting this one out.

He has the class to know what this is really about and to know that WE know.

[rodeodance]

113. Obama is a phony and a lier

[Condem]

114. Rodeo

lier is spelled liar. You're thinking of outlier. The polls Clinton always wins.

[Maribelle]

51. Wrong. She trusted the intelligence from the CIA Colon Powell other agencies and the president .

Hillary gave Bush the power to use force, with the success of Kosovo in mind.

[ScarletSniper]

63. Why didn't she read the intelligence?

[patrice]

70. Why did she trust that intelligence when some very reliable others didn't?

This isn't about whether she actually "voted FOR war". It's about the fact that she supported the possibility that thousands and thousands of innocent people could die. She supported the chance that they could die BECAUSE she knew she would be running for pResident and her advisers told her she'd have to be "strong on defense".

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

42. He's been dehumanized by the right wing and the Clinton campaign, hes making them see him as a perso

Clinton and the right wing have tried to make Obama a scary caracature.

WHen people meet him, they are won over.

When he goes on the show, he is no longer a cartoon or a scary
hooded muslim.

[Maribelle]

61. Obama supporters have made Obama what this race is all about, not the issues.

Sad, really.

[NightOwwl]

57. LOL

Her campaign slogan was: "I'm in it to win it."

Pretty much sums up what she's all about.

[Maribelle]

67. No that is not her campaign slogan.

[NightOwwl]

103. Oh, but it was.

The kickoff slogan
“I’m in it to win it,” in retrospect, said way too much about the mentality of the campaign. It didn’t seem to be about the American people, but about her and her coterie of well-placed acolytes inside the Beltway.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22539570/page/2/

[jefferson_dem]

85. The most "full of shit" post i've seen in a long time.

In fact, if you were paying attention, you would have noticed that early on Hillary would routinely use the word "I" several dozen times in her stump speech whereas Obama used "we". Remember "Yes, WE can" versus "I've got solutions." The campaign rhetoric serves up a crystal clear contrast.

[mtnsnake]

41. That's a shame that a high profile Dem like Obama would play kissy kissy with a Repukian mouthpiece

like Fox. Oh well, I guess when you've lost all the momentum and are about to lose the nomination, you get kind of desperate and cave to Republicans. Shame shame shame.

[2rth2pwr]

46. Obama's been a hypocrite since day one.

[mtnsnake]

52. No kidding. He says he's the anti-war candidate & then votes to fund & enable the war to continue.

He was lost for words when Kucinich called him a hypocrite during the debates.

[Windy]

58. Hillary's a proven GD Liar!!!

Not who I want for president!! We've had enough liars in the whitehouse. No More

[ScarletSniper]

66. Duck ...sniper fire

[rodeodance]

96. and Obama is a Proven GD LIER!!

[Condem]

68. Mountain

Roger Waters has endorsed Obama. Man, a tough blow.

[mtnsnake]

89. I don't care who he endorses, I still love his music.

[Condem]

91. I took you for a David Gilmour man

Like the Beatles, You're either John or Paul.

[rodeodance]

94. You do recall, it does not matter to me either. --stop being a jerk

[Condem]

97. Rodeo

How many days left? Seriously.

[Condem]

99. And , you know what?

Don't ever speak for the mountain. I think he is much more capable than you. I'm dedicating this version of Ramrod to you , rodeo.

[patrice]

106. Are you aware that the way the appropriations are bundled, he'd have to stop the money

for Veterans and for Military Families, and for all kinds of tactical opertions, leaving our troops un-supplied in enemy territory, in order to stop the money for combat operations.

Kucinich gets to say whatever he wants to say; it doesn't matter whether what he says relates to the real situation or not, BECAUSE he is NOT a contender.

I have been in the streets against this war since 2002. Unless and until the appropriations are un-bundled, the funding can't be stopped as long as the troops are in harms way. They MUST be withdrawn or redeployed somewhere FIRST, then the funding can be frozen until the pResident gives in and brings them all of the way home.

[Roxy66]

47. He knows what it will take to win over the recovering Bush voters.

What ever it takes!!!

[groovytang]

62. REC

[ErinBerin84]

71. I don't mean to be rude, but I have a few drinks in me

And certain people sound like fucking psychopaths on this thread. I hope they'll "be ok". It's kind of appropriate, as I am watching Heavenly Creatures and many people seem to fit right in.

[Condem]

73. How many, Erin?

[ErinBerin84]

76. yeah, I don't really know why I felt I had to share that

it was an effort to be restrained. I don't need to add anything else now that I got that out, haha. I can't wait for balloons and stuff.

[Condem]

81. A coupla pitchers, mysef, Erin.

Remember. This is when you can post some great shit. Let it flow!

[JoFerret]

72. Murdoch's NY Post is for Obama

But we know that will switch come November

[jefferson_dem]

75. Cumble bumble shmumble ...

If this summary is legit, i'll be more than estatic.

:patriot: I salute Barack. Right man. Right time.

“He made it very clear he was not some left … liberal and he had been mischaracterized as such,” Wallace said. “I think this was an effort to sort of restore or regain the brand that he had some months ago, when he was saying there wasn’t a Republican solution, or a Democratic solution. It was a new politics and it needed to be a coalition.”

[bhikkhu]

82. Thanks for the link - it was a good article.

I always worry about the malicious twisting the media can apply to simple interviews and debates, but this one seemed to be uniquely civil and relevant.

I live in a RW town where everyone watches Fox (though I have only seen it in youtube clips) and it sounds like a very positive thing that Obama braved the exposure and did well, addressing the questions well that most concern the viewers.

Thanks again!

[Duke Newcombe]

129. True that...

The only thing better than Obama going on Fox was listening to Sean Hillarity--er, Hannity sound like his head was about to explode when he talked about BO coming onto HIS Fox News. Classic radio, I tell you.

Prepare for more Righty head explosion sounds in the distance soon.

Duke

[rucky]

84. Name one.

then we'll talk.

[tishaLA]

86. Yes, I trust Chris Wallace to characterize Sen Obama

and his performance. Because, you know, I also celebrate Hannity and claim that Fox Noise is most balanced.

[Straight Shooter]

130. Obama supporters were applauding Chris Wallace not very long ago.

When he did that dog-and-pony act about walking off the set because he was offended at the Obama-bashing.

Now Chris Wallace has been relegated back to the doghouse.

[marshall]

92. What's wrong with discussing the other side's viewpoint?

It didn't say he was embracing their values, just discussing their viewpoints. That's a big difference in my opinion.

And issues are without sides, it's the approach one takes to dealing with them that involves taking sides.

[cindyw]

100. Nice Rovian post. Hillary and supporters say Fox IS Fair and Balanced, but Obama is bad for doing an

interview. Nice.

I'll pick the candidate who has always been genuine. But thank you for clarifying your absolute hypocrisy for everyone here.

[tammywammy]

110. Yes, I've read plenty of Hillary supporters talking about how great Fox is lately

[MethuenProgressive]

122. Clinton on FOX: "BITCH! WHORE! REPUG!" Obama on FOX: "He's so pretty! How brave! And pretty!"

Obama followers: calling them cultists is an insult to cults.

[Condem]

124. Methuen

Dangling by a thread, are ye?

[patrice]

125. Can he help it if he's pretty? I hear he's quite lithe on the basketball court too.

:rofl:

[Condem]

128. Shit, rodeo

The Clinton people have disappeared.

[GeorgeGist]

132. Perhaps Barrack gave up on his soul ...

when he gave up on being Barry. One thing for certain he, like Clinton and McCain, has plenty of false pride and conceit in his ego.

[KoKo]

134. He's a charming person and this interview was very interesting............

I only had two "quibbles" with the interview and his response which I just posted about. Other than that for this "undecided who will vote in NC on May 6th...he seemed very composed and knowledgeable...

[mbee]

135. Obama could always copy GWB's tactics from 2000

Selection where everything he said he was against was exactly what he planned to do (such as nation building). Obama is free to do whatever he wants just like busco did later on. It's obviously a winning strategy. Down is up and up is down!

[madrchsod]

139. well that post did`t make any sense

oh well........