The real reasons Hill is crying and pouting for a 22nd debate..

[TLM]

Here are the cold simple facts.

1: Her campaign is broke, so she can't afford attack ads. She needs another venue to get her slime and mud into the media.

2: She knows if she goes to most media outlets to sling he mud, she may be asked questions she can't answer. Like her begging for Scaife's support and the fact Rush is supporting her campaign.

3: She knows Obama won't hit her back with tabloid crap or try to associate her with Bill's activities... so a debate is a safe platform for her to sling all the mud she can.



So all she is doing is crying and begging for Obama to help her attack him.

[WeDidIt]

1. He ain't falling for it

It's always the way. The person who is about to lose cries and whines for debates.

Such has been the way since television first invaded the body politic.

[anonymous171]

2. Problem: The media still cares what she says.

They're doing what they did to Edwards and Kucinich but in reverse.

[rocktivity]

13. The media still cares what she says because it's good for ratings not democracy

which the people have figured out.

:headbang:
rocknation

[anonymous171]

14. Yep. She's drama incarnate.

[TahitiNut]

23. Melodrama.

:shrug: Poor Nell.

[Skidmore]

18. Good for ratings....and revenue.

All that ad money for keeping a horserace going.

[TLM]

15. The media covers what new crazy attack she makes... like they cover spears

They play crazy because it gets ratings....


However if she does her media like that, she comes off looking bad. Someone will hit her back in a way that Obama won't... like Oberman asking about Scaife. She knows this and isn't taking the risk.... yet oddly i see none of her supporters crying that she's chicken to go on Hardball.

[havocmom]

3. Yep, Hillary wants/needs freebies now

Not good planning. Not presidential timber.

[C_U_L8R]

4. it's the only way she can get tv time

brush that dirt off your shoulder

[babylonsister]

6. The only way she can get TV time?

I had no access to a computer since Thursday, only TV. And trust me; she's getting plenty of exposure, and the talking heads are still wringing their hands over the Wright interview, trying to find something wrong with it, cherrypicking quotes to mesh with their agenda. Clinton's getting plenty of airtime, on the m$m and the r/w pundits, her buddies!

This is telling:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5709329

[C_U_L8R]

28. sorry... "only" was overstating it.

what I meant is that she needs to make up for a lot of lost ad time
(that she can't afford to buy in much weight)

[Exilednight]

5. If I were Obama I would start plowing money in the primary and bury her in spending.................

at this point she's already in debt. Let's see how deep of a hole she will dig. He could out spend her ten to one in the next two primaries.

[rocktivity]

10. He should do in WV and KY what he in PA

Campaign hard enough to get around 40%, which will make it impossible for her to get the 2025 delegates by May 20.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BlooInBloo]

7. 4: Losing people always want more debates.

[davidwparker]

8. 22 debates? Please. What rock has someone been under if they haven't

seen at least 10 debates. The only debate I want to see know if between the Dem nominee and the McCain. The sooner, the better.

[rwheeler31]

9. Who is making her do this? It is humiliating, I thought she was

smarter than that.

[okasha]

11. She wins whether he accepts or refuses.

If he accepts, she wipes the floor with him, as per previous debates.

If he declines, he's running away from debating oh, mommy, that mean ol'girrlll who just won't give me the nomination I'm entitled to 'cause, well, 'cause I'm entitled to it, that's all.

His choices are twit or coward. Twit's probably a better choice than coward, though.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

16. there is nothing cowardly with refusing a debate

This debacle is almost over and he would be wasting his time debating her since anything useful has already been debated, and is better used talking at rallies and town meetings

so I'd change your choices to 'waste of time' or 'proper use of time'

[okasha]

24. Dearie, if he staggered onto the set stinking drunk,

puked on the moderator and belted out "The Bastard King of England," you'd think he'd won the debate.

'Nuf said.

[earthlover]

29. yeah....and if Hillary said she got sniper fire in Tuzla...

....and adopted Republican campaign tactics....you would think that would be fine, since liars and Repukes are OK in the Hillary Corral

[Bodhi BloodWave]

33. Concidering the fact you know nothing about me

thats a rather bold claim of you to make, it is also about as wrong as it can be.

Had he staggered onto the set stinking drunk i would not claim he had won the debate, only way I'd make that claim is if Hillary had acted in an even worse manner(and i simply do not see her doing that, then again i obviously don't see Obama ever doing anything akin to what you wrote :P )

I tend to judge things on their merits not personalities and if Obama acts foolishly i will comment on that he did that, the same goes with Hillary.

[Kool Kitty]

Actually, if one of them did all that,

I would pay to see it.

[Liberal Gramma]

17. I seem to recall that Obama was considered to win a few of those debates

Maybe you use different criteria?

The sense of entitlement is purely on Clinton's side. Another projection from a Clinton supporter.

[TLM]

20. Hillary thinks she's entitled to a 22nd debate....

But that mean old Obama just won't give her the free air time.

[okasha]

25. I seriously doubt Hillary gives a damn about another debate,

since she won the last one decisively. What she wanted was an answer to a have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife question, and he gave it to her.

[TLM]

19. LOL!!!! You can;t win on spin.... Hillary is losing by every measure...

"If he accepts, she wipes the floor with him, as per previous debates."


Wipes the floor with him? If you consider launching baseless attacks and slinging mud to be wiping the floor with him.

If Obama said hillary should reject and disavow Bill's actions and fire him from her campaign because of his sexual harassment of white house employee Monica Lewinski.... would you consider that wiping the floor with Hillary?

Refusing to sink to her disgusting level, is a big reason Obama is beating her.

LOL!!!

'mommy, that mean ol'girrlll"

Oh no wonder you're OK with Bill's sexual harassment of women in his employ.

[okasha]

32. You want ranch or Italian with that word salad?

n/t

[TLM]

42. Well what part specifically did you have a problem understanding.....

I'd be happy to explain it to you in terms you are able to understand.

[TahitiNut]

27. Typical. Use sexist shit to smear and sneer.

Poor Nell.

:nopity:

[Butch350]

30. 11. She wins whether he accepts or refuses.

Shouldn't you being something useful - like sending hillary some money?

[Cha]

12. I hope numer one is true..what, that

$10million won't buy attack ads?

I don't think she gives a shit about number 2..does she give a shit about anything?

She's whining all right and attacking all in the same fetid, hot air breath.

[TLM]

41. I think she is lying about that 10 million....

At least fudging the numbers.


However she was 10 million in debt, so even if 100% true... that brings her back to zero.

A big fat goose egg.

[TheDonkey]

43. that's to pay for her debt

[DesertFlower]

21. i keep wondering when she's going

to shut up. how many times does he have to say "no"?

[pompano]

22. Oh, absolutely....

this is nothing more than "Mudslinging on a Shoestring" or "The frugal Mudslinger" from a reported financially embarrassed Camp Clinton. Um...huh...Oh, Yes indeed.

She can't even whip up a new batch of campaign ads. I think her 3:00 am ads were just warmed over leftovers just re-dubbed with new voice inserts.

[TahitiNut]

26. Want to enrage a narcissist? Ignore her.

:shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

31. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[nichomachus]

34. Why doesn't she just debate herself?

She could make a statement. They could then run a tape of her saying the opposite last year. Then she could explain how she was just tired and misspoke. Then, she could make another statement, and they could run another contradictory tape.

That could be a miniseries.

[TLM]

44. She could do it on the Colbert Report....

Pro-war, pro-nafta, Hillary in a red pantsuit sipping champaign in the rose garden with W vs. Anti-war, anti-nafta Hillary in a blue pantsuit chugging beers and doing shots.

[ccharles000]

35. She is strong and will survive.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

36. And I wish her well. It is an honor to serve the people of New York as their Senator.

[Blue State Bandit]

37. She wants to instigate a fight so she can cry about being "beat up" by Obama.

And he's not falling for it.

[TLM]

45. Exactly..... if he doesn't fight back as dirty as her, she says he's weak....

If he does fight back and beats her, she says he's a bully.


The only way to win her game is not to play.

[psychmommy]

38. whining that obama won't debate me

was her only sound bite today. he is campaigning against mccain and the focus switched to mccain. she is like an annoying little gnat that just won't go away. keeps buzzing in your ear. hillary is soo broke that she won't even lend her campaign money, because the campaign refuses to pay her back. hillary is sooo broke that chelsea and bill have to do the house lights on the campaign trail because vendors won't accept her campaign checks. come on guys give me some hillary is so broke jokes. i can't do this by myself.

[Zavulon]

39. You forgot to add that compared to the treatment Obama got from Stephanopolous,

she was treated with kid gloves. I'd want as many debates as possible if the moderator openly favored me.

[AgadorSparticus]

40. how embarrassingly shameless. ugh. how many times can we go over the same stuff?

jesus, I just CANNOT listen anymore. She drives me nuts.

[Scurrilous]

46. K & R

:thumbsup: