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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:53 AM
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Medusa, bitch, witch, mad cow, DemocRAT... Why does America hate Hillary Clinton so much?
Hillary Clinton is a witch who eats babies. She is a modern-day Medusa who turns men to stone. She is a DemocRAT, with a rodent's body and long tail. She is a mad cow, spreading disease across the country. Hey guys, life's a bitch, so why vote for one? No, I haven't taken leave of my senses: I am simply repeating some of the most vitriolic attacks on a woman who has dared to run for the White House, prompting an outpouring of misogyny on a scale that brings to mind medieval witch-hunts. The amazing thing is not that Clinton is trailing Barack Obama, but the fact that she's doing so well.

Last weekend she won Pennsylvania, despite her campaign being outspent three-to-one. She has been written off countless times since January, when commentators gleefully – and wrongly – declared that Clinton had been defeated in the New Hampshire primary; one conservative pundit confidently said: "The witch is dead, and life is going to change." Three months later, Clinton is still in the race, but I sometimes wonder how she manages to get up every morning. I'm not a natural supporter, but the degree of vilification she has been subjected to reminds me of the pathological misogyny of the notorious witch-finders' manual, Malleus Maleficarum.

Let's start with the T-shirts, mugs and stickers at the online "Hillary vilification shop" where images of her as a rat, a mad cow and Medusa are on sale. "Hillary will eat our babies," one message proclaims. "Pillory Hillary 2008," says another, next to an image of Clinton in the stocks. Most sinister of all is "Wanna See Hillary Run? ... Throw Rocks At Her", echoing the barbaric practice of stoning women to death. Take to the airwaves in America, and more bile pours out; the right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh, whose show has 14.5 million listeners, has identified something he called a "testicle lockbox" as an attribute of the New York senator. Is this related, I wonder, to a vagina dentata? Perhaps that's what Clifford May, a former Republican National Committee spokesman, had in mind when he called on Clinton to define herself as "a Vaginal-American".

What are they so afraid of? "There's just something about her that feels castrating, overbearing and scary," declared MSNBC host Tucker Carlson. Scary but pathetic, says Limbaugh: "Will America want to watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?" Clinton is 60, 11 years younger than the Republican candidate John McCain, but ageing "makes men look more authoritative, accomplished and distinguished", according to Limbaugh. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/joan-smith/joan-smith-medusa-bitch-witch-mad-cow-democrat-why-does-america-hate-hillary-clinton-so-much-816122.html
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:54 AM
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1. Put Barbara Jordan or Bella Abzug on a ballot, give me the ballot, and
watch me support them.

Y'all need to get off this Victim Hillary thing.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:56 AM
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4. It's all she has.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:56 AM
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6. That's possible. In any case it's getting old.
Actually it was old to begin with.

Nice kitty-kats, btw.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:22 PM
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78. yes it is getting old
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:57 PM
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84. The "Poor Nell" act still plays in some saloons.
:shrug:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:08 PM
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94. Yep. I can still here that ol' piano in the corner and the gurgling of
beer & shots...


:hi:
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:02 AM
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38. Sorry, OC.
They're both dead. Try again.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:02 AM
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39. Ah, you missed the point.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:03 AM by Old Crusoe
And you missed it by a mile.

And in any case, both are more alive than Hillary Clinton's odds for the presidency.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:42 PM
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75. really. these threads are interesting. obviously there is something
out there that has caused this feeling among all kinds of people. of course, its easy to discount those people as sexist, whatever but they aren't. they are millions and millions of all kinds of people and they would rather eat glass than see her win. maybe the people that ask these questions should look at their own pov and see what they aren't either seeing or are working 24/7 to deny seeing.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:55 AM
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2. Yet another case of playing the "gender card".
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:55 AM
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3. Disgusting sexism, on full display.
It runs deep and wide in America. We should all be ashamed.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:08 PM
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89. Why do you view it as "sexism"? Hillary IS a woman, she is much disliked...
...so when people criticize her, they use derogatory female names.

Would calling McCain a "bastard" or "dick" be sexism? Would calling Joe Lieberman "eunuched" be sexism?

There are certain terms that refer to females and embody entire concepts or pictures. "Bitch" is one of them. To call her a "bastard" or "dick" simply would not make sense.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:56 AM
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5. but just wait. We will have oodles of people post that we are simply nuts for thinking there is
sexism here.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:56 AM
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7. boo hoo. stop your whinging. They fucking want to murder
Obama on Stormfront and countless other sites.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:59 AM
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11. Yep, you can rest assured that privately there are people using racial epithets against Obama.
You'll note that Obama is the only candidate who has to "prove" his patriotism.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:33 AM
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31. Boo hoo indeed. What a load of crapola this post is.
Poor Hillary. She only seeks to destroy the Democratic Party if she can't rule over all.

The brutal truth is this: Hillary Clinton is in this for Hillary Clinton. She is all about Power, and is proving it every day.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:58 AM
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8. A John McCain supporter trying hard to drum up business for
the old crow.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:58 AM
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9. Because....
...she is a lying, insincere, war mongering, corporate loving, phony, egotistical, DINO, right wing PIECE OF SHIT.

I am afraid she might imagine sniper fire again and fucking drop an A bomb on some ME country because she thought they were aiming at her. I am afraid that she will rely on Billy Boy who has to be totally out of touch with reality at this time. I am afraid that she will ass kill her new RW friends like Scaife.

You want her?? Ask the bitch to carpetbag to AZ and to run for McGrandpa's seat, ok?
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:59 AM
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dupe - sorry
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:00 AM by Ninga
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:59 AM
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10. Wisdom and human behavior studies conclude that "people send out invitations with
their behaviors"

Or another way to say it....."You get what you give".

It really is that simple.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:04 AM
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12. what did Matthew Shepard and Lawrence King do to deserve to die?
What about Emmit Till and the four girls in Birmingham? What about the woman Jodie Foster portrayed in the accused? What did the first five do to deserve to die and the last one to be raped?
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:15 AM
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19. Good grief. How did you take THAT leap???? Perhaps I should amend my analysis.
When behaviors such as...

Distain for others.

Superior attitude.

Verbal attacking without provocation.

School yard bully.

Shirking personal responsibility.

Gossiping.

And any other vibes that Sen. Clinton has sent out over her life time, that people instinctively react to in a negative way......is called "getting what you give"..


Please consider the context.





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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:18 AM
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21. I took what you said to its logical conclusion
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:21 AM by dsc
In a thread about clearly sexist attitudes being expressed toward Hillary Clinton you wrote that she caused the sexism being directed toward her and said that studies backed that up. Given the even more intense hatred in my examples the people who were victims of it must have been horridly evil to cause that (under your own theory). So again, just what did those people do to deserve to be killed?

On edit, if you don't like to be confronted by the clear implication of your words, don't type them.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:56 AM
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34. Hillary Clinton sent out an invitation some 15 or 16 years ago.
Hillary Clinton let it be known that she wasn't going to stay home and bake cookies like some little woman who'd "stand by her man like Tammy Wynette."

Hillary's opened her mouth by showing unnecessary and uncalled for disdain for other women. She had been the First Lady of Arkansas, and was no neophyte to the political process. But she was too full of herself to respect other women, nor did she show class with her statements.

Once Hillary laid down the gauntlet, the counter-attacks began, and she continued to undermine herself, and was her own worst enemy with her secretive and arrogant behavior in the White House.


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:01 AM
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nice right wing framing of her remarks
and again, if she caused the sexism, then what did the others do?
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:26 AM
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61. You get what you give. If you open a door, they why be surprised if people walk thru?
Give me a break.

My point is that Hillary wasn't and isn't a virgin or an Innocent bystander, and you know it.

She WAS NOT minding her own business and got attacked out of the blue.

I hate what is happening, and people attacking her and using horrible names is wrong, and I do not condone it.


But to deny, that her behavior does not contribute fuel to the fire thrown by those who do not like her, is being disingenuous.




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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:01 AM
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37. Interesting.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:05 AM by cornermouse
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:10 AM
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15. What an ugly false statement. n-t
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:07 AM
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13. "What are they so afraid of?" A REPUKE in sheep's clothing, who cares more for herself than the US.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:08 AM by NoodleyAppendage
Hillary is (and should be) judged based upon her history. She has NOT shown herself to be trustworthy, truthful, or selfless in the goal of making America a better place for common peoples. She represents entrenched corporate special interests, who are fighting hard against the populism needed to make this country once again a "land of opportunity" for all.

HER SEX HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. She's a horrible person and it wouldn't matter one way or the other whether she was male or female. The bogus sexism charge is raised to obfuscate her problems and record of caring more about corporate interests over the American people.

J
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 AM
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55. "She's a horrible person" More immature name-calling.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:02 AM
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68. Says the one calling Obama a "wimp" and a "chicken".
That must be mature namecalling.

More humor from DU's biggest hypocrite. :crazy:
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:08 PM
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90. yeah, I am contantly amazed that this person gets to run around the DU
shitting all over people just because they're swacked on The Cackler, according to the fucking rules this Hillbot would have been gone long ago, gone WAY beyond defending their candidate..

Wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes when the DU was more of a think tank than Drive By Theater..

I guess there is ignore, but frankly why is this allowed?
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:37 PM
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95. Do me a favor a put me on your ignore list, Rodeodance. I don't give a shit what you say. n/t
J
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:27 PM
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80. Anyone who uses the word "obliterate" about a nation of 70 million scares me.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:09 AM
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14. An important thread for all to read showing the overlooked,socially acceptable repression this woman
recommended.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:13 AM
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17. How about the reason being something other than Sexism?
Everything looks like a nail if all you wield in your life is a hammer. I guess her pro-corporate policies and support of large special interests over the common citizen has nothing to do with some people's dislike of Hillary? Whatever.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:15 AM
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18. Gender slurs from reasons other than sexism ??
I hope you are joking.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:11 AM
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16. Your post raises the specter of the vagina dentata in a way male posters
would be vilified for so doing generally and regarding Sen. Clinton particularly.

I re-read your post here and feel that it is one of the most brainless things I've ever seen.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:18 AM
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20. Simple...the Hilary haters are very loud so people think there
are more of them than there really are.

Oh, and sexism is so ingrained people believe their sexism is SOP.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:21 AM
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24. I find this interesting given that Obama prides himself on understatement
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:23 AM by frickaline
...at least as far as this board is concerned.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:28 AM
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27. He gives the image of 'rising above" the smears--Instead he lets his thugs do the smearing
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:19 AM
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22. "being outspent three-to-one"
2 to 1--keep up.

"I'm not a natural supporter" ???what does that mean?


"Let's start with the T-shirts, mugs and stickers at the online "Hillary vilification shop" where images of her as a rat, a mad cow and Medusa are on sale" ???? why don't you spend you time email THOSE sites instead of posting this here????? and email Limbaugh to complain too---I don't think he posts here. FYI--some people think she is winning BECAUSE of Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.




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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:27 AM
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26. Obama tossed your donations down his toilet in PA
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:51 AM
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33. keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel good...
but he closed up a very large gap -- granted, I wish he'd closed it up more. and gained 73 delegates to her 83 delegates, and kept her from getting the "double digit win" she so desperately needed.

and ya know what? I donated to him the very next day.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:08 AM
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44. Hillary tossed her vaunted 20 pt PA lead down the same toilet. nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:19 AM
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23. I can't tell if some of the posters here are defending
the type of stuff pointed out in the op or not, swear to god. :crazy: Maybe they are just denying it exists?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:22 AM
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25. Many are defending it. Sickening, but I exected it.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:29 AM
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28. I think it started when she had the guts to take on health care

and break out of the docile First Lady model. Much of the ugliness has been around ever since. IMO, it sometimes is and sometimes isn't sexism; the hatred has grown into some kind of national pasttime. Yuck.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:30 AM
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29. For being a "strong" woman...she sure does playthe vicitm card a lot. nt
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:01 AM
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36. the article is from the UK - exactly how is she playing this card?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:24 AM
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60. Excuse me... her supporters areplaying the victim card...
I got caught up for a moment in the double standard. Clinton supporters contribute all actions by ANY Obama supporter as being part of the strategy of the Obama campaign.(IE race memo in SC by a lone Obama supporter, Repuke for a day flier by a lone Obama supporter in NV)

So no this isn't evidence of Clinton playing the race card. I am wrong. However I do feel that there have been times where she has played the victim.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:38 AM
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74. I don't believe in the existance of any such card
This isn't Monopoly, there's no "Chance" or "Community Chest" - either you are a victim or you aren't. Either way it has little to do with politics and more to do with a real problem we face as Americans and even just as Democrats.

Personally I don't believe being a victim is a big incentive for voting. Its outside the the scope of the political discussions, at least for me. I don't plan to vote for the person I feel most sorry for, and I doubt anyone will. In fact you will often see the reverse argument being made, that weaknesses like this make someone unelectable (which I also don't believe but that's another soap-box I won't start in on).

The point of this article as I see it is that we all need to be condemning this type of personal attack, regardless of our own politics. Its simply the right thing to do.

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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:09 PM
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91. And some of her supporters copy the tactic. It is degrading to women and the Dem Party. n/t
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:33 AM
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30. I agree she doesn't deserve that
but she does need to go away.
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canis_lupus Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:39 AM
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32. There are as many reasons as there are "Hillary haters"
Is sexism a part of it? Undoubtedly in some cases.

While I didn't vote for her (or Obama) in the primary, I will vote for the eventual Democratic nominee. That being said, I'm not a big supporter of Hillary due to my disillusionment with her husband. I see the Clintons as opportunists who will not hesitate to toss friends or entire groups under the bus if it means getting their way. Also, I see Hillary as more of a centrist, while I'm at the progressive end of the spectrum. In the long run, my distaste for Hillary has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman and everything to do with her being a Clinton.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:59 AM
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35. America doesn't hate Hillary Clinton.
It's a relatively small clique of deranged Obama fanatics and right wingers/right wing sympathizers who churn out the vitriol.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:12 AM
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48. You been living in a cave the last 20 years?
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:12 AM by bowens43
Next to bush she is the most hated politician in the country. It's relatively small clique of deranged Hillary ass kissers ,fanatics and naive lemmings who believe that she is worthy of the presidency.

America can't stand hillary. They see her for what she is. The woman is the poster chaild for everything that is wrong with politics in America.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 AM
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52. There are meds that can help you.
Please see a physician.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:04 AM
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40. She's a lying, race-baiting, warhawk.
That would be my top 3 reasons.

And they have nothing to do with her gender.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:07 AM
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43. which has nothing at all to do with this article, open your eyes
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:13 AM by frickaline
I don't care how little you might support her candidacy, no female in the world deserves this kind of treatment. Its outrageous and whats worse, theres a dangerous mentality at work here - that sexism against Hillary is acceptable since you don't support her campaign. That's just flat out disgusting.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:19 AM
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59. Fine. Here you go: America hates Hillary because they have always hated Hillary...
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:19 AM by Kristi1696
And will always hate Hillary.

It began in the nineties and persists today. Genesis unknown, it's probably one part sexism to one part just plain not connecting with Americans. Most importantly, the polarization she causes will never cease.

So there's my response to the article. Now I would like to know how a candidate with these negatives could possibly be "more electable".
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:57 AM
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67. now we agree, mostly anyway.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:59 AM by frickaline
I don't consider myself a supporter of either Clinton or Obama, I like and dislike them both for different reasons but I will vote for whichever wins the primary. However, I will fight sexism and racism when I see either rear their ugly heads. Allowing or ignoring sexism for political reasons is something that happens quite frequently here which troubles me when its coming from Democrats. I'm glad to see you aren't in that camp.

That being said, I don't know that I can answer your question, and I'm not even sure its a reasonable thing to ask as a potential voter. You shouldn't vote for the one you find more electable, you should vote for the one you wish to support. IMO this elect-ability argument, which gets a lot of discussion time here, has absolutely no merit, particularly since its pure speculation anyway.



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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:04 AM
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41. And since they do, obviously she can't win. Pretty simple. nt
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:06 AM
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42. They Probably Don't Trust Someone Who Votes For War For Political Gain
I appreciate the whole second-wave feminism thing you're doing, but she would never have found herself vulnerable to Obama if she hadn't been so repeatedly and unapologetically hawkish. Either she believes in that hawkish-ness or she doesn't - either way makes her thoroughly unappealing. If she were Nancy Pelosi, we wouldn't be having these false conversations about sexism.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:08 AM
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45. More important question is: What did Hillary do to deserve such disdain and disbelief?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:13 AM
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49. She earned it.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:13 AM
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51. Bingo!
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 AM
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53. you can earn sexism? what is wrong with you people!
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 AM by frickaline
its the saying that racism is justified so long as theres someone black out there who's political views they don't agree with.

I don't care what your politics are, sexism is just flat out wrong.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:28 AM
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62. See Post #42
Everyone knows Chris "Hardballs" Matthews is a jackass. But Clinton has:

1. Run a thoroughly incompetent campaign.

2. Triangulated on matters of war and peace.

Stop playing the victim card and accept that Clinton SHOULD have been an unstoppable candidate if she hadn't kept stopping herself.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:44 AM
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66. This has nothing to do with her politics and everything to do with an inappropriate response them
...you could take the most politically conservative woman in the world and I would still hold that she deserves the basic human right of respect for her gender.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:14 AM
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71. There are a lot of things people 'deserve' aren't there?
How about that all people deserve not to be the object of personal attacks, rumor and innuendo? How about that the people who are selecting the President of this country deserve to have the campaign focused on issues and not personal attacks, rumor and innuendo?

Those kinds of things, I guess, arent important to Hillary supporters.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:29 AM
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72. So how about you start fighting these injustices? you can start right here with this one.
I am not a Clinton supporter. I am not an Obama supporter. I am a democrat supporter and I won't allow these types of inappropriate personal attacks for political gains no matter where I see them.

Your excuses are hollow and show nothing more than your own political agenda at work at all costs. You should be ashamed that you allow your politics to blind you to sexism but instead you defend sexism with 'he-said-she-said' rhetoric.

Like I have said already, this has nothing to do with politics. I don't care who you support nor why. The point here is to stand up against injustice. There is nothing here that says you cannot support Obama and still reject sexism.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:08 AM
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46. I liked her until this campaign started. Back in Novemeber, I was going to vote for her.
Now, I'm not sure that I can vote for her at all.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:11 AM
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47. A lot of County-level Dems don't want her at the top of the ballot.
They want the White House, certainly, but they also want and need Dem wins at all levels of government in their immediate spheres.

As things stand now, Senator Obama is more likely to deliver those longer coattails than Sen. Clinton.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:13 AM
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50. It's sad. But the RW have made her the poster child of Dem unelectability.
NGU.


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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:17 PM
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92. She has done most the of the harm herself. She has earned the hate. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:15 AM
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54. Come to think of it, IS there a witch-finders manual? I may give a call
to Borders and see if it's in stock.

One can never be too careful.
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:17 AM
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56. Hillary
HRC reminds every man (that has one) of his ex-wife. Besides she is just so unlikable!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:18 AM
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57. Wring Hands at Other Posters on Thread
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:18 AM by Moochy
Decry how far DU has fallen, Impugn random posters, thinly veiled adhominem.

Sorry I'm stuck on "meta" today.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:19 AM
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58. Also by Joan Smith: "Give thanks and praise for John McCain"
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:32 AM
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63. an agnostic neocon? I dont think so, please try reading your article
"It says something about the current state of US politics that the only Presidential candidate who is willing to uphold the separation between church and state is a Republican, and the choice between two supposedly radical politicians who don't appear to understand its importance is no choice at all. The Democrats are letting down millions of people who are secular if not actually agnostic, all of whom have votes even if they make less noise than the religious right. I'm not quite rooting for McCain, but I've had more than enough of Clinton and Obama banging on about their imaginary friends."
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:37 AM
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64. In my view, she is just mean spirited, and mean spirited people brings that same quality out in
other people. You know, the drama, the turmoil, the hate, the ignorance and the divisiveness.

Yep, that's what I want to see in my president.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:41 AM
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65. So, by your reasoning, a meanie weanie black person would deserve racial epithets?
?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:07 AM
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69. Whether she deserves it or not really isn't the point.
The point is that the dislike exists, it's real, and it's polarizing. We can study the why fors of the case until the cows come home but it won't change that perception, deserved or not. :shrug:

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:17 PM
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77. Everybody is different. When I listen to Obama, I don't feel all tied up inside. When I listen to
Hillary, I feel upset and pissed. That's me. You may be different and that is fine.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:54 PM
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83. At least you admit you use him as a drug.
Good for you. Now get on with the next 11 steps.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:20 PM
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93. LOL, never thought of it that way.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:10 AM
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70. I agree with your point of being mean spirited. That's how a lot of people see her (I do too), but
people are blatantly sexist in their comments about her and it is not right. Sexism seems to be less taboo than racism in our country. For instance, one of my daughter's friends had a shirt on that was similar to what goldcanyonz was mentioning. It had a picture of both Obama and Clinton. Beneath it said "Bros before hos". Now, why is that okay?? I don't have an answer. I told my kid that I thought that there were better ways to show support for Obama, she agreed.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:15 PM
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76. I don't think racism or sexism is appropriate in any form; but let's face the facts. When people
are pissed, they usually grab the first thing that comes to their mind to hit you with it. It usually has to do with their percieved differences with the person they are mad at. It's a part of our human imperfection. No, it's not right, but it seems to be the way we treat each other.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:33 AM
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73. Only about half of America doesn't like her. ("Hate" is pretty extreme.)
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:27 PM
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79. Hil is DLC. DLC is not well accepted at DU and never has been.
Hell, progressive Dems never especially liked her before she ever ran for President. Hil is card carrying DLC founder and has been reviled on here for years along with Holy Joe Lieberman (and we ALL know what a good Dem HE is...)

I have zero respect for what Hil stands for (and on a personal level) even less acceptance for some of her decisions. I am not exactly anybody you'd want to call sexist, but I still have zero acceptance for Hil and her DLC bullshit. I don't call her names I call her what she is:

Hil is a DLC cancer on the ass of the Progressive Dems.


Laura
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:43 PM
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81. No hate here.. Just plenty of disdain & disappointment over her slimy tactics
I started out liking her.. I always felt sorry for her and the way Bill treated her. I actually admired her for surviving the public humiliation he put her though...

BUT

after this campaign of hers, I can never "like" her again. She has run a mean and destructive-to-the-party campaign.

Why?

because she screwed up, and refused to admit it to herself. She should have dropped out after losing 11-in-row, and then aligned herself and Bill behind the one who could win..

Had she done that, she would have almost assured herself the 2nd spot, Bill could have repaired his reputation with African Americans, and she and Barack could be taking victory laps and resting up for a sweeping win over mccain...but she just cannot accept the fact that she's not going to get to be Queen Bee. If SHE can't have it, she's going to do everything in her power to destroy him..for what?...For being liked more than her..

She's vindictive, petty and vengeful..

Don't we already have one of those in the White House already? We do NOT need George Bush in a yellow pantsuit.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:48 PM
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82. Limbaugh is a twit.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:59 PM
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85. Yet another attempt to make a sweeping gender assertion out of specific dislike for a person.
The deep dislike for Hillary Clinton is the same deep dislike some feel for Bill Clinton.

Its a disdain for the kind of politics they practice.

That's not implying there aren't a bunch of head-trip-to-the-50s conservative nutbags out there who don't just hate her because she's a woman. But this piece feels like its trying to sweep all strong dislike for her up into that same label, and sorry, but it just doesn't work.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:01 PM
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86. So when one hates Hillary it is simple, but when one hates Obama it is racism
?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:06 PM
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88. I'll answer that, when you find a single post of mine where I've accused any supporter of racism
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:05 PM
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87. The odd thing is....
they think that by launching these ad hominem attacks on her constantly, we will be dissuaded from supporting her. It won't work. The more they attack, the more strongly my feet become planted in her corner.

K.O. sealed the deal for me with his recent threats against her life. Noone is going to take any woman I know into a room alone and make sure she doesn't come back out. Not without some hell to pay.

The constant attacks will only make it harder for the rift to heal, should she lose the nomination battle. In fact... it may not. And that is the real danger to the party. Not the length of the battle.... the crassness of the attacks.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:49 PM
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96. Two other quotes from the article:
"This is sociopathic woman-hating," the feminist author Robin Morgan. "If it were about Jews, we would recognise it instantly as anti-Semitic propaganda; if about race, as KKK poison. Where is our sense of outrage – as citizens, voters, Americans?"

"But this year's race for the White House has undeniably exposed the previously unimaginable degree of misogyny at the heart of American culture. Whoever wins in November, the 2008 election will go down in history as the occasion when lobbyists, pundits and bloggers staged a very public mugging of Hillary Clinton."

And my own thoughts:

Trying to convince bigots that they are bigots is a waste of time and I won't argue with any of them here about it. They don't see it, don't understand and they never will. If you don't see any sexism in this race or on this board, I'd put big bucks on you being one of them. The same goes for anyone not seeing the racism in this primary. It's there and it is playing a role.
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