Why is Hillary pushing to seat the delegations from Florida and Michigan?

[hedgehog]

Sure, she "won" those states, but isn't the theoretical delegate count split about 50/50?

[Barack_America]

1. She doesn't give a rats ass about the voters. She just wants the superdelegates to count.

That's the bottom-line.

She has a bunch of supers from those states that currently aren't doing anything for her. Her path to the nomination only becomes viable if she can get those supers to count.

Even she knows she's not going to win via popular vote.

[wileedog]

6. Not even that

She wants to legitimize the Popular Vote numbers from those states so she can continue her false claim that she has won this fictional yard stick.

She doesn't just care about the Delegates, she wants the popular numbers to "count" especially if it means Obama getting a zero in Michigan.

[Barack_America]

9. She won't end up with more popular votes.

That's a near certainty at this point. It doesn't matter if MI and FL count. Trust me, she wants the SD's and she wants them now (to perhaps encourage others to come out for her before she loses in NC).

[Johnny__Motown]

2. No, she won MI 55% to 40% Uncommitted, and FL was about 51-35, Plus the super delegates are cronies

Well, a good number of them are.


Plus any slime she can throw at Barack is good enough for her



But it was a name recognition poll only. Counting those votes (of which mine was one) makes no sense at all.

[krispos42]

3. It bolsters her attempts to get the superdelegates to swing over to her

With votes from Michigan and Florida added to her totals (after an unfair election, note) she can claim more votes in total than Obama, and thus justify her argument that the supers should throw in for her, even if she has fewer pledged delegates.

[hedgehog]

5. OK - that I didn't know. thank you for explaining.

[krispos42]

16. I made this post yesterday

I counted 82% of the total delegates committed.

2,824 out of 3,253 pledged delegates (87%) are committed, leaving 429 up for grabs.

489 out of 795 superdelegates (62%) are committed, leaving 306 up for grabs.

Clinton is 135 delegates behind.


Currently 53% of superdelegates have gone towards Clinton. Extrapolating to the entire 795 delegates, that means she winds up with 421 superdelegates and Obama with 374.

Clinton has currently 256 superdelegates, so she gets another 165. Obama has 233, so he gets an extra 141. That's a net gain of 25 delegates for Clinton.

Leaving her 110 down, which she needs to get from pledged delegates.

She had to get 270 of the remaining pleded delegates while Obama gets 159.



Assuming I'm accurate about the superdelegate leanings, then by using the CNN delegete calculator, Obama only needs to get 38% of the rest of the votes to get 2025 delegates, the threshold of victory.


It does not look at all workable for her.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5681290&mesg_id=5683823

[bowens43]

13. Only an idiot would think that it is appropriate

to count Michigan. The SD for the most part , are not idiots. It's not going to happen.

[Diamonique]

4. Since she "won" those states ::: cough cough :::

... the delegate split would give her more delegates from those states than Obama would get. Even if it's only one more for her from each state. I thing the SD's from those states are her friends, so that would give her a few more.

[QC]

7. Same reason Obama is pushing not to seat them--

it will benefit her.

Is this your first campaign?

[hedgehog]

10. I was trying to figure out what the possible benefit would be.

Thank you for your assistance.





:sarcasm:

[Secret_Society]

8. If they get seated do do the SDs

I think Chuck Todd said that HRC would net something like 35 supers if that happened but I'm not positive on the number

[JBoy]

11. She's dependent on perpetuating uncertainty.

If a concrete decision was actually made on what to do with FL and MI, she would be totally fucked.

So long as there is an unknown in the mix, she can always point to it as a reason to doubt or discredit Obama's lead, and to justify her staying in the race.

[bowens43]

12. Because cheating is her only chance.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. She's a Democrat, that's why.

The Obamacrats don't want MI & FL voters to have a say in who gets the nomination.

[ileus]

15. Count all the votes....Hillary 50 states in 2008

[billyoc]

17. She's campaigning for McCain now, so she can run against him in '12.

The FL-MI business is just one of a number of DLC tactics we can expect to see in the next 6 months, designed to sow discontent in the Democratic Party. A time-tested DLC strategy, if they can't be in charge, they'll teach the DP a lesson by helping the Republicans win again.