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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:04 PM
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This is Who Obama Is.
A really solid Daily Kos article about what Obama is all about. I think these two paragraphs sums it up best.


In one of his autobiographies Obama recounts an episode in 1987, when he was a community organizer in Chicago, that crystallized this thinking for him. He had led a group of tenants to confront their landlord about whether he had tested their building for asbestos. Obama felt sympathetic to both the landlord and the tenants, understanding that the landlord was himself strapped for cash and struggling to make his own ends meet. Obama tried to talk with the landlord, tried to understand where he was coming from, instead of getting in his face with confrontation. And eventually a satisfactory resolution was produced.

That has been Obama's way ever since. He believes that there are issues on which we can achieve positive, even progressive outcomes by going over and talking to the people we assume are our enemies. To Obama there is no downside to this action - if they turn us down, well, we're no worse off than before. If they decide to work with us, wonderful. In some cases it can even wrongfoot the opposition by making them look like the uncooperative side, and makes us look like the better folks.




http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/27/11116/9757/121/504321
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:09 PM
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1. Yep, and who in there right mind doesn't want that kind of thinking and...
change from where we are and have been in this country? Why wouldn't one speak to there enemies and try to work a peaceful solution out prior to just attacking them? It beats the hell outta me why not!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:14 PM
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2. "who in there right mind doesn't want that kind of thinking "
Well, they're not in their right mind, but theres a large number of Clinton supporters that want to recreate the same one-sided "my way or the highway" dialog the Republicans forced down our throats the last 8 years, but with Democrats doing the forcing this time.

Why they think emulating the Republican assh*les wont just end up with our country even more divided I cant understand.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:19 PM
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6. Well, why not try the Obama way?
Why not talk to them rationally and civilly in the hopes of achieving some points of consensus. That would have to be done with an open mind and open ears. I agree, the my way or highway approach is quite ineffective, both in general and on some websites.

What have you got to lose?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:21 PM
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8. Im for it, thats why Im an Obama supporter
Confrontation only serves to deadlock our country from dealing with the important issues.

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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:18 PM
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5. Quite a contrast to what we have now...both as pResident, VpResident and S of St.
If Obama wins the GE, we should all prepare for a major earthquake, as that is how it is going to feel when the world jumps up and down with glee.

This administration seems to do whatever they can to NOT negotiate. Condi is a snip who turns her nose up at any suggestions from other leaders, Cheney===well, let's just say he has an evil look to him and hope he stays in his hole, and Shrub threatens to take his ball and go home. How are you going to negotiate with that crew?

How many more months do we have?
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:34 PM
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13. As a canadian, i can tell you the vast majority of this country will be estatic...
when obama becomes president.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:50 PM
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15. Bless you! I feel better knowing that!
Hang in there with us, we'll get it straightened out.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:35 PM
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20. We are working our butts off trying to make that happen
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:15 PM
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3. That is clearly one of his best attributes.
Thanks for sharing this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:17 PM
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4. I respect Obama a great deal because it's much easier to pick a side
than it is to understand the "sides" when you're dealing with upset people. It's much easier to get upset yourself than it is to lay back, and just see what you're looking at.

He sure looks like a grown up to me. :)
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:20 PM
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7. Dailykos?!
:wtf:

Is BarackObama.com shut down?

:shrug:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:21 PM
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9. This would be the sort of thinking, Obama would lead this nation away from
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:25 PM
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10. Well he gets it and his point to 'progressives' is do we want to just
maintain the stalemate or do we want to give him a chance.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:26 PM
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11. Open Letter to a Landlord
No, Obama didn't write this, but it fits the original post......

Open Letter to a Landlord
(V. Reid, Addition lyrics by T. Morris)

Now you can tear a building down
But you can't erase a memory
These houses may look all run down
But they have a value you can't see...

This is my neighborhood
This is where I come from
I call this place my home
You call this place a slum
You wanna run all the people out
This what you're all about
Treat poor people just like trash
Turn around and make big cash

CHORUS: Now you can tear a building down
But you can't erase a memory
These houses may look all run down
But they have a value you can't see

Last month there was a fire
I saw seven children die
You sent flowers to their family
But your sympathy's a lie
Cause every building that you burn
Is more blood money that you earn
We are forced to relocate
From the pain that you create

CHORUS

We lived here for so many years
Now this house is full of fear
For a profit you will take control
Where will all the older people go?
There used to be when kids could play
Without the scourge of drug's decay
Now our kids are living dead
They crack and blow their lives away

CHORUS

You've got to fight
You've got a right
To fight for your neighborhood!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut1H4o_ie8c




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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:29 PM
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12. I need a snappy comeback to the rightwingers who assert
that it is foolish to believe reasonableness and cooperation would be a viable approach to radical Islam.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:17 PM
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16. Radical Islam is just the "bitter" folk of the Mideast
They've had too many years of poverty and despair, and "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them."

In their case, the "people who aren't like them" are us, the religion is particularly aggressive, and the guns are turned in our direction. But the basic dynamic is no different than it is with rural Pennsylvanians. Without the underlying bitterness, going off to be a martyr for some theoretical cause would be far less appealing.

Of course, diehard right-wingers aren't likely to accept that, because they need implacably ruthless enemies to justify their own condition of permanent fear. But the non-diehard ones might just start to get the idea that working to reduce the bitterness quotient is far more effective than upping it further with bombs and invasions.



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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:33 PM
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18. It won't work for the terrorists, but it will work for the other Muslims who sort of support them
that's the main point. Bush and companies are fools acting like hard asses. It plays right into the terrorist hands. The terrorists can't function with out tacit support of the community. They wouldn't have that support if Bush and company didn't make the United States seem like a country of horse asses.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:40 PM
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14. we've seen how agression and confrontation work...
time to give Obama's methods a try.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:20 PM
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17. so his 'strength' is that he will compromis
with republicans? With all due respect, this is what bill Clinton did in the nineties and is demonized for here. Remember his compromises on welfare? Deregulation? Taxes? Clinton did the exact same thing as you are saying Obama will do, and is called a republican for it by the left. How much support do you think President Obama will have when he compromises on Iraq?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:34 PM
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19. Sorry but I have a problem with the concept that compromise and cooperation
are bad words.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:55 PM
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21. take that up with the people who demonize bill Clinton for it
or harry Reid, or nancy pelosi. The fact remains that Obama's base isn't interested in compromises. I personally agree with you that he has been completely open about running from the center, unfortunately, many of his supporters hear what they want to hear.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:07 PM
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22. The base is what wins you the primary
The independent and swing voters will appreciate his ability not to antagonize the other side. While Bill Clinton compromised, he failed to get along with the other side. He made it a battle where compromise was likened to defeat. Bad way of looking at things, in my opinion.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:14 PM
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23. Thanks for the link!
This is exactly what the country needs. We don't need chest-beating, head-butting, completely polarized legislation and nothing ever getting done. We need less bull-headed dogma and more thoughtful consideration and practical solutions. Obama is the perfect leader to set an example at all levels, from local to national issues to international relations.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:38 PM
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24. This is who he is too.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:06 PM
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25. Here is another example........
Getting the Chicago Police Dept. and the city prosecution on board this legislation was no walk in the park.

snip>>>>

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee decided to separate one controversial proposal from the broader package, one that would require videotaping interrogations in murder cases. Police and prosecutors opposed it so much that keeping it in the broader package threatened to sink the whole effort.

The state senator who later took on the task of pushing the proposal to videotape interrogations was Barack Obama.

Obama worked with Democrats, Republicans and especially with police and prosecutors to fashion a bill that all of them could support. By the time it reached the Senate floor, everyone was on board. It passed in a unanimous vote, and is now Illinois law.

How Obama did it reveals a lot about his political style, which is at the core of his appeal. It defines an approach to political problem solving that he vows can change how Washington does business.

snip>>>>>

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/104/story/31759.html
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:24 PM
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26. Obama posted at kos 2 years ago discussing his political philosophy:
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 11:26 PM by milkyway
<snip>

I am not drawing a facile equivalence here between progressive advocacy groups and right-wing advocacy groups. The consequences of their ideas are vastly different. Fighting on behalf of the poor and the vulnerable is not the same as fighting for homophobia and Halliburton. But to the degree that we brook no dissent within the Democratic Party, and demand fealty to the one, "true" progressive vision for the country, we risk the very thoughtfulness and openness to new ideas that are required to move this country forward. When we lash out at those who share our fundamental values because they have not met the criteria of every single item on our progressive "checklist," then we are essentially preventing them from thinking in new ways about problems. We are tying them up in a straightjacket and forcing them into a conversation only with the converted.

Beyond that, by applying such tests, we are hamstringing our ability to build a majority. We won't be able to transform the country with such a polarized electorate. Because the truth of the matter is this: Most of the issues this country faces are hard. They require tough choices, and they require sacrifice. The Bush Administration and the Republican Congress may have made the problems worse, but they won't go away after President Bush is gone. Unless we are open to new ideas, and not just new packaging, we won't change enough hearts and minds to initiate a serious energy or fiscal policy that calls for serious sacrifice. We won't have the popular support to craft a foreign policy that meets the challenges of globalization or terrorism while avoiding isolationism and protecting civil liberties. We certainly won't have a mandate to overhaul a health care policy that overcomes all the entrenched interests that are the legacy of a jerry-rigged health care system. And we won't have the broad political support, or the effective strategies, required to lift large numbers of our fellow citizens out of numbing poverty.

The bottom line is that our job is harder than the conservatives' job. After all, it's easy to articulate a belligerent foreign policy based solely on unilateral military action, a policy that sounds tough and acts dumb; it's harder to craft a foreign policy that's tough and smart. It's easy to dismantle government safety nets; it's harder to transform those safety nets so that they work for people and can be paid for. It's easy to embrace a theological absolutism; it's harder to find the right balance between the legitimate role of faith in our lives and the demands of our civic religion. But that's our job. And I firmly believe that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.

<snip>

My dear friend Paul Simon used to consistently win the votes of much more conservative voters in Southern Illinois because he had mastered the art of "disagreeing without being disagreeable," and they trusted him to tell the truth. Similarly, one of Paul Wellstone's greatest strengths was his ability to deliver a scathing rebuke of the Republicans without ever losing his sense of humor and affability. In fact, I would argue that the most powerful voices of change in the country, from Lincoln to King, have been those who can speak with the utmost conviction about the great issues of the day without ever belittling those who opposed them, and without denying the limits of their own perspectives.

<snip>

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/30/102745/165/500/...

__________

Here is an excellent article from the Chicago Reader in 1995 which discusses Obama's strategy and goals, and how he sees himself foremost as an organizer, empowering people to create change:

<snip>

What makes Obama different from other progressive politicians is that he doesn't just want to create and support progressive programs; he wants to mobilize the people to create their own. He wants to stand politics on its head, empowering citizens by bringing together the churches and businesses and banks, scornful grandmothers and angry young. Mostly he's running to fill a political and moral vacuum. He says he's tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up--at the speaker's rostrum and from the pulpit--and then allowed to dissipate because there's no agenda, no concrete program for change.

<snip>

"In America," Obama says, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."

<snip>

"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them? As an elected public official, for instance, I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer. We would come together to form concrete economic development strategies, take advantage of existing laws and structures, and create bridges and bonds within all sectors of the community. We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions.

<snip>

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/

Barack Obama has been running as Barack Obama. He has remained steadfastly consistent in his political philosophy.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:35 PM
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28. I have to say that it this kind of thoughtful discussion
that has won me over to Obama's side. It's not kool-aide I've drinking, it's a more of an exquisite elixir of reasoned argument married to a pragmatic approach of which our politics has been sorely lacking of late.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:18 PM
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27. He should have just obliterated the bastard -- screw landlords, we don't need 'em
:sarcasm:
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