Just made up my mind, switched from Dean to Clark........

[democraticgator]

I've just come to the conclusion of weeks of internal debate about who I would support for the nomination. I had previously been a complete Deaniac, I even donated to his campaign (which is pretty major for a 21 year old working to puthimself through college). I love Dean's energy and passion and I also credit him because I don't think the attacks against Bush would have been so fierce without his input. I just don't think that he could win the general election with a platform that includes raising taxes (even if it is a good idea), the majority of people would'nt care enough to look into it. So I've switched to my long time number two and I will now really hope for a Clark/Dean ticket to take down the cabal in '04.

[NV1962]

1. Welcome aboard

No Sleep Till November! :)

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

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[MattNC]

5. yea, it's part of our secret plan

:eyes:

[democraticgator]

7. I was a Dean supporter........

and still am, to some extent. I have been signed up for Dean since his webcast announcing his canidacy in Vermont. I dont think you should question my sincerity especially since I said nothing negative about Dean. I think he would make an EXCELLENT president. I just honestly think Clark would give us our best chance for the GE.

[Jack_Dawson]

42. You are a smart young man

and have figured out the obvious. Nice work, and welcome aboard.

[MariaS]

13. That was

a pretty nasty thing to say. Would you have said that if he had switched from Clark To Dean. I seriously doubt it.

[jpgpenn]

15. You should have more respect

for the words of others. :puke:

[Mz Pip]

18. Why is that so

impossible to believe? I know several Clark supporters who switched from Dean (including myself)after Clark announced.

This is hardly all about demoralizing Dean supporters. That's a pretty silly and self absorbed comment to make. It's not all about you.

I'll be happy to support Dean if he's the nominee. Until then, Clark has my vote.

MzPip
:dem:

[pa28]

3. Welcome to DU

:toast:

[Name removed]

4. Deleted message

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[Demobrat]

9. Le them have their fun.

It's all they've got.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

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[Dookus]

35. You basically

called the original poster a liar. That's a no-no. So is calling the mods biased.

[floridaguy]

36. DU staff is incredibly objective and I commend their efforts

Regarding any bias of the DU staff. That is complete crap. I have been, and will continue to be, an avid and sometimes overzealous Clark supporter. I have been warned and even have had some of my posts locked.Although I try, and I encourage all Clark supporters, to follow the rules, every once in awhile, I either get too passionate or ticked off. To claim that the DU staff is biased in favor of Clark is again - a load of crap, a big one.


It seems now that the DLC, almost all commentators, including Carville and Begala who are champions of the Democratic party, are all out to get Dean. Oh I forgot. DU too.

[Tinoire]

93. Amazing. You're on to the DU staff!

A+ :thumbsup:

[tedoll78]

6. Hey..

Welcome to DU!

I've struggled with the Clark-Dean choice, and have gone back and forth over it again and again. Clark is a good choice. I'm just happy to see another person on the side of good!

Cheers!

[jpgpenn]

8. Welcome aboard

:toast:

[Clark4VotingRights]

86. A fine choice.

Thanks and welcome.

[MINEMAN]

10. I wander

if either would choose Hillary as a V.P. and would she accept.

[Jerseycoa]

11. Welcome

To DU and to Clark.

:bounce:

[KaraokeKarlton]

12. www.bushtax.com

www.bushtax.com


Dean won't have any problems with his position on taxes. Clark has never won an election, is untested, has absolutely no domestic experience and domestic issues are heavier on the minds of voters than defense and foreign policy.

[MariaS]

23. My 26 year old Son

Can't find a job and that reflects this crummy economy. Now he informs me he wants to join the Air Force. The longer this thing in Iraq goes on the more it will creep into all of our lives.

[ozone_man]

74. The military industrial complex pendulum swings.

When Reagan was in office, defence spending was outrageous and most tech jobs were in defense/aerospace. Clinton era saw this turn into a civilian tech boom, with the internet a key element. Now we are back in the defence spending again, the internet bubble has popped.

The Air Force might not be a bad option, depends on the circumstances. Bush has chosen (IMO) to ignore domestic job creation to further the right wing global expansion plans. The Air Force budgets are flush with money.

I hope we can turn things around, back to a civilian government, and I think Dean is the one to lead the way.

[lancdem]

25. domestic issues are heavier on the minds of voters than defense and foreig

In this climate, I'm not sure that's true.

[KaraokeKarlton]

33. Well every poll I've seen is showing the economy matters most

and jobs. In fact, I haven't seen a single poll where national security or foreign policy is even in the top three issues American voters are concerned about most. Who has time to worry about national security when they don't have a job, their state and local taxes are skyrocketing, don't have health insurance, can't feed their kids and their children's schools are going down hill and can't afford to send their kids to college and they can't get a pell grant or student loan?

[tnlefty]

28. Thanks for the bushtax link

I think it will be usefull.

[jpgpenn]

29. Let Dean try and push his tax HIKE ...

and then see if you feel the same way.

[bowens43]

63. Most people are in favor of rolling back bushes cuts,

most people were against them they happened.

[TorchTheWitch]

94. not the ones that got a raise in their paychecks

I wasn't crazy about them because they did nothing for me personally. But you better believe there are a LOT of people out there that DID get a cut and it was vital to have that extra money when they can hardly pay their bills. Everyone I know would go ballistic if it was taken back... and they'd have a right to because everyone is on a shoestring budget these days.

[TorchTheWitch]

92. um...

Can we keep any desperation under a dull roar please? And it's seriously wrong to use utterly debunked information to try to wrestle someone back to your camp. Really, that's just low... and damned sad.

[Clark Can WIN]

113. mmmmmmmmmmm so you believe

that a candidate who wants to raise taxes on the middle class will not have a problem?

Can you concede the possibility that you may be wrong?

[goobergunch]

14. See you back in our camp in March

:hi:

[Clark Can WIN]

114. do you think your comment may be construed as arrogant?

Do you understand that this is percieved as a fatal flaw of Dean and his campaign?

[Dookus]

16. welcome

aboard. Put on your asbestos underwear and join the fun!

[lurk_no_more]

17. Welcome to DU

And welcome to the Clark movement for a better America.


” JAFO”

[deminflorida]

19. Welcome Aboard...

Glad to have you...we need all the help we can get...

Where are you from by the way?...

[democraticgator]

21. re: where are you from

Im from boston, but live in gainesville while I am going to UF.

[jpgpenn]

24. Pennsylvania here

[ErasureAcer]

20. Not my candidate...

but I definitely feel Clark is better than Dean.

:thumbsup:

[TeacherCreature]

22. Wow, that's amazing

I just switched from Clark to Dean! I guess we cancel each other out.

[xultar]

30. We're sorry to lose you as a part of the Clark Camp. Dean is

lucky to have you in his corner.

[BootinUp]

46. Ol TeacherCreature was never in Clark's camp

since she's been posting in this forum. This is a little gamesmanship.

[chimpymustgo]

56. Just did a little searching myself.

been "seeing Dean people" for a while...

[xultar]

27. Welcome to DU and to the Clark Camp. Dean is a good guy

he will make a great President some day. He's young and he's got what it takes. We need Clark now though.

Make sure you sign up on CCN at Http:\\www.clark04.com

Again welcome to both DU and the Clark Camp, we are lucky to have you.

[Lurking Dem]

31. Interesting conversation

with a die-hard Republican bigwig the other night. This guy is worth tens of millions, hosts dinners for Senators, etc.

He kept going on and on about how much they LOVED Dean - up to and including donating big bucks to his campaign. Spoke at length about how easy it will be for Georgie to beat him, compared him to Dukakis, acted dismissive and contemptuous.

Every single time I brought up Clark, he ignored it and returned to Dean bashing. He couldn't even TRY and make an argument against him.

KInda shut him up when suggesting that, whoever won the nomination, Strom Thurmond's daughter could join the ticket as VP.

[w13rd0]

38. What is his name?

Shouldn't be hard to look him up on the donors list, especially if it's "big bucks". And since that sort of thing is public record, no privacy is being violated.

[w13rd0]

83. Should I be shocked...

...by the complete lack of response. Sorry, but without naming a name (it's a Republican, who cares about his privacy), I have to file your post as "bullshit ancedotal 'evidence'".

[Lurking Dem]

87. Forgive me

for fucking having a life.

I will not name this man as he employs my husband. The conversation took place. Was he bullshitting me? Quite possibly. Was he unable to even form an argument against Clark. Obviously.

Certainly it is anecdotal evidence. Plenty of it gets conveyed here because we are relating personal experiences. This was mine.

[w13rd0]

107. So what...

...if he is donating, his name is public record. It's not like I'm going to harrass him, I'm going to hit him up for more Dean donations. I don't see what your husbands employment has to do with it. Hell, just give me a zipcode, I can do the rest.

I don't think "HE" is the one that's bullshitting, if I'm not making myself clear...

[Clark Can WIN]

115. so are you openly accusing a fellow DU'er of lying

just to be clear?

Why should or would you reasonably expect another person to betray her spouses trust, endager his job, endanger a portion of her families income AND/OR possibly submit herself to possible legal action................................................................................................................................. just to satisfy YOU? Your request seems a lttle egocentric and shortsighted to me.

Are you this quick to discount personal accounts of Dean supporters or are you just very comfortable with double standards?

[w13rd0]

118. Perhaps you are missing the prime campaign potential for Clark...

...wouldn't it be in Clark's interest to expose this scandal? Come on now, I can definately say that if it came to my attention that, say, X group were funded from GOP seed money, I'd consider that relevant. A failure to be able to provide anything other than a dubious ancedote is good for PR purposes I guess, but if you really wanted to drive nails, wouldn't you want to go the distance? Wouldn't you want to say:
Person X has, thru bundling, contributed Y dollars to the D campaign, and has said "quote Z" concerning candidate D.

I mean, that'd be fairly damning wouldn't it? And not just talk on an anonymous bulletin board. So forgive me for sounding "egotistical and shortsighted" for stating the obvious. And yes, I'm quite skeptical when it comes to media and focus group tested ancedotes. And pardon me for laughing, but what possible legal action could result from the revelation of a name that, by law, is public record?

[Lurking Dem]

127. You don't see it

because you don't know what my husband does for a living.

I'm sorry you don't get it. All I did was relate the conversation. I did not lie about it. Was he lying about donating? Maybe. I can't seem to find Dean's donation records anywhere maybe you can help me with that.

But, whatever. I come across information that I find interesting all the time, whether they are back room conversations on the Hill or boardroom jiving. Obviously, sharing any of that is in no one's interest beyond the anecdotal. But don't fucking accuse me of lying.

[rucky]

32. Either way, you win.

They both RAWK!

[Leilani]

34. Welcome to Clark Territory

Clark is a good & decent man who has an excellent chance of beating Bush.

[crushbush04]

37. One more...

of these crappy statements...I love him...but he is drving me crazy with this stuff. He needs to chill and think about what he is saying to the media. They already take half of what anyone says out of context so why help them? I havent switched yet but... One more is all it might take...

[floridaguy]

39. Welcome aboard from a fellow Gator and Clark supporter

You're not alone, believe me. Every day we welcome more people to the campaign that will take back the White House.

The fact that you're a Gator is a bonus.

Go Clark & Go Gators! (Tough day at the Outback Bowl though)

[elfin]

40. Join the Club

Gave $ to both Dean and Kerry before switching happily to Wes.

Note: My history is not good - supported Tsongas then Mondale and Bradley - then Gore - maybe this time our time has come.

[madfloridian]

41. Are you an ex-Deaniac for Clark?

:shrug:

I see that club mentioned many many many times at the Clark blog. It must be quite large by now.

[OKNancy]

52. Why do you go to the Clark blog?

As you say, you have seen it many, many times. I've never gone to the Dean blog. I have no interest in it. Why do you go to the Clark blog? Do you post?

[Jerseycoa]

55. I don't go to the Dean blog

I can testify the Clark blog is crawling with Dean trolls and I am sure the opposite is true. It's pathetic and juvenile behavior by both sets of supporters.

[madfloridian]

57. No, I read. That is where all the attacks here are coming from.

.

[OKNancy]

60. Well I've never attacked Dean

or any other candidate for that matter, but I bet 90% of the so-called attacks are from 1000+ posters and people who have been here much longer than you.

[madfloridian]

61. No, they are not from them.

The majority have NOW built up post counts.

It really is a moot point now. It really is.

[madfloridian]

43. Are more gators going to come to DU to announce their switch?

Welcome to all gators who are newly switched from Dean to Clark.
Gotta love that Gator country, that swamp land.

I did a google on some forums from the Swamp. Heh heh.

[unfrigginreal]

44. LOL

And just in time to join us here.
Welcome "new" Clark supporter! :hi:

[Hoppin_Mad]

45. Damn ! Why didn't you advise the dean Campaign ?

"I just don't think that he could win the general election with a platform that includes raising taxes '

They probably haven't even considered this ! ;-)

[bitchkitty]

47. It's so cool that

you discovered the Internet and this message board at the same time that you switched from Dean to Clark! Serendipitous, that.

[janx]

73. Yep. Amazing. I just roll around in delight when I

hear stories like that.

[bitchkitty]

126. Some kind of revolution

going on, I suspect. We just better give up! After all, Rove wants Dean so Clark is a better choice. Rove is terrified of Clark. Yup, that's the ticket.

[BootinUp]

48. I can't argue with that

Good thinking! We need your help.

[JPJones]

49. Welcome, Gator

People like you will ensure that Bush gets a one-way ticket to Crawford.

Here are my reasons for supporting Clark.

1) Leadership - We are electing not only a President but also a
Commander-in-Chief. Wes Clark has the vision and experience to lead
our troops, to bring them home, and to repair America's reputation
around the world.

2) Intelligence - Clark, the Rhodes Scholar, impresses me with his
ability to speak extemporaneously. Certainly, he got off to a slow
start, but what was the date of the last Clark gaffe? (And the
skiing and VP comments were not gaffes)

3) Positive message - Wes knows what a failure Bush has been, but he
knows that a pessimistic outlook alienates many voters. Populism
and anger motivate some Democrats, especially when we are out of
power. But it just sounds like crazy talk to your average voter
(Nascar Dad, soccer mom, etc.). Remember, a majority of voters
actually LIKE George Bush. Wes is focused on the future, and this
will pay off in the general election.

4) Domestic policy - Wes Clark's domestic policies are rooted in
common sense. They are moderate and won't break the bank. He will
surely choose a VP who can work with Congress. However, isn't
working with a hostile Congress all about leadership? (See point 1)

5) That intangible quality - JFK had it, Clinton has it, Wes Clark
has it. It's the ability to inspire people and to give us hope.

[Woodstock]

51. Yes, Clark is a very well-qualified candidate

I would not mind if he got the nod.

[Woodstock]

50. OK, but maybe the people are seeing it Dean's way

I can understand how it would seem safe to back Clark, but whether safe is best is up for grabs. Tradition vs. New Democrats is how the Clark vs. Dean race breaks down to me. Nobody would have thought the results below would have been possible a year ago. Both are good men and a vast improvement over Bush.

Latest pollingreport.com:



BTW, I seriously doubt both will team up. So you're not backing Clark/Dean, you're backing Clark/Someone Else.

[Clark4VotingRights]

53. Welcome democraticgator

General Clark is one of the most qualified and brilliant and
caring presidential candidates I've ever seen.
I think he's a great choice.

[Gloria]

54. Welcome! Here is a quote from late historian Stephen E. Ambrose

which appears on the back of Waging Modern War, which I took out from the library:

"General Wesley Clark was the successor, by a little more than half-century, of Dwight Eisenhower as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe. Like Ike, he knew that his ability and earn trust and support would depend on personality. And that would depend, above all, on always telling the truth--or as Eisenhower put it in 1942, to make his word his bond. How he did it is the subject of this fascinating book..."

He's a gift to the Democratic Party. I hope they realize it....

[texasmom]

111. What a great quote!

Thanks for posting it!!

[Lefta Dissenter]

58. You're obviously a brilliant man

with great judgement! :)

Welcome, and DO run over to the Clark04 site and the others mentioned here - you'll learn a lot, and you'll become an even stronger supporter.

Then, if you ever get the chance, meet Wes Clark in person and shake his hand. THAT experience will make you ready to leave college just so you can work to help get Clark elected. (I can't believe I, the mother of a college senior and a freshman, just said that)

Now, why was I so slow to show up to this thread - I missed all of the fun deleted posts! ;)

[madfloridian]

59. Since you are fairly new to DU, Gator, why announce it here?

Was there a special reason for coming to DU to announce your switch?

[NV1962]

64. Yeah, the outrage of giving an opinion!

Instead of providing one's own opinions, convictions and ideas, let's resort to questioning the motives, sincerity and sanity of newcomers, instead!

Sheesh...

[MarkTwain]

65. Yep. Right on the Mark.

:-)

[madfloridian]

67. My motives?

What do you mean by my motives?

I just asked a question. Why would a brand new poster to DU come here to announce that he is switching candidates?

Now that is a fair question. When you imply I have motives, that is evading the issue.

[NV1962]

68. That's a non-sequitur

But, just in case... "Asking a question" = "questioning"

Why, indeed, would a person come here, of all the gazillion places on the Net! Why didn't the new visitor go to FreeRepublic, or the Limbaugh site, or the RNC's! Go figure!

If you're interested in my story... It's here.

Anyway, what's difficult to understand about someone expressing support for a Democrat candidate, here on Democratic Underground?

Just asking...

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

69. Why not go to the candidate's own website?

:shrug:

[NV1962]

72. Sure...

Let's see some leadership by example then.

Seriously, this is getting seriously silly. Let's recap: a new visitor comes in, and gives a personal POV (as opposed to flaming other people's ideas) and is "welcomed" with a hospitality that is rivaled only by the open mindedness of North Korean presidential elections...

No opposition!

Strangely, I haven't been swayed yet by the arguments presented, thus far.

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[madfloridian]

77. Not trying to sway you at all.

I remember a few days not long ago when suddenly there appeared one after the other here posts about switching to Clark. We found the source, they slowe down. It was a little obvious. I was just wondering. Not trying to sway you at all.

[Tinoire]

91. What?!! And lose time "confabing"?! Sacrilege!

It is essential that we don't waste our precious energy preaching to the choir. This is an excellent way to speak with people clearly interested enough to show up to these events and try to woo them. It's not a bad idea for those of us who spend about an hour or more on this site or other Clark sites to branch out, spend some of that time on other sites, try to find the undecideds. I know of democratic underground, and maybe the DNC web site, but maybe people can recommend others: veteran's sites... American Albanian sites... Even local PTA sites... Even if you can convert just one voter, it would be worth more than the time you may spend confabing with other Clarkies.
http://mcmurphysindian.forclark.com/story/2003/12/19/174755/34

The meme of the month is in blue.
The word of the month is in green.

Smells like desperation.

[democraticgator]

108. Negativity will lose us an election............

I cant believe the negativity that was triggered by this simple post. I am not affiliated with the Clark campaign. I just wanted to post this because I finally came to a decision and I wanted to hear some input from like minded people. If you check out my registration I have been a member of DU for a lot longer than Clark has even been mentioned as a candidate. Us democrats, liberals, progressives, and whatever else should work together instead of attacking anyone who they perceive to not be 100% behind their ideal candidate. I for one will donate and volunteer as much as possible to ANY of the dem candidates after the primaries are over.

[democraticgator]

109. Negativity will lose us an election............

I cant believe the negativity that was triggered by this simple post. I am not affiliated with the Clark campaign. I just wanted to post this because I finally came to a decision and I wanted to hear some input from like minded people. If you check out my registration I have been a member of DU for a lot longer than Clark has even been mentioned as a candidate. Us democrats, liberals, progressives, and whatever else should work together instead of attacking anyone who they perceive to not be 100% behind their ideal candidate. I for one will donate and volunteer as much as possible to ANY of the dem candidates after the primaries are over.

[windansea]

110. welcome dgator!

pay no attention to negativity...some people have no manners

:party:

[uhhuh]

117. I support ANY person who is behind a Dem candidate

But I WILL NOT tolerate it when they use the RW tactic of referring to a DEMOCRATIC candidate as a Democrat candidate. They are trying to control the language. Don't help them.

[bitchkitty]

75. OK. let's!

We'll start with you! ;)

Just kidding, honey - but I'm sure you can understand our skepticism.

[NV1962]

84. Of course I can

It's campaign time.

But with the amount of dung that the other side (I mean W's) undoubtedly is getting ready for whoever the nominee will be, I reckon we'd better hone our skills in identifying threats...

And frankly, I don't see stuff like "Hi, I'm new here, and I used to support Candidate X but now I've seen the light in Candidate Y" as one.

Essentially, because that type of sensitivity is the targeted purpose of bait-and-switch campaigns that I've seen applied by W's Dark Side, during the run up to November 2000, with empty self-promoting and "character and integrity" slogans that left half the voters at home and half of the rest asleep enough to end accepting the SCOTUS' appointee.

Yet his time round, no pasarán - I'll support even Lieberman as the nominee.

But that's my .02...

I clearly see and understand your point about skepsis. And yes, I agree that the GOP is mouthwatering at the sorry sight of Lieberman, Kerry, and Gephardt seemingly more obsessed with Dean than about kicking B* out, just as I wince at the sometimes incredible acrimony among "supports" of one candidate or another, here on DU.

That's probably what made me think the line was crossed that separates a healthy skepsis, to which you refer, from unnecessary and unwarranted sarcasm... Which is why I jumped into the fray. We're better than that.

And now I'm bowing out here, myself. :)

(Edited to remove only the most obvious misunderspellings...)

[bowens43]

62. Prepare to be disappointed.

Dean will get the nomination.

[Name removed]

66. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Eric J in MN]

70. Dean should changes his tax position. People don't vote to raise their tax

nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

71. Welcome - glad to have ya.

n/t

[wyldwolf]

76. Deleted message ???

Amazing the amount of Deleted messages in this thread. Anyone remember what they said?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

90. Yes.

[FrenchieCat]

78. Certainly wise beyond your years....

A great switch, if I might say so. Wesley Clark will make an Extraordinary American President!

The following is for you:
(Excerpts from Samantha Power's "A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide":

"Only one voice within the Pentagon regularly dissented: that of Wesley K. Clark. Clark, a decorated Vietnam vet and former Rhodes Scholar, had been the J-5, or director for strategy and planning on the Joint Chiefs, during the Rwanda genocide and for much of the Bosnian war. He had been with Holbrooke in August 1995 when the UN APC had crashed and killed their three colleagues. And he had served as military liaison to the Dayton peace talks and watched Milosevic up close. He urged that the war criminals be arrested immediately, while the parties were still smarting from NATO bombing. Not for the last time, Clark was ignored. Instead of ordering arrests, US and European diplomats continued to rely upon Milosevic to stabilize the situation.... (p.444)

(Italics mine) Later, Clark argued that the refusal to use ground troops "impeded NATO's effectiveness and endangered the lives of Serbian and Albanian civilians.

Clark received no backing from either Defense Secretary William Cohen or the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (Shelton, among others) (p. 455)

"...The man who probably contributed more than any other single individual to Milosevic's battlefield defeat was General Wesley Clark. The NATO bombing campaign succeeded in removing brutal Serb police units from Kosovo, in ensuring the return of 1.3 million Kosovo Albanians, and in securing for Albanians the right of self-governance. Yet in Washington Clark was a pariah. In July 1999 he was curtly informed that he would be replaced as supreme allied commander for Europe. This forced his retirement and ended thirty-four years of distinguished military service. Favoring humanitarian intervention had never been a great career move." (p. 472-473)

For my Pacifist friends who may be opposed to our having bombed in Serbia and Kosovo under any circumstances, I add the following from Power's book:

"Blerim Shala: ' You must understand the value of individual life in Kosovo before the bombing was zero. The Serbs were the owners of our lives, "he says."When you reach that bottom line,you don't care about the consequences...In the mind of ordinary Albanians, it was better to die than to live under Serbia." Given the choice, virtually every Albanian in Kosovo would have preferred to take his or her chances with NATO bombing over business as usual under Milosevic.' "(p.454)

Wesley Clark will make an Extraordinary American President!

[Clark Can WIN]

105. That is beautiful

Oh, what a lovely photo Frenchie!

[uhhuh]

119. That is a great Clark photo

I think Clark would be a great president. One thing bothers me though.I wish there were more posts from Clark supporters that focused less on his military adventures and more on his agenda to improve life here in America. I'm so tired of focusing on how GENERAL Clark bombed people for their own good to remove a murderous dictator. It sounds a little too chimpy to me.

I know that most of Clark's career was in the military, but I am concerned about the devotion to his military record that most Clark supporters keep putting out there. The last thing I concern myself with in a president is his war experience. I would prefer they work hard to stay away from war.

I'm sure that someone will point out that his experiences in war will help him in the sense that he knows the damage it causes and will endeavor to keep us from it, but it just bothers me that his domestic and social agenda gets so little play from Clark supporters. It almost seems like a mirror image of folks that support the chimp for all the "good" he's doing in Iraq.
I've read some of his ideas on domestic policy and I find them well thought out. I hope more of that stuff will be stressed by his supporters.( Still leaning Dean here, but liking Clark a lot.)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

79. Thanks for the input!

:hi:

[mzmolly]

80. LOL

Hey, do you guys have a template that you 'cut and paste' to post this stuff here? I mean the posts are almost the same text ... verbatim. :hi:

"Welcome" to DU...provided your new here. I look forward to your switch *back* to Dean when he wins the primary race.

[FrenchieCat]

81. Holding one's breath

for that long may bring about unhealthy side effects...!

Wesley Clark will make an Extraordinary American President!

[mzmolly]

82. Yeah, he's definately got the Grassroots "DU" thing down

now if he and his supporters would focus on real life campaigning, ya'll might get somewhere? ;)

[goobergunch]

85. LMAO!! (n/t)

[Tinoire]

88. Wow!! Another one come to "woo" us!

All these NEW Clark supporters! How great! One question though? What happened to soooo many of the OLD Clark supporters? An awful LOT of names are no longer appearing... It's all so cyclic, like Rommel and his seemingly endless columns of tanks in Africa but they were just the same tanks going in a circle to astound the natives with the sheer force of the machinery at his disposal.

This is A+ material - Re-cycling at its best!

Clark gets an additional point on my spreadsheet for this!

I think I'll add it under "Environment" with a little asterix for "re-cycling"

I must add that the dedication & the discipline are astounding! Reminds me of my Army days!

It is essential that we don't waste our precious energy preaching to the choir. This is an excellent way to speak with people clearly interested enough to show up to these events and try to woo (:;)them. It's not a bad idea for those of us who spend about an hour or more on this site or other Clark sites to branch out, spend some of that time on other sites, try to find the undecideds. I know of democratic underground, and maybe the DNC web site, but maybe people can recommend others: veteran's sites... American Albanian sites... Even local PTA sites... Even if you can convert just one voter, it would be worth more than the time you may spend confabing with other Clarkies.
http://mcmurphysindian.forclark.com/story/2003/12/19/174755/34

Well here's to that one voter! :toast:

[FrenchieCat]

89. so, so bitter!

and with absolutely no reason.......

What old time posters are you speaking of?

[Tinoire]

96. Bitter? I am absolutely delighted!

I am sincerely delighted becuase this is all a clear sign of desperation but have no fears, I am really enjoying this show!

Which ones? Have no fears, they're not far at all ;)

[slinkerwink]

101. same here, this is exactly why I posted that fake conversion story

[Tinoire]

104. I just caught that a few minutes ago

;) I didn't know who exactly that was and when you edited your post, it was like "Of course! & Bravo!". That was really cute.

[slinkerwink]

106. heh, thanks

:toast: too bad the mods locked it.

[Clark Can WIN]

116. But curiously enough

you have no names.

[BootinUp]

97. If some don't hang around

anymore its probably more to do with the negativity that swirls around here. Probably the same for supporters of other candidates. Although I see many Clark supporters that have been here since the October time frame.

[floridaguy]

112. Greetings from one of the many early Clark supporters!

All of the early Clark supporters are here, plus a plethora of new folks. In fact, the Clark campaign is now a mixed bunch of staunch supporters, many of whom were part of the draft movement, switchover supporters who have come to realize Clark has the ability to unite the Democratic party and win the "general" election, and people who have never participated in politics before.

Being a Clark supporter is a duty and an honor, and I'm glad to be part of this New American Patriotism. It is always a pleasure meeting other Clark supporters, and this is truly democracy at it's finest.

Welcome Democraticgator! Go Clark Go!

[Crunchy Frog]

95. Hi

Welcome to the Clark side. I notice from your profile that you've actually been registered here since July, something that your detractors have apparently failed to notice.

I lurked here for a long time, going through my Dean supporter phase, then transitioning to Clark supporter, all through information that I got here. I had already fully committed to Clark by the time I decided to register, so people will probably be sceptical of my story too.

Anyway, I'm glad you've decided to come out of lurk mode, and hope you will continue to post.:hi:

Edited to add: By the way, I've never seen this kind of scepticism applied to new Dean supporters, at least not since my days of early lurkdom, when, people would often point out that many of the Dean supporters were very new/had low post counts.

[windansea]

100. you too crunchy

like your post!

:yourock:

[Crunchy Frog]

103. Are you

a long time lurker too?:hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

98. Welcome, democraticgator!

Glad to have you on the Clark team! And welcome to DU! :toast:

[Fahrenheit911]

99. Clark/Dean(nt)

[Clark Can WIN]

102. Welcome to the CLARK side..................................

People will tell you that Clark eats baby kittens for breakfast and that he's really and android controlled by the military industrial complex.

Don't believe all the hype. He's actually a terminator built by Aaahnold Schwartzenegger and the GOP 46 years in the future. And he gave up kittens 21 days ago.

[Name removed]

120. Deleted message

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[windansea]

124. thanks for contributing!

:hi:

[TexasSissy]

121. Yes, I think the tax raising thing is a bigger issue than some Dems think.

We all know it's a crock...that the taxes were shifted from federal to state and local level. But the fact is, people don't vote for candidates who are going to raise their taxes.

And besides, the state and local taxes have ALREADY been raised to compensate for loss of federal funds, so we're stuck with the higher taxes already. If we NOW lose the federal tax cuts, it's like being hit with higher taxes twice.

[Cheswick2.0]

122. I just switched from soup to nuts!

:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:

[jpgpenn]

123. watch those nuts ...

on the way out!:hurts:

[MoonRiver]

125. Congratulations on your decision, and welcome aboard!

You've made the best choice. Before Clark entered the race I was a firm Dean supporter, although, even then, I had serious doubts about his electability. Before Dean I was a Kerry supporter and dreamed of a Kerry/Clark ticket. But Kerry blew it, for me at least, with his IWR vote. I'm sorry to say this because I think had Kerry done the right thing Kerry/Clark would have been unstoppable. Clark is on a steamroller now, though, and I'm convinced he can win against bush*, if we Dems just have the sense to nominate him. In terms of his ticket I now believe that Clark/Graham would be dynamite.

Go General Clark!!! :kick: