Hillary campaign intends to keep using the Wright issue....it is a shameful thing to do.

[madfloridian]

I just got to watch Bill Moyers, and I was very impressed by this man. He is a good man who has cared for his pastorate and helped his community.

It is a cheap shot by the Clinton campaign. It is tawdry exploitation of a man and his pastor. It is tasteless. It is exploiting race by trying to embarrass Obama and his church.

In case you don't believe me...here are two quotes from the Clinton campaign leaders.

Harold Ickes Confirms That Wright Is Key Topic In Discussions With Super-Delegates

In an interview with me this morning, senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes confirmed that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a key topic in discussions with uncommitted super-delegates over whether Obama is electable in a general election.

The comments from Ickes, who is Hillary's chief delegate hunter, are to my knowledge the first on-the-record confirmation from a Hillary adviser that the Wright controversy is a subject in conversations between the Hillary campaign and the super-delegates her advisers are trying to win over to Hillary's side.

He seems so proud of that.

And then we have more from my least favorite Floridian lately...Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Clinton campaign tactics

Especially in some of the states that have yet to vote, the Wright affair “is a big vulnerability,” said Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Clinton superdelegate. And “all of this delegate stuff is artificial,” she added, alongside the reality that the party’s nominee must be able to carry big states like hers, where Mrs. Clinton won a disputed victory; Ohio, where she triumphed last month; and Pennsylvania, where she leads in polls

How arrogant, and how cheap and pathetic to attack a fellow Democrat by going after his pastor.

I often look back to 2004, when there was another target of this bunch plus the media. He was also considered an upstart who came along when it was "not his time." It was the holding period for "Hillary's time" in 2008.

I know that target has risen out of and above the ashes to be a party leader. I know that now Obama is the target, and the people most attacking him are his fellow Democrats.

"Target Dean"...and now Target Obama..enough is enough.

They did not go after his pastor, but they went after him for changing churches for activist reasons....a bikepath in Vermont. They went after him because his wife was a doctor who wanted to continue her career instead of following him around the country.

Sometimes journalists seemed bothered by Dean's unconventional campaigning. The fact that Dean's wife Judith Steinberg was not traveling with him became a subplot in the Iowa coverage. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd (1/15/04) wrote that the Deans "seem to be in need of some tips on togetherness and building a healthy political marriage, if that's not an oxymoron. Even by the transcendentally wacky standard for political unions set by Bill and Hillary Clinton, the Deans have an unusual relationship." Calling Steinberg "a ghost in his political career," Dowd suggested that Dean "could use a character witness on the road to vouch for his core values," closing her column with the command: "Physician, heal thy spouse."

They went after him and declared him dead in the water when he said we were no safer with Saddam captured. He told the truth, and the media and his own party ripped him apart.

When Dean remarked that the capture of Saddam Hussein did not make Americans any safer, that was another gaffe for the press, with many reporters insinuating that an antiwar candidacy should close up shop once Hussein was in custody. Reporters were commenting on Dean's downward slide before there was any evidence of it. A December 19 Knight Ridder report led with the bad news: "Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, seeking to regain momentum that he lost after Saddam Hussein's capture, lashed out at his critics Thursday and defended his assertion that the seizure didn't make America safer."

Bill Clinton is making many appearances daily now. He is urging his wife to ratchet up the attacks on Obama. Make them meaner and more intense.

Someone at DU said to me that it was all Obama's fault. It was not his turn. They said he should have waited until Hillary Clinton had her two terms. Many many feel that way. That sense of entitlement is hurting our party.

Cheap, tawdry, and inexcusable.

[anonymous171]

1. Obama, fight back. They won't stop until they are destroyed.

[rodeodance]

2. ha ha--obama folks have said they are out to destroy Hillary.

[anonymous171]

4. If only.

[annie1]

30. Obama's politics of personal destruction. what a hypocrite.

[Window]

47. Hillary is out to destroy Hillary. She doesn't need any help...she's doing just fine.

[LakeSamish706]

3. One of the things thats mores troubling for me is that the Hillary supporters on DU...

don't see an issue with what the Clinton campaign is doing with respect to Rev. Wright.

[madrchsod]

13. why would they?......

he`s a marine,a naval corpsman,helped release a captured pilot, provided cover for billy during his monica problem .he is a well respected religious figure in his community and the religious community across the country.....

clearly the man is the devil reincarnated

[redqueen]

74. It certainly is revealing.

[thunder rising]

5. Hillary's scorched earth tactic. Not even your church is safe.

[madfloridian]

16. Exactly.

It just infuriates me.

[otohara]

65. Well Said

she'll be sorry for going after AA beloved pastor.

[panader0]

6. Flood the media with the photo of Wright and Bill Clinton buddying up

at the white house.

[Saturday]

7. Wright is out doing the media. He's keeping it alive. nt

[madfloridian]

9. What else can he do? They are trying to destroy his reputation.

This is leaving a stain on the Clinton legacy.

[Window]

49. The media has been playing his sound bites for months. He has a right to defend himself.

He refuses to "go to the back of the bus." Good for him.

[Exilednight]

8. It's sad when members of your own party will use attacks that your most despised enemy finds........

to be bad politics. With friends like these who needs enemies?

[madfloridian]

10. More from Wasserman Schultz about the relevance of Wright

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1969

There is a video with John Harwood, in which she states "that the campaign truly believes the Wright controversy is relevant and will use it, that there are many ways to choose a nominee...that we need to look not only at delegates."

[madrchsod]

11. the more she uses it the less it becomes effective

for her and john...

hillary has problems with her own prayer group and an earmark to a religious group in new york city...

the desperation of the clinton campaign is tragic

[futureliveshere]

12. Hillary knows that her links to the "Family" will be problematic. Classic Rovian tactics ....

of accusing your opponent of your own weakness. Now Obama can't or won't really throw it back at her. This is classical Republican tactics. She should be ashamed of herself.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Memo to Hillary: Joe McCarthy is dead and HUAC is out of business.

[cbayer]

15. My experience is that nobody brings up Wright more than

the Obama supporters here at DU.

:rofl:

edited to add: I crack myself up sometimes.

Not to worry. I'm signing off soon for 60 minutes and the Nimitz documentary.

[nichomachus]

17. What is this -- figure skating?

Someone at DU said to me that it was all Obama's fault. It was not his turn.

That's how the highly politicized figure skating racket works. A skater could come out and skate a brilliantly perfect routine -- the best anyone has ever seen -- and if it was not her turn, she would come in third at best. The whole racket is run by a small, incestuous group. They have a list of people whose "turn" it is. And, it doesn't matter how good a skater is, they have to be in the circle of people who will be allowed to win.

[BlueIdaho]

18. Amen!

Great analogy - politics is all about waiting your turn, keeping your place in line, and getting your payback. Just look at how the congress works - now that's old school politics.

[madfloridian]

21. I saved the quote made to me....I realized the person was serious.

Many really do consider this Hillary's year. Obama was supposed to wait.

[JTFrog]

78. That makes the Tonya Harding "kneecapping" scenario even scarier. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

19. The war chick let us know where she stands.

She could also let us know all she can about where Rev. Wright stands.

[RBInMaine]

20. Yet when Bill screwed around on her time and again Hillary had no problem standing by her man.

[Bigleaf]

22. Bill screwed around?

[madrchsod]

23. after tonight i think the issue is dead

i have`t heard the wright interview but from what i have read here it seems he`s put hillary in the "well,well,well" if she decides to pursue the issue....

[ShortnFiery]

24. Bubba Clinton may wish to consider moving his office out of Harlem. He sadly misjudges the insight

of the AA community. They know that "Southern Strategy" and the fact that Hill and Bill are playing it all the way to the Convention. Shame on them! They are not fooling ANYONE. :thumbsdown:

[Mick426]

29. More pandering by Bill. Really shameful.

[madfloridian]

25. I would like to hear how Clinton supporters really feel about the use of this issue

by her campaign.

It should bother people, but no one is saying much.

I watched this man on CNN tonight fighting for his reputation, using the attacks to turn them into something positive.

But the Clinton campaign is feeding the info....how do you feel about that?

[Tinksrival]

26. I just want to take a second..

and thank you for the time and thought you put to your posts. I really look forward to reading them.

[madfloridian]

33. I appreciate that. I feel my temper is showing over this issue.

This is a man of God they are tearing down.

[madfloridian]

27. National Review says Dems are picking on Hillary...the right wing NRO supports her.

I can link to this because it is from the NRO via CBS.

This is so obviously pushing for Hillary that it is stunning.

Dems' Attempt To Be "Fair" Hurts Clinton

Read it and you won't believe it.

[madfloridian]

58. National Review, Murdoch, Scaife....alarmed yet?

Pretty powerful guys defending her .

[Mick426]

28. Hillary Clinton doesn't care about Democrats or America.

A very self-seeking "lady".

[ProSense]

31. It's unbelievable that Hillary tried to destroy Wright's reputation. n/t

[jasmine621]

80. What utter bullshit!!! nt

[Swamp Rat]

32. Meanwhile, her former supporters are learning to clap on 2 and 4.

We're off the plantation now! :D

[madfloridian]

34. LOL Bless you swamprat.

[Swamp Rat]

37. and a k&r for you

and a :hug:

[SeattleGirl]

36. Swampy, I think I love you.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Swamp Rat]

38. :-D

:hug: :loveya:

[ej510]

39. If a member of the party destroys Wright then the DNC

will pay the price. Blacks will stay home in the general.

[PurityOfEssence]

41. Yes, I hear they can't jump, either,

but this isn't any kind of prejudice...

That smacks of some serious cryptoracism; was that intended, or just sloppy vitriol?

Hey, didja know that Hillary's tone-deaf? No, it's true: she made a joke about it when she won a Grammy; she's actually got a great sense of humor, you know.

It's nice to think that one's opponents are all geeky, uncool, subhuman, stupid and unattractive, but it's more a reflection on the hectoring juveniles who revel in such derision. Sadly, much of the discourse these days is about as satisfying as a high school pep rally. It's also nice to see such sneering dismissal get a nice gathering of welcome allies.

[madfloridian]

42. It was from Rev. Wright's great speech tonight. He said it.

It was a brilliant speech, and Swamprat's image refers to it.

The Clinton campaign trying to humiliate a man of God, how do you feel about that?

[PurityOfEssence]

48. A "man of god" is not something superior to a mere mortal

They are not nor should they be immune to analysis of their actions. This is precisely why religion should be kept at a distance from politics: it's monarchic by nature.

I don't know how much they're trying to "humiliate" this man; they're certainly trying to say that he's out of line with the "god damn America" line, and while he's got a point about how we've brought lots of this upon ourselves, saying it is another thing. That's dangerous. Saying it that way was stupid, confrontational and egocentric. Putting aside the fantasy of supernatural magic retribution, the twice-repeated expression of damnation against the country itself in a religious service IS out of line.

I'm tired of religion getting the tax-free blank check as the cosmic trump card. Even many believers don't put up with that crap.

If he expects immunity from criticism when he's being deliberately inflammatory, then he's out of line.

The Clinton Campaign is probably not so much concerned with humiliating him as it is in showing him to be dangerous and to call into question the judgment of those who ally themselves with him. One is judged by the company one keeps.

Call it whatever you will, but I think those in Religion Incorporated need to be held to the same standards as the rest of us serfs.

[madfloridian]

61. The Clintons are using race to win.... there is NO excuse.

Your words mean nothing to me. The image Swamprat made was based on the rhythmic explanation in the speech of Rev. Wright.

The Clintons are using a man of God as a political tool, just as they are using FL and MI.

The Clintons know no shame, and I am sorry I defended him when he was impeached for having a blow job in the oval office. The Republicans were right....he did show disrespect for the country.

I am white, I despise the Clintons for what they are doing.

[Swamp Rat]

43. Why don't you just call me a racist outright.

No need to be passive-aggressive.

[PurityOfEssence]

51. Perhaps you should re-read it

I didn't call you one as a flat-out insult because I don't feel that making one greasy insinuation makes one a total creep, especially in the thick of the fray, but I was hardly shilly-shallying around making the point. Also, to stoop to the dismissive attack mode of labelling someone a racist is unethical except when faced with unvarnished bigotry. Yours was a snide comment done in a fairly humorous way, so I didn't think it warranted the ton of bricks of such a dismissal.

Care to explain yourself on this count?

Stupid people demand that the world be represented in a binary way, and much as I disagree with you, I don't think you're a blockhead, so I responded with a bit of thought.

Not all of her supporters are fools or members of the dreaded "uncool", and the triumphal chanting derision of the true believers wears thin.

If you want others to shed their bigotry, do so yourself. Bigotry is much more tolerated among the traditionally downtrodden, but that doesn't mean that some special dispensation should be given to say that it's not there.

Nobody knows the trouble I've known, either.

[Swamp Rat]

54. castigat ridendo mores

[Swamp Rat]

35. k&r

[madfloridian]

40. This is man of God the Clintons are using for political purposes.

:puke:

[SeattleGirl]

44. Obama did not put the Rev. Wright up to this.

Yes, he referenced Obama, but he was invited to speak by the NAACP, not Barack Obama.

[madfloridian]

45. You think I am criticizing Obama and Wright. I am furious with the Clintons.

Read my post again. I edited the subject line to put the Clintons there, but I don't think you read the OP

[Divine Discontent]

88. good way to put it MF, they'll do ANYTHING for a boost in votes

I really wish Gore and Edwards, and Carter too, would go to her and say we've never seen anything like this - you've got to stop. I guess they figure it's over and she's not going to get the nom anyhow. maybe all this talk about Wright, now, is better so people are use to the framing of it, and personally - I don't think most voters who are young and new to the process really care what his pastor said about the US being a shameful country! The bible attacks govt for being shameful, why can't a reverend?

[madfloridian]

46. Interesting comments by Joseph Wilson and Joe Klein.

A juxtaposition of two views that might surprise. The Wilsons are among the people I used to respect until they sold their souls for their support of Hillary. I feel that same about Larry Johnson, Paul Krugman, Armando at Talk Left...they changed when they started supporting her so strongly.

Anyway the comments:

From Andrew Sullvan's blog:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/pushing-wright.html

"Clinton supporter Joseph Wilson:

Claims of superior intuitive judgment by his campaign and by him are self-evidently disingenuous, especially in light of disclosures about his long associations with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko.

Joe Klein's response:

If her campaign persists in peddling this sort of kamikaze stuff--and make no mistake, this sort of op-ed is usually vetted by the campaign--her judgment should be called into question

Last year, I would have agreed with the Wilson and not Klein. Things are so topsy turvy now.

Two of her campaign people said they were using a man of God to attack their opponent. Why are not more very angry with her?

[burythehatchet]

55. As I have often said, FUCK JOE WILSON, he's a puke just like Hildog.

[madfloridian]

50. McAuliffe weighs in...ok to go after Wright.

This campaign does not see the irony in using a pastor to attack Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352454,00.html

"HANNITY: That's not a shock to everybody. But here's what I want to — I think Bill and Hillary have made a legitimate claim that Barack Obama for the better part of a year has had almost zero scrutiny. I mean — and then when issues involving Reverend Wright, his "friendly" relationship with a guy that blew up the Pentagon and, et cetera, he's complaining, he is whining. I got to be honest. I think your campaign has a real, legitimate, you know, beef with the media.

MCAULIFFE: Well, listen, there's no question. But you know they ran — all these independent groups have come out and said it has been totally biased against Hillary. This is what I love about Hillary. She is not sitting around complaining. She gets out there and she fights every day. Why did we win Pennsylvania? Senator Obama was the leader.

HANNITY: Yes.

...."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."

[democracy1st]

52. K & R

great journal Mad,keep it up

[AdHocSolver]

53. It has become obvious what the Clinton game plan is regarding this election.

The Clintons, in there smarmy, racial attack on Obama, are effectively conceding that Hillary cannot win the nomination. Their attacks on Reverend Wright, there "praising" McCain as being better qualified to be Commander in Chief than Obama, and all the other BACK STABBING tactics she has been using in this campaign point to one conclusion about the aim of the Clinton campaign.

Clinton's aim is to divide the Democratic Party and stir up racism issues among Republicans and independants so as to bring about a McCain victory in November. Then she will jump into the 2012 presidential campaign on an "I told you so" platform.

There are at least two flaws in this line of thinking. First, if she succeeds in electing McCain president by these tactics, she will destroy the Democratic Party making it unable to elect a dog catcher, let alone a President. Second, the economy and the social fabric of this country under another Republican Bush/Cheney-like presidency will be so shattered that the Great Depression of the 1930's will look like a picnic in comparison.

The biggest threat to America in this presidential campaign is Hillary "It-is-my-turn" Clinton. If they cannot fairly win the Democratic nomination, they seem to be quite willing to bring down the Democratic Party, and the country, in flames.

[Vinca]

56. Well said. nt

[Wind Dancer]

67. Excellent summary.

She is using the divide and conquer strategy which is destroying the Democratic Party.

Sigh................

[madfloridian]

69. Agree.

.

[madfloridian]

57. McAuliffe, Ickes, Wasserman Schultz...all 3 admit they are using Wright as issue.

Look what they have done to this man...the media is nuts. Wright is having to defend his honor and his race and his culture....while the campaign of the Clintons is using him to win the WH.

Shame.

[madfloridian]

59. Clinton's pastor backs Rev. Wright

http://www2.nysun.com/article/74027

"WASHINGTON — One of the Democratic presidential candidates has a pastor who opposed both Iraq wars, supports same-sex marriage, opposes the death penalty, and has been a passionate critic of American foreign policy. The clergyman isn't the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Senator Obama's spiritual leader who has become a household name and a campaign issue for his fiery rhetoric, but the Reverend Edward Matthews, a little-known Arkansas preacher who is the closest Senator Clinton has to a pastor of her own.

While Mrs. Clinton says she would have quit Rev. Wright's church, Rev. Matthews expressed sympathy for Rev. Wright in a 35-minute phone interview with The New York Sun.

"We preachers get irresponsible," Rev. Matthews, the former pastor of First United Methodist Church in Little Rock, said yesterday with a laugh. His take on Rev. Wright's now-infamous exclamation, "God Damn America," is that many pastors, himself included, say things "that if we had to say it over again we probably wouldn't say it in the same way."

Rev. Matthews served as pastor of the Little Rock church from 1990 to 1998, overlapping with the final two years that the Clintons lived in Arkansas capital before Bill Clinton became president. First United Methodist remains the only church of which Mrs. Clinton is a member, according to a campaign spokesman, despite the fact that she has not lived in Arkansas for 16 years."

[1trackmindGOP]

60. Husbands can be chosen just like preachers!

Yes everybody ignore what Obama says he stands for and what his beliefs are...he has shown that he intentionally lies to us right? Oh wait, he is not the liar is he, no that is the Clinton's traits...unless someone can show Obama is a habitual liar or has a history of action demonstrating the charges people are inferring on him..then I think they have no case and are smearing him just for political reasons...isn't this the same crap the Republicans pull in 2004...oh wait...I see, the Clinton's have become Republicans, heck they are attacking the party, their co-candidates, the DNC chairman and anybody else who gets in the way of their entitlement. As far as I am concerned they can go the way of Lieberman and Zell Miller....all of which are TRAITORS!

[Vinca]

62. Hillary must be intent on losing EVERY black vote. nt

[Eurobabe]

63. If Obama loses to McInsane in November, you can thank the Clintons. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

64. When Obama loses to McInsane in November, you can thank Pastor Wright.

Why can't BO get him to STFU?

[MethuenProgressive]

66. Silly OP blames BO's ignorant choice of Pastor on the Clintons, gives BO a pass.

Yeah. Bill held the Obama family down while Hillary super-glued them to the pew.

[lolpop4]

68. Glass jawed Obamababies crying again

It's Obama's fault for associating with such an asshole, and he deserves all the political shrapnel thrown at him. Don't blame Clinton for exploiting such a huge weakness. It's politics...sometimes you play rough.

[suzie]

76. Would you suggest that Obama's campaign run ads

with Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Monica, the Arkansas Highway Patrol who served as pimps for Bill Clinton? Footage of Bill lying to us, lying to us again, parsing what 'is' is? Making a speech and not quite managing to apologize--and doing it long distance--not even according the American people the respect of doing it in our own country?

Should the Obama campaign flog Carl Bernstein on every media outlet, talking about the fact that Bill Clinton has been known as a philanderer since before the Clintons were married, throughout the marriage, and speculating if it's still going on?

Because it certainly seems to be Hillary Clinton's fault for associating with such an asshole. I don't think the Republicans will let us forget that should she manage to steal the nomination.

[madfloridian]

70. Still waiting.

For some people to intelligently defend her campaign on this issue.

Not attack me, not attack Obama, defend her use of a man of God as a political wedge.

[madfloridian]

71. Kick because she is now blaming Obama for racism.

I despise her now. I really do.

[redqueen]

75. Same here.

She makes me sick.

[JCMach1]

72. I think the jury is still out on the 'harm the party' issue-

and honestly the Wright thing is a better issue to deal with now... even better if it was last Fall. But all that is speculation.

I have been saying for several months a unity ticket is necessary... even more so today. At this point, I don't care who is at the top of that ticket as long as they win.

[madfloridian]

73. Then put the blame where it belongs....on the use of wedge issues

It is not like you to run scared of media, JC. Hillary is getting no blame here, yet I proved that 3 in her campaign said they were using it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2039

And I don't think I can go with a unity ticket with Hillary on it now. I did not feel that way before, but I see the lies here daily, I live in the middle of the spin.

[NoFederales]

77. The fight IS greater than Obama vs Clinton--it is the future of the Democratic

Party. The Clintonistas elitist DLC/corporatist aristocratic ruling class is working hand in glove with the Republicans to forever inhibit Public intrusion into Government--at which point Constitution, Rule of Law, the Republic will no longer mean anything except for the ruse of lip-service that a retarded Complacent Citizenry needs to hear. The grass-roots efforts of Dean and Obama in broadening participation is being fought viciously by anti-election reformers, the disenfranschisers and fraudulent schemes that help lead to election stealing.

If Obama is muscled out, I believe progressives will lose their voices for good. There will be no national outrage because our "conditioning" will be complete. And dissent may become a very scary proposition. It all sounds so impossibly unreal, so fatiguing--like being caught in an undertow and wondering if there is any hope of rescue?

If the media continues it's unabated assault against progressive issues/candidates, what external alarm clocks are there to wake people up? Have we lost a collective consciousness that can sense the differnce between Lies and Truths? between historical facts and revisionist tales?

NoFederales

[madfloridian]

79. The Clintons have shown the true nature. I do not like it.

They do not care about hurting the party.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

81. NO Rev Wright is hungry for the lime light and is hurting his man Obama

[madfloridian]

83. He is protecting his own reputation which Hillary is using as a wedge issue.

[dailykoff]

82. I'm just glad she's found a girlfriend to share her life with.

All I want is for her to be happy.

[NorthCarolina]

84. I sense desperation in the Hillary camp

eom

[Divine Discontent]

85. screw Cigar-Man and the Wicked-Witch... their massive attacks on Obama, despite...

their PLETHORA of shameful issues and connections, lies and lawsuits, makes me so sick of hearing the word C-L-I-N-T-O-N.

He was an OK president, and at the time appeared better than he was, because he came after vietnam warmongers, the star wars/MX missile actor, and the no new taxes kid.

[Zambero]

86. Geez, so if Hillary's nominated she won't mind Vince Foster 24/7?

The Clintons had to endure the GOP inquisition. So now they are using the same tactics their tormentors did. The end justifies the means. It certainly doesn't reflect very well on their character, aside from the fact that they seem to have mastered the Ken Starr playbook of political character assassination quite well.

[Divine Discontent]

90. and what's gonna be sweet is Obama is STILL gonna beat her w/o doing what she's doing

shame on the Clintons... well, there's no shaming them. But, they SHOULD be so ashamed they hide under rocks by day and run like rats at night for all their shameful acts, lies, lawsuits, and distortions.

[FedoraLV]

87. k & r/nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

89. OK where's that photo of Hillary wrapped in the terrorist flag?

[Perry Logan]

91. I say it would be irresponsible for them NOT to discuss the "Wright issue" with the superdelegates.

If Wright is a real issue, the superdelegates should be free to consider it. If Wright is a bogus issue, the superdelegates can disregard the Clinton camp's arguments. In any case, it's happening mostly behind the scenes, which tends to debunk accusations of tastelessness and exploitation.

[madfloridian]

92. Using a man of God as a political football? I am sad you think it ok.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2039

[wisteria]

93. Why, there isn't much left to this story.

Mr. Wright isn't running for office and he isn't trying to influence Senator Obama or ever trying to change Constitutional law.
You don't have to go back to far on the Re pub side to find all kinds of outspoken evangelicals with a slanted POV who ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE REPUB CANDIDATES AND ARE TRYING TO CHANGE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

[Zambero]

94. The rest of (Hillary's) story

She knows she's toast for '08. She's setting her sights for 2012, but if Obama wins come November that would be a problem since he would run for re-election as incumbent. Solution: Smear Obama now so that he loses to McCain, who would likely be a one-termer anyhow. Then Hillary can make another run in 2012, again trashing any other Democrat who would dare interfere with her victory plans.

[ladym55]

97. Or how about the End Times theologians who have been bopping

in and out of the White House on a regular basis during the Bush Administration? People like Haggee and Tim (Left Behind books) LeHaye. They have input on foreign policy. These folks are in a hurry to bring about Armageddon. :scared:

[FlaGranny]

95. Not at all surprising - Clinton's campaign

is a disgrace. If she should by hook or crook steal the nomination (and I don't discount that), I no longer believe I would vote for her. I don't believe she would choose liberal judges for the supreme court, I don't believe she will do anything for the economy, and I don't believe she will get us out of Iraq. Why did Hillary change me from a supporter, to an on-the-fence supporter, then to a hold-my-nose supporter, and now to I don't think I could vote for her at all non-supporter. Yes, Hillary, you did that to me - all by yourself - well, maybe with some help from your campaign organizers.

[madfloridian]

96. I was not against her at all until she claimed Fl delegates.

And even was tolerant.

Now I am disgusted.