KansasVoter
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:01 AM
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Hillary Fans, why are you not more disappointed and embarrassed in how bad she has ran this campaign... |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:16 AM by KansasVoter
She had every advantage in the world. More than any candidate ever.
Plenty of early money. Plenty of money raising experts.
More Name recognition than any candidate in political history.
A COMPLETE network of expert political advisor's.
Contacts and political names for every state in the union.
Tons of experience in campaigning.
And yet got beat by a nobody that no one knew on Super Tuesday. And had no plans after Super Tuesday.
Why are you not just fuming about how unprepared she has been to take on Obama? I think your anger about how bad she has campaigned is being taken out on Obama. It is not his fault!!!
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:06 AM
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1. I think they're waiting for her to figure out a way to actually blame |
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Obama for all that money wasted.....
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:38 AM
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:43 AM
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22. Oh, man that's just wrong.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:46 AM
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23. One can only get away with posting something like that... |
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... here at DU.
God, I love this place!
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:49 AM
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25. Yep - I DO so love it here..... |
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Sun Apr-27-08 07:55 AM
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33. That'd be even better as a dimmer switch |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:09 AM
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2. I think she has run a good campaign. |
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I am a proud hillary supporter and have no harsh feelings for Obama. If he is the nominee I will vote for him.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:12 AM
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I was and am VERY proud of voting for Hillary Clinton in the Texas Primary.
She is the things that dreams are made of, and somehow her opponent wants to make her into a nightmare.
People, across the world are STILL scared of a strong woman. Not me.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:24 AM
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9. Me thinks you didn't read the OP |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:47 AM
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24. And "me thinks" the OP is ooze. |
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I am unapologetically pro-Clinton and anti-McCain.
The OP's argument was specious, at best.
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Sun Apr-27-08 07:39 AM
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31. Yes, she has run a good campaign, |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:09 AM
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3. Hmmm...I laugh at this thread. |
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Where in the heck have you been the last 40 years?
The Clintons saved the US from the second term of GHWB. They did real good, and now? They are a dynasty? Really?
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:15 AM
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Yeah, NAFTA really rocks.. |
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That media consolidation thing worked out real nice too.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:13 AM
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5. I think Clinton and her campaign have made way to many |
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mistakes in strategy, personal, message and use of funds throughout this campaign. If she changed some of her personal, managed money better, did more fund raising online and ran with more of a positive message, I think she could have won.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:25 AM
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:31 AM
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16. Thanks, I'm waiting anxiously for someone to write a book on all of this |
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I'd stand in line to buy that book. My feeling is there are many things still to be learned from what has gone on behind the scenes.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:17 AM
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6. Hillary has not run a bad campaign. |
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Democratic voters just got caught up in Obamamania for a short while after Super Tuesday. And with 90% of the black vote, he is going to be hard to beat in lots of primaries.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:20 AM
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7. She had NO plans for after Super Tuesday. You call that being prepared? |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:23 AM
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8. For having no plans after Super Tuesday, she sure did a good job winning OH and PA. |
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If she had no plans after Super Tuesday, how did she win OH, PA and TX?
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:26 AM
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11. LOL....READ,,,,,she lost 12 in a row after Super Tuesday. .... |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:29 AM by KansasVoter
Then won Texas by 2% when she was leading it by 22% and won Ohio by 10% when she was leading it by 24%.
If that sounds prepared to you then vote Hillary!
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:28 AM
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13. Lost 12 in a Row, actually! |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:29 AM by quantass
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:29 AM
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14. After Iowa, you could pave out wins for Obama in each one of those 10 states. |
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Except perhaps Wisconsin. The demographics favored him in most of those states. Likewise, we knew that from March 4th on, Hillary would be favored except in North Carolina.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:31 AM
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15. So you're saying she WANTED the 25+ pts BOWOUTS in those 12 contests to happen, as part of the plan? |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:34 AM by quantass
Hence, bad campaign managing on her part.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:36 AM
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19. No, I am not saying she intended 25 point losses. |
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But that 10 state winning streak was at the height of Obamamania when the media was fawning over him. They were not giving Hillary fair coverage. Add to that favorable demographics for him and you could understand why Obama won 10 straight states.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:32 AM
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17. BS, with her advantage...... |
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she sould have been prepared with staff on the ground to win caucuses after Super Tuesday. But she was not!
Obama came from nowhere to beat her. She was not prepared at all.
There is a video of her saying that after Super Tuesday "it won't matter anymore' about the election.
Ego and arrogance pure and simple.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:58 AM
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She has no momentum, she just came across a few states that the demographics favored her in. Like Ohio & PA.
And from March 4th on she's not favored. She should win 5 of 10 states.
That's what i've been saying for days now. Neither has momentum, it just happens that these next 10 primaries except for Indiana are tailor made for one or the other.
Where she really blew it was allowing Obama to get those 20-30 pooint wins in all those states that favored him, to rack up the big delegates. She was playing them like it was winner take all, and a 1 vote margin was all she needed.
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Sun Apr-27-08 07:51 AM
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32. What about Wyoming, Mississippi, Vermont and |
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SD,OR and MT? All these favored Hillary. And he won Texas.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:27 AM
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12. Remember...she's LOST! Nothing will change that. |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:36 AM
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18. There is a vIDEO on YouTube of Hillary herself indicating she had no plan after Super Tuesday. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:37 AM by quantass
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:41 AM
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21. What about her inability to get fundraising from her supporters? Thats your words from Feb 6th |
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:23 AM
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29. Hillary's campaign has been Shit |
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and if you haven't noticed, Barack Obama will be the Nominee
Remember that we all repeatedly called you on your bigoted bullshit on the day Obama takes the Oath of Office.
I hope you'll be able to live with yourself after you find out how wrong you have been.
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:00 AM
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the largest problem is she has run this like a GE campaign rather than the primary that it is. She can't seem to understand she's running against another good democratic candidate, and we're recoiling from the attacks that we would be cheering if he were a Republican in the general. That explains deflections from people who have known and liked her for years, myself included. Too bad.
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:15 AM
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28. We're saving it for when Obama loses 49 states to McCain |
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We're going to need all the disappointment we can scrape together.
Then, of course, you can spend the next 8 years blaming Hillary for that, too.
--p!
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:24 AM
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30. I can not be embarassed by someone whose base is the poor and unemployed. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 02:24 AM by McCamy Taylor
And gays and women. Those are the people whom the Democratic Party usually pays no attention to. I only began to respect her when she refused to bow out.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:06 AM
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35. If that's her "base", they're bamboozled. |
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Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way I see it.
Obama has put plenty of effort into helping the poor and unemployed, I don't see any difference even on the surface there. As for women and gays, the Clintons already sold out the gays and based on her behavior, I expect Hillary would sell out women too, the minute she thought it would be advantageous to her.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:11 AM
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36. What a silly statement. First of all, American history is rife |
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with examples of scurrilous politicians with that base. Secondly, She has little more support from gays than Obama. Thirdly, Obama has substantial support from those same groups. You do realize that the AA demographic is not all comprised of wealthy latte drinkers, I trust. Finally, your answer is totally non-responsive, this is simply about her campaign and how poorly run it's been. The turmoil inside her campaign and the gross errors in judgment are hardly a secret.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:00 AM
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34. Hillary is nothing more than a spoiler at this point reading off Republican talking points |
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against the inevitable Democratic candidate.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:11 AM
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37. I'm not a Hillary Fan, but it is clear to me |
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that she was unprepared for a real challenge.
It was arrogance based on all the things you list.
I happen to think it's great that no one waltzed into the nomination.
The Repulicans messed up worse, I think. The schism in their party is far deeper and more relevant.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:16 AM
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Even facing a highly charismatic opponent who was able to raise record amounts of money and craftily gamed the caucuses, Clinton has kept within striking distance, and has come back every time she was counted out.
She has built a strong base among women, elderly, latinos, and working class whites.
She leads in the popular vote, due to her wise decision to leave her name on the ballot in Michigan, and she has strengthened as the campaign has gone one.
With her fighting spirit and creative approach, she has closed the gap in the polls.
She has shined in debates, and has grown as a candidate in public forms where she has been able to show her personal side and her empathy alongside her mastery of facts and vision for America.
Because she was already vetted, there have not been any substantial attacks on her, but she has shown that she can dish it out. She is showing superdelegates that she is the one who can win in November, and with this appeal to super-delegates and even pledged deletates, she may yet pull it out.
A brilliant campaign against nearly impossible odds.
Anyone want to argue with that?
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:30 AM
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39. So close -- but you blew it |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 08:31 AM by nichomachus
If only Hillary supporters were able to support their gal without a gratuitous smear of Obama, it would be so much better for her. But they just can't seem to resist flinging the mud. Too bad. You almost had it. I've been looking in vain here for a post supporting Hillary that didn't include some kind of smear of Obama. I haven't seen one yet.
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Sun Apr-27-08 09:17 AM
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40. This Clinton supporter listens, watches, sifts, thinks, compares |
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and has kept her at the top of the possible presidents this time around.
Is there some other way to handle the ongoing campaign?
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