Why is Obama afraid to Debate Hillary?

[Tellurian]

The latest report of the daily tracking survey by the Gallup Poll today shows a dead-heat between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton among Democrats nationally.

by Mark Silva

Somebody wants a debate really badly. Somebody else doesn't.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, tied today with Sen. Barack Obama nationally in the latest Gallup daily tracking poll and within the margin of error in a virtual tie with Obama in recent polls in Indiana heading toward a crticial May 6 primary there, called on the junior senator from Illinois to revive a tradition started by another Illinoisan: Joining her in a "Lincoln-Douglas'' styled debate.

But Obama, in an interview that FOX News will be airing tomorrow, made it clear that he is finished (at least through Indiana) debating his rival Democrat, whom he leads in pledged party delegates and undisputed primary election votes in their quest for the presidential nomination.

"What I think the people of Indiana deserve is a real one-on-one debate where Sen. Obama and I right there in Indiana discuss these issues,'' Clinton said today in South Bend. "Now I have accepted the debates that have been offered, and actually Indiana has a debate commission which kind of organizes this, makes sure it's fair and that nobody gets any special advantage.

"I've said I'll be anywhere anytime in order to debate because I think the people of Indiana after having wandered in the wilderness of American politics for forty years deserve a debate,'' Clinton said. "Who knows, we might even carry Indiana in the fall if we start with a good debate right here.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/clinton_debate_obama_no_debate.html



...will Obama be wearing a Chicken suit at his next Indiana rally? If not...he should be!

[tekisui]

1. Somebody needs the free air time. Somebody doesn't.

[quantass]

27. EXACTLY!!

Nothing to see here...move along!

[Boz]

29. Obama as a prize fighter wont get into a street fight, when the street fighter refuses to follow

rules and will do anything to fight dirty.

Obama is a professional at what he does.

Hillary bites ears off in desperation.

[libbygurl]

148. So he won't fight McCain in the GE, too, if he doesn't want to? Ya think the Repubs

- are clean fighters? The debates thus far have been child's play compared to the real fights the GOP will offer him. He'd better get some training wheels on while he can before he has to (if he will, that is) do the real thing in the GE.

[Boz]

165. McCains got a glass jaw and cant lift his arms.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

70. Exactly.

Like that time Hillary demanded a debate when they had one the previous week and one coming up soon after.

[Rageneau]

122. Hillary wants voters to see which candidate is superior and Obama doesn't.

[helderheid]

134. DING DING DING! Time for him to debate McSame

[libbygurl]

149. Oh? Is he the nominee already? Not ready for prime time, at any rate.

[stevietheman]

184. Obama has been the presumptive nominee since Wisconsin....

to those of us who understand mathematics.

[libbygurl]

192. So why are there still primaries being held in the next few weeks? Just for fun, yes?

[stevietheman]

194. So, you think only Presidential candidates are on these ballots? sheesh n/t

n/t

[libbygurl]

201. Sheesh, why not declare the presidential nominee then?

[libbygurl]

205. Actually...

...my snarky response above notwithstanding, your answer is the correct response to my question. You win the prize! (But I don't really have anything to give you other than my warm congratulations and thanks.) :hi:

[DogPoundPup]

136. Would Hillary agree IF

There was A THIRD PERSON PRESENT - A FACT CHECKER with access to a database. After each round of debate between the candidates, the fact checker delivers a brief report on falsehoods and misrepresentations from the segment.

[libbygurl]

147. Geez, keep dragging this so-called argument out everytime the question of a new debate

comes up.

So, is he up to the challenge or not? If he was so unhappy with the moderators the last time, why then won't he do a debate WITHOUT them? Afraid he'd screw up again, besides the uhms and ahs, since he has no teleprompters or scripts to help him?

Debates test how a candidate deals with anything thrown at him or her, shows whether the person has a strong mettle, regardless of the type of question asked. If he were prez, will he also want to pick and choose which issue or problem he'll deal with?

[tekisui]

153. It is normal for the trailing candidate to want more debates.

The leading candidate has little to gain from a 23rd debate.

This format wouldn't happen anyway. I think he should call her bluff. But, if he agreed, it would never end up with a non-moderated debate. She's just making headlines.

[libbygurl]

156. Well, I'd sure as hell WANT him to call her bluff then. So why doesn't he do so and accept?

No moderators, since he whined about them last time. Does he also need a pillow for his feet?

[tekisui]

158. It would never happen.

No network would carry a moderator-free debate. If he accepted, it would inevitably fall into a "normal" debate or not happen.

But, he doesn't NEED it. She does. He can do better going to the people direct. She NEEDS to have another debate in hopes of damaging Obama more.

They are each going to try to do what will benefit them more.

[libbygurl]

161. It hasn't been proposed to the networks or PBS yet, so why are you already saying it won't happen?

He doesn't need it because he knows he won't do well - again.

[tekisui]

163. He doesn't need to do it. period.

He could do well or flop. If he does well he gains little, if he flops he loses some. That's it. It's a high-risk low-gain.

Hillary NEEDS it. she is trailing and needs to hurt Obama. She needs every chance she can get. Obama can essentially, at this point, ignore her. He can move on to attack McCain and do well enough to clinch the Nomination. There is very very little for him to gain in this offer.

It's the same reason he is mentioning Hillary very little lately. If he attacks her, he will be criticized for not practicing the new politics of hope and change. He ignores her and is accused of not being able to seal the deal.

It's not sealed, but the envelope has been licked.

[libbygurl]

181. There's a lot of flux yet to happen between now and June. Not even licked.

I wouldn't be so cocky about the licked envelope even.

He doesn't WANT to do it. Why is he talking to FOX now, when he talked a lot about boycotting the network? Is he desperate or something, after the poor showing in PA and in the last debate?

[wileedog]

2. Did people in Indiana not have Television to watch the first 21 debates?

[Tellurian]

7. Obama was so unhappy over the last debate..

He deserves another chance to make things Wright..

[ProSense]

10. She just raised $10 million. She should pay her debts or pay for advertising. n/t

[wileedog]

35. And he will be happy to oblige

Against McCain.

[frogcycle]

14. those weren't debates

[anonymous171]

3. No. She'd just use the opportunity to slime Obama with more BS

[cliffordu]

4. Baiting, are we??

Why give a woman who cannot manage her checkbook free publicity??

Fear ain't got nothing to do with it.

[JoFerret]

11. He is afraid then?

Of debating?

[Tellurian]

18. Historically, every time Obama debates Hillary, he's disappointed..

Hillary has a great idea...get rid of the moderators and go head to head in a debate for 90 minutes....

Sounds pretty fair to me.. What does Obama think he's in a campaign for President of the Rotary Club?

[cliffordu]

31. Maybe she'll snivel about the first question again.

[Tellurian]

74. Hillary has a habit of pointing out relevant and true facts..

probably why Obama is afraid the facts may be more than he can handle..

[cliffordu]

98. Obama knows your candidate is a trite afterthought in this election

and if it wasn't for her husband's coattails and popularity she wouldn't even have a Senate seat,

[libbygurl]

159. Oh, the sublime arrogance of your statement reflects so nicely on your

equally arrogant candidate. You didn't answer the question - why is Obama refusing to debate Hillary - without mods?

Who was WHINING about all those questions asked of him last time by the mods? You think you get to pick and choose which problems you're gonna deal with when you're president, too?

[Blondbostonian]

5. Why did Hillary not want to debate in 2006 ?

Was she a chicken?

[Cheap_Trick]

51. you know they can't or won't answer that n/t

[Rageneau]

123. In 2006 her opponent was a fringe candidate with, at most 13% of the vote.

As of today, Hillary and Obama are tied in Indiana and effectively tied nationally. The voting public, by their growing viewership of these debates, shows that they want to see more debates between the two.

Those are among the things that make this sitution different than during her senate primary in 2006, where her victory was never in contention.

Another reason why Obama should face up to another debate is that the voters want more information. Too bad for them that Obama, as calculating a politician as ever came out of the Daley Machine, is determined not to give them any.

[ProSense]

6. She's broke and begging. Hillary's looking for a handout. n/t

[Kaleva]

8. a giveaway

The underdog almost always asks for debates while it really doesn't do much good for the front runner.

[JoFerret]

9. A well conducted debate

- or more than one - would be in the public interest.

[lisa58]

12. no fear involved

[mtnsnake]

13. Yikes, if Obama somehow gets the nod, I hope he doesn't chicken out of debating McCain

That would not bode well for our chances.

[Tellurian]

25. haha! Typical- Obama takes care of Obama.. owes nothing to the Voters..

Obama takes care of #1!

[verges]

What "take care of the voters?"

Isn't 21 enough? Jeez, you're kinda like Bush. Keep sendin' em' back into combat!

[frogcycle]

33. I take offense at all the namecalling, and "chicken out"

but I think he would do well to take her up on it. She has proposed a one on one, no moderator, actual debate] - something we have yet to see.

Bullshit questions about flag pins and rev wright and Bosnia should be out of bounds. But policy questions, "how are you going to accomplish..." questions, between the two would be reasonable. Obama would do just fine, and could put to rest, once and for all, any doubt in anyone's mind as to who has what it takes.

This could be a huge favor to him - it would be like her prepping him for the big time. Not that he necessarily needs that, but hey, I'll take all the insurance I can get.

He WILL be "debating" mccain in a few of the moderated dog-and-pony shows - unless - unless - they do this one as she proposes, he goes on to get the nomination - and he then challenges mccain to the same deal. THAT would be brutal. They'd have to declare the smear rule after the second inning. mccain would never do it, of course, but then all teh snide remarks now aimed at Obama could be aimed at mccain.

[Tellurian]

83. Especially now the new Gallup Poll shows them in a dead heat nationally!

Well, I take offense at seeing a cartoon portraying Obama as a hero cutting off Hillary's arms and legs..That is a portrait of a flat out coward! I don't blame the cartoonist; I blame the poster for having the poor taste to post it!

[Why Syzygy]

97. Dead Heat

[frogcycle]

130. you do your candidate a disservice

I swear this thing is like a little league ball game with out-of-control parents wanting Johnny to get an at-bat

If anyone wants to see the Ugly American, they should just visit GD-P

[libbygurl]

173. If this is all so beneath you, why are you also engaging in it?

[NJmaverick]

15. When you are in the lead, there is little point in debating for a 22nd time

The loser debates, hoping the front runner makes a mistake, and they will move up. Why not? They have nothing to lose. The leader on the other hand, has nothing to gain.

[Tellurian]

28. Obama is in a dead heat w/Hillary in Indiana... can he afford to lose Indiana?

well, ok then!

[NJmaverick]

128. Indiana is do or die for Hillary

Yes Obama would like to win it and seal the deal, but it's not a must have. Besides that, we have seen through out the campaing, the better people get to know the two candidates the better Obama does. He just has to campaign, and he will be fine.

[smalll]

16. The pusillanimous Obama campaign -

where America's chickens ... come home to roost!

[Tellurian]

34. Some of them are suiting up in their Chicken attire...whimpy, afraid of a little ole debate..

[Orangepeel]

17. If the last (21st) debate was any indication, they've run out of issues

His time is better spent talking to voters in other ways.

[Seeker30]

21. They have only debated 4 times

Nice try at spreading misinformation.

[Orangepeel]

67. Back at ya

I said there have been 21 debates. There have been 21 debates. Even though most of the debates included more people than just the two of them, as a former Edwards supporter, I know that Obama and Clinton each got a lot of questions and got to talk a lot. It is silly to ignore those debates as actually having happened.

[Tellurian]

87. Forget it.. Obama is too frightened.. he's polling even with Hillary nationwide

You have to admit, Obama isn't much of a competitor.. No worries Obama is Olympic material!

[Orangepeel]

88. so scared he's going to run all the way to the nomination

:rofl:

as long as we're trash talking

[libbygurl]

160. How? Where are his 2025 delegates needed to win the nom?

[cliffordu]

90. Uh.....What are you saying???

[hedgehog]

19. What topics would be covered in a debate? Why should a candidate

waste several days prepping for a debate when that time could be put to use putting out the message the candidate wants to deliver. I've been disappointed by the debates, and I realize it's because Obama never gets a chance to focus on what he wants to do but instead is stuck answering gotcha questions and responding to whatever extreme hypothetical someone thinks up.

[rwheeler31]

20. She is acting so desperate and needy it is very unbecoming .

[libbygurl]

174. He is acting so fraidy cat, it is very unbecoming.

[nebula]

22. He doesn't want to climb back into the gutter with her

let's have another debate about flagpins, pastors and 60s radicals. yeah right.

The country has had enough of Hillary's sleazy gutter politics.

[d00mzday]

23. The joke is on her

Hillary figured out that it was the only way to get people to listen to her. The joke is on her though, we have mute buttons on our tv's now.

[Tellurian]

37. Joke # 26

pffft!



The Egg-man Cometh! His nameth, Obamath!

[sellitman]

24. One of the great joys here on DU will be when we get to see you go back to bashing Repiggies.

Just saying.

Hillary is broke. Of course she wants free airtime. Duh.

[Tellurian]

46. I'm glad to hear that..

you will be staying after Hillary Wins the Nomination..

Imagine, if Obama had only taken-up Hillary's debate offer. Sort of cowardly for a US Presidential hopeful to shy away from an itty bitty debate challenge..What will the World think? Hillary too strong for Obama? Hillary tipping the scales? Maybe.

[sellitman]

58. Will you stick around after Obama beats Hillary?

The crow you will have to eat may prove a bit daunting.

I hope you are up for the task.

[libbygurl]

162. Don't count your chickens (chickens??!!) before they're hatched.

Or come home to roost.

[RBInMaine]

26. "Afraid" in 21 debates and many more forums?? Hillary SPINton strikes again.

[RazBerryBeret]

30. it's really pretty simple...

the loser always wants to debate, the winner doesn't want to waste the time when he could be campaigning..

much like Hill's senate run:

Her opponent, Jonathan Tasini, is low on almost everything, from funds to name recognition. Mrs. Clinton has successfully ignored Mr. Tasini all summer, and now it seems clear that she has no intention of responding to his demands that she meet him in a debate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/opinion/21mon3.html?_...

[BlueIdaho]

32. Can't wait until the new talking point comes out on Hillary'saloser.org

So all you fine folks can carpet bomb this forum with your next "big" idea..

[jenmito]

36. Why are you and every other Hillary supporter afraid to comment on this thread?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5684671&mesg_id=5700410

[Condem]

38. Tell me the future, Tellurian

[dkf]

39. Its a waste of time...its already OVER.

I wish he would start debating McCain. That is where the action is.

[Butch350]

40. Why is Obama afraid to Debate Hillary?

WOW! You Clinton_Nites_of_the-living-Dead say you have this nomination in the bag. You say
Hillary will be the next nominee then why debate? What's the use. Obama is done.

[Johnny__Motown]

41. The Losers always want another debate... it is time to move onto a GE strategy,

[Tellurian]

95. Read the OP..Gallup puts them in a dead heat Nationally..

I guess Obama is losing ground faster than Wright is saying he's NOT Wrong..

[ObamaKerryDem]

140. "The Losers always want another debate... it is time to move onto a GE strategy,"

Well said!

[backscatter712]

42. It's just a flesh wound! I'll bite your legs off!

[Tellurian]

49. Is that pic your own creation?

[backscatter712]

50. Just a quick photochop of mine, but yes.

Just googled some images and attacked them with GIMP, that's all.

[PseudoIntellect]

43. This isn't a matter of fear; it's a matter of desperation.

[libbygurl]

175. Yes, BO's desperate not to look foolish again in another debate.

[RichardRay]

44. I don't believe Senator Clinto knows...

what a 'Lincoln-Douglas' debate is. If she just means a un-moderated free for all then Senator Obama makes a good tactical choice in turning her down. If she really means an LD debate in the full NFL format then it would be a great step upwards from anything I've ever seen touted as a 'debate' in US electoral politics.

Definition of 'Lincoln-Douglas' Debate

(Note: 'NFL' is not the National Football League :-)

[libbygurl]

176. Good God, Hillary has already stated they would agree to certain rules. It won't be a free-for-all.

[DB1]

45. Hillary is no longer relevant. End of debate.

[libbygurl]

157. Keep trying. After she won PA decisively? The voters disagree with you.

[BlueJac]

47. Your are a fool!

You must not of seem the last debate, or you did and you loved it. Get a life and support the winner, OBAMA!

That must be you in the chicken suit........or you are a coward!

[ProSense]

48. Hillary doesn't realize she lost a long time ago:

[Cheap_Trick]

52. she's like that Japanese soldier on Gilligan's Island

who didn't know the war was over.

[Tellurian]

55. Wow...the radicals are projecting a winner..

Warrior? Obama is Chicken Man... There isn't a Cartoon in the World that would portray him a Hero!

Talk about the Backlash Cometh!


Hillary asks Obama to Debate..what does Obama do?

[ProSense]

59. "Radicals"? Is that code for Democratic activists? Yes, Hillary has lost. Face it

now or when she is forced to.

[Tellurian]

64. No it's code for zealots who are keyboard militants!

That is the most disgusting thing you've posted to date..

[Forkboy]

78. Speaking of keyboard zealots.

:rofl:

You're so tough and brave.

[ProSense]

82. "Zealots"? You have a pink logo in your signature that is a symbol of far-fetched!

Crazy!

[Tellurian]

84. You have jumped the shark my friend... Karma has a way of dealing with people like you!

[ProSense]

93. You're delusional. Here:

Karma for you.

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

115. "you are a sick individual!" That's called projecting. n/t

[Moochy]

121. Hump the shark!

[Ichingcarpenter]

86. Really, you should go back and do what you do best

Porn reviews or shopping for bargains at Wal-Mart, either way,
you could get better reviews than the 44 worthless things you
type every day.

[here_is_to_hope]

66. Your are drinking, right? Cuz as I go down the page...

...yep, you are doing shots to some kinda twisted game ya got here, flame baiting and what not.
Pro Clinton lets you lick the cap but Pro Obama gets you a whole shot...
So you must be getting ripped.
What do you get to drink if I agree?
Hmmmm?
Too much?
So much you pass out?
Yes then, agreed.

[Ichingcarpenter]

76. Just like this!

[backscatter712]

63. Hah! See my photochop earlier in this thread!

I didn't even see this cartoon. Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking of that Monty Python scene..

[sellitman]

71. Awesome!

I love it!

[AirmensMom]

53. Aren't you getting tired

of being so nasty?

[Cheap_Trick]

54. If she's so eager to attempt more slime

then maybe she should pay for the "debate". What? The $10 million she "raised" will have to go pay off the $10 million she's in debt? Well, crap on a cracker. She's fucked.

[libbygurl]

177. When did she 'attempt more slime'? It was the mods who asked the questions, fool/

[JimGinPA]

56. Why Is Hillary Afraid To Wear A Skirt?

Or appear in public without 1/4 inch of makeup hiding her wrinkles?


Fuck you & your chicken suit.

[Tellurian]

109. Who are you to insist she wear clothing to please your fragile sensibilities?

[Popol Vuh]

168. She doesn't realize yet

That Obama is not the type character who beats a dead horse. The irony with this poster is that she calls other people chicken when she's too chicken to declare her gender in her profile.

21 Debates Missy. If Clinton can't get it right after 21 debates, I hardly think 1 or a 1000 more will accomplish anything but waste everybody's time.

Now run along and play and let the adults discuss more serious matters.

[libbygurl]

190. If that's your issue, then you want BO to wear a skirt, too? Is that a requirement to be prez?

Ooh, emotions got the better of you? Have a nice cool drink (no more Kool-Aid) and calm down. You are talking nonsense. What does wearing or not wearing a skirt have to do with one's ability or competence to be president?

[Taxmyth]

57. He's scared

That's OK, if he gets the nomination the GOP won't say anything about his being afraid. Right?

[Tellurian]

65. The World will view a possible US president as a coward!

who hides behind Chicken suits and militant cartoons!

[Popol Vuh]

186. Spoken Just Like Rush Limbaugh

I see you listen to neo-con radio.

[Name removed]

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[Chalco]

61. He's not a good debater. He wouldn't do well against McShame either.

[Tellurian]

69. If you can't debate and win against your own wife and kids..

I guess Hillary is too strong for him!

[elleng]

62. He's recognized she has a better grip on all relevant issues,

and can discuss them in depth. (Unfortunately for her, 'the people' are not used to listening to in depth discussions of issues. Thanks, media.)

he thinks he doesn't NEED more 'face time;'

he doesn't need 'free t.v.'

[MethuenProgressive]

68. Obama will run away from another debate faster than he ran away from Pastor Wright and Rezko.

[Tellurian]

72. You mean faster than he did throwing Grandma under the bus?

[MethuenProgressive]

75. She was just a "typical white person," anyway.

He says the most bizarre things.

[Condem]

77. No

You do. Methuen

[Tellurian]

92. As is Hillary and John Edwards..

remembering he made another strange comment about Edwards at the debate... Hillarys a female candidate, He is a Black candidate and Edwards is "just a white guy candidate"

[Condem]

73. Methuen

Mr. Hit & Run. Never hangs too long. Too many tough questions.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

79. "Why do I always get the first question?"

:cry: :eyes:

[libbygurl]

178. Because it was an obvious pattern - and he would merely echo her ideas, but ramble on and on.

She has done very well in all the debates.

[DearAbby]

80. Strategic wise...Why should he?

He doesn't have to debate Hillary, If he were chicken, as you are trying to say...why did he bother to debate her the past 23 times? Strategic wise, another debate will be a waste of time.

[kwenu]

81. Adults aren't moved by childishness. Hillary will sit in her mudpuddle ALONE!!!!!!!

[Forkboy]

94. That would explain why some Hillary fans are moved. Children love childishness.

[billyoc]

85. Somebody has a GE campaign to run, and somebody does not.

Free air time for Clinton, do you really think Obama will go for that? :rofl:

[Why Syzygy]

89. That's right. He's REALLY SCARED!!! .. oooooww

[frazzled]

91. Is that you, Bill O'Reilly?

I could have spotted you anywhere, even under some fake Internet pseudonym, by your "x is too scared to come on and debate me" line.


Listen, soap up the loofa, and you'll feel better in the morning.

[akbacchus_BC]

96. You should be wearing the chicken suit! Sorry, why he need to ...

debate her at this late state. Bear with it, he is the nominee and every Democratic will be voting for him. Senator Hillary Clinton is old news, please give her the chicken suit! Some of you are beyond thinking, get a grip and welcome to our next President, Barack Obama!

[Tellurian]

99. Well, I'm here and I'm NOT afraid to debate YOU!

you sound confused...

[akbacchus_BC]

100. Why don't you send your paycheck to her campaign? What is ...

there to debate. You are one confused person. Go Obama

[akbacchus_BC]

103. I think you have it all wrong, neither you nor I are running for the ...

Presidency of the US. Tell me why would I want to debate with you. Your candidate sucks, big time.

[Tellurian]

104. Re-read your post # 96

Why would I need a Chicken suit. I'm not Obama and neither do I get paid by Hillary's campaign to post here. Hillary will be the Dem nominee and will Win the General Election.

[akbacchus_BC]

117. Never said you got paid hon, you are barking up the wrong tree ...

you are wearing the chicken suit, not me!

[helderheid]

101. Why is Hillary afraid to debate Barack?

Last I heard, she turned down a NC debate.

:shrug:

[akbacchus_BC]

102. Senator Clinton is not debatable anymore, who wants to debate ...

with a loser. Some people just do not know when to quit. It is not her turn! She should try again in 8 years!

[Tellurian]

105. Your candidate's loss in PA showed him to be a weak

representative as the Dem Nominee. Hillary has beaten him in all the Big states. Why is Obama afraid to debate a "GIRL"?

[LibGranny]

110. The only thing about Shillary that's 44 is

ONE SIDE of her hips!

[akbacchus_BC]

118. why should Obama debate your candidate, Obama is the nominee unless Hilllary gets chosen.

Why on earth Obama needs to debate your goddess, because she out of money and need air time. gimme a break!

[Exilednight]

106. 22 Debates aren't enough? How many times do you want to hear the same arguments? n/t

[ruby slippers]

107. what I don't get is "how would they have a debate with no moderators?"...

at least, that is what Hillary is proposing now.

Now, if they had a town hall meeting, then I think Obama should do it. But, I agree, a debate "unmoderated" is like suicide....

[IsItJustMe]

108. Cause she ain't right. PERIOD. Just my opinion.

[truth please]

112. No free publicity for Hillary let her

sink deeper into the hole by making her spend all her money campaigning. His campaign is really smart, he's making her spend herself into oblivion. She will either start spending her own money or give up.

[McCamy Taylor]

113. Not fair. He isn't afraid of Clinton. It is the MSM that he worries about.

He gains nothing from another debate.

[libbygurl]

152. The MSM have been coddling him like a baby all this time.

What's to fear? Maybe that a debate - with or without mods - will expose his erstwhile hidden weaknesses so blatantly, the MSM will have to be deaf, dumb and blind (and paid off?) not to acknowledge them?

[Tresalisa]

114. I say no more debates until one of them faces McCain!

Honestly, after 21, or whatever it's been, that's enough. Let 'em both campaign and finish out this primary, give us a nominee, and then go after McCain. a

Edited for clarity - it's been a looooong day...

[nichomachus]

116. Why does Hillary desperately need another debate?

I don't waste my time debating my right-wing relatives. It's not fear. It's just a case of been-there-done-that and there's no advantage to me. A waste of time.

The real question is why does Hillary desperately need to debate yet once again.

[akbacchus_BC]

119. Free air time, she thinks she is smart and her chicken wearer

supporters are just a bunch of chicken. How fabulous of them to wear a chicken suit and then play the victim. Go Obama!

[nichomachus]

120. How about this for a debate

Maybe Obama should agree to a debate -- but have the debate questioners be from the European media -- drawn at random for a list of accredited journalists.

I'll be that would shut her yap right quick. She couldn't take being asked real questions by real reporters on real issues. She's used to deflecting the stupid questions being asked by even stupider "journalists" from the networks.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

124. Hey!

Can't wait to work with you getting Obama elected president! I hope you put this vitriol behind you as Hillary is done and we do need to work against McCain.

[rodeodance]

126. Tough questions even related to issues such as health care are obviously

too much for him.

[Blarch]

127. Imagine that.

Over 20 debates and the hillary supporters are stupid enough to claim Obama is afriad to debate.

What a joke.

[mkultra]

129. the same reason the heavy weight champ doesnt....

fight every punk that challenges him.


even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Buddyblazon]

131. Don't act so naive Tellurian...

you know why he hasn't and probably won't. Because at this point he's far ahead in the delegate count.

No reason to give her free air time...especially since this has suddenly become a battle of attrition. Let me put it this way...if he does...he's stupid.


And stop acting so desperate. I have stated many time that I will vote for either of them. YOU...are not helping your cause.

In other words:

Don't be the squeaky wheel. In this case, you're just sort of humiliating yourself.

[Raffi Ella]

132. HA! that chicken graphic is SO apropos!

He won't do it because he KNOWS Hillary will look poised and PRESIDENTIAL and he WON'T! He won't because when he talks without a script/ teleprompter his whole ACT falls apart!!! He won't because he's a fucking FRAUD

[Forkboy]

133. It's apropos if you're seven years old.

Doesn't say much for you that you agree with such simplistic tripe. :think:

[RestoreGore]

135. Obama seems to like FOX news better...

Not surprising. He rails against the media in the last debate because he didn't like the questions, then goes on FOX. Hello? He then refuses a debate without that interference by all of a sudden saying there have been enough debates when surely based on the fact that the MSM staged bs debates this would be a chance to really let people hear what he didn't get to say in those bs debates. How hypocritical. If he can't even face Hillary Clinton one on one how is he going to do it in the WH?

[oasis]

137. Obama will be wearing his usual spineless jellyfish suit. (eom)

[MethuenProgressive]

138. Could be that he's afraid of trees.

[libbygurl]

151. LOL! Next thing you know, his believers will want to ban all trees, just like ABC mods. nt

[americanstranger]

139. Note to Clinton supporters regarding debates:

The frontrunner calls the shots. Not the also-ran.

That is all.

- as

[MethuenProgressive]

141. "Why is Obama afraid to Debate Hillary?" He's a fucking coward without a MSM hack between them.

He might actually have to answer a fucking question for once, and that has his Swiftboat crew terrified.

[americanstranger]

142. Let the hate and bitterness flow...

Some show y'all are putting on here.

You have no claim whatsoever to the high ground after this thread - if you ever did.

- as

[GoesTo11]

143. Just because you don't want to be with a disgusting person, doesn't mean you're afraid

If someone hadn't showered for 3 months, and stunk to high heaven, drunk, just came out of the sewer, and that person wanted to give me a bearhug, I wouldn't be afraid of the bearhug, but it would be totally gross and I just wouldn't desire any of that person's slime rubbing off on me. Call me elitist.

[hedgehog]

144. Why was Hillary afraid to debate Jonathan Tasini?

[WeDidIt]

145. The issues have been debated. The issues have been re-debated

The issues have been debated so many times we are now reduced to debating about flag pins and people whom the candidates had dinner with a couple of times.

There's no reason for any more debates.

[NorthCarolina]

146. He's clearly ahead so why should he give a leg up to the underdog?

If Hillary were in his position at this stage of the game do you think she would debate him at his request? I laugh OUT LOUD if you actually think so. 21 debates is plenty to make a decision. I made mine, and apparently so have you. Probably best to just get over it because it won't happen. There's no need for it.

[RememberWellstone]

150. He is on cruise control

Which is dangerous for him...this is'nt a rope-a-dope, this is cross your fingers, close your eyes and hope it all ends before Denver.

[Popol Vuh]

154. Why Debate the Loser?

[libbygurl]

155. A loser is one who doesn't even try. What's he got to lose, anyway, if he's such a winner?

What is he afraid of?

[Popol Vuh]

166. Afraid? You're silly

After 21 debates what could they possibly debate over that hasn't already been debated a gazillion times?

To sum it up: In desperation your candidate (and you as well) are trying to use childish tactics right out of the Republican play book in a last ditch effort to get some free media time because she's broke, and the fact that she's lost shows that she and her die-hard followers are not just childish, but selfish to the point where they display a complete lack of respect toward the democrat party. That or either they display a complete disassociation with reality. One or the other.

Seriously, even a child could see right through Clinton and her die-hard follower's cheap desperate tactics. Why should Obama lower himself down to that level - especially when he's the winner?


BTW I am not an Obama supporter. I only supported Dennis Kucinich so I don't have any built in bias toward Hillery or Obama.

[libbygurl]

167. And you are...? What's with the 'democrat' party? Thought real Dems didn't use that as an adjective.

21 debates? Only four have been with Hill and BO solely.
Free air time, free air time! The shopworn defence is really shopworn. If he's the winner, why doesn't he show it in a debate, 'cause he sure looked like a loser in the last one.

[Popol Vuh]

183. The last one?

With complete moronic questions about things like lapel pins, if you call that a debate then I feel sorry for you.

Give it up, your desperation over the loser anti-labor war mongering candidate ain't going to work. She's lost and there's no need to help her continue to make the party look bad.

She's nothing more than an embarrassment now.

[golddigger]

172. Hmm...democrat party. Showing your colors?

[zabet]

164. Why did the chicken cross the road?

So he wouldn't have to debate Hillary!! :rofl:

K and R

[libbygurl]

169. One of the funniest yet I've read anywhere, CJ! LOL! Brava! nt

[Moochy]

170. Good To see you cleaned up your hillaryis44.org cialis portal

[Egnever]

171. This your first Election?

the frontrunner never needs the debates its always the loser that has to beg for them.

Can you figure out who the loser is?

[zulchzulu]

179. Somebody debated somebody 21 times. Somebody else doesn't have any money left.

It's very simple.

Obama doesn't need to debate The Cackler. She's broke. She's run out of luck. She can't afford to do attack ads on television because she's run a SHITTY campaign.

It's over.

:rofl:

[libbygurl]

193. If it's over, why are there still upcoming primaries? Why hasn't anyone called them off yet?

[zulchzulu]

203. There is this subject you might have missed in school called "math"

If you know about this subject "math" and you look at the amount of delegates left in the upcoming states and you figure out that Obama's delegate lead is insurmountable (sorry, big word...), you see that the contest is OVER. We just have to wait for Hillary to try to destroy Obama because she is selfishly looking at 2012 to run against McSame.

If you can illustrate how Hillary can win (without cheating), I'd like to see it.

[libbygurl]

206. The correct answer to my question was given upthread by stevietheman.

[atjrpsych]

180. Maybe he is just sick of her harass ive style

Honestly, why do they need another debate right now? Just because Hillary is good at picking on Obama doesn't make her the better candidate. Her debates remind me so much of the GOP I feel like that is where we are headed, when I see her attacking...she seems really desperate, I think she would throw her sister under the bus to win this primary.

[libbygurl]

185. Wow, if you think Hillary's so-called'attacking' is so mean, wait till the GOP get their hands on...

...poor widdle baby BO. Besides, it was the MODS who were asking the questions that BO couldn't answer coherently or convincingly.

So why is he talking now to FOX, having suggested he was boycotting them? Desperate, perhaps, after the poor results in the last debate and whining about those mean questions, and in PA despite outspending his opponent on ads several times over?

[stevietheman]

182. When the moderators only want to ask about gotcha's rather than issues, what's the point? n/t

n/t

[libbygurl]

187. The point is, a good candidate should be able to turn the questions, no matter the quality,

to his or her advantage. Tests your mettle, ability to handle anything that is thrown your way. Will BO the president want to cherry pick the questions and problems he'll want to deal with, too?

[stevietheman]

195. Obama has already answered all the gotchas effectively. No need for reruns. n/t

n/t

[StevieM]

188. Remember when Bush tried to get out of the debates? "We may take one commission debate,

one debate from...." Non-stop rationalization.

Obama is just like Bush. Except not as nice.

Steve

[libbygurl]

191. BO is the left wing's version of GWB.

The smirking arrogance, the 'You know that I'm the nominee' declaration to Ed Rendell, the fawning by the media. Just to name a few. BO is just a bit more articulate and coherent. But there's no 'there' there, either.

[stevietheman]

196. It's not arrogant to speak truth -- Obama *is* the presumptive nominee.

And the only candidate fighting an arrogant, dirty campaign, a la Dubya, is indeed Hillary.

[Political Heretic]

189. There's nothing politically in it for him. Why should he?

[avrdream]

197. Quack, quack.

He's ducking, Tell.

[Overseas]

198. EAT IT RAW ! He just doesn't owe her that favor.

She got Georgie Stephie and Gibbie to sandbag the last debate with pathetic boring sleazy topics. Why should he favor her with a rematch? Thanks but no thanks.

[Duke Newcombe]

199. One word: Cooties.

Just sayin'

Duke

[Moochy]

200. Because Hillary has taken to brandishing a Bat?

[madwivoter]

202. Sure, Hillary wants a debate, she needs the free air time.

I understand that you want Hillary to have the free air time, she needs it.

In each debate that I watched it was all old news or the moderators re-hashing shit that's been beat to death (for BOTH candidates). Nothing new comes out, the only purpose these debates serve is to let someone flip-flop on an issue that's been taking them down in the polls.

I think it's funny when Hillary supporters latch onto the MSMs new topic and run with it, there's usually a new one every couple of weeks. Reverend Wright!! Give us another debate!! Reverend Wright!! Debate debate debate!!

Come on. Give me a fucking break.

[undeterred]

204. Yeah, Obama's "afraid". That's it.