Scalia made a very good point

[bbinacan]

He said he attacked ideas and not people. He also said one can respect a person while disagreeing with their positions.

This is a lesson many here need to learn.

ON EDIT: I can see the point was lost here. I'm attacked because I quoted Scalia. What if this had come from Ginsberg? She agreed with it BTW. There is no hope for civility on GDP. Quite sad really.

[cali]

1. oh, please, please, please

Couldn't you find anyone better to quote than Scalia. He's done and is doing enormous damage to this country. Plenty of decent people have said the same thing.

[bbinacan]

35. It seemed timely

since he was just on 60 Minutes. The source may not be to your liking but the message is spot on. Do you disagree as it applies to GDP?

[Pharaoh]

2. He's still

A douche bag :rofl:

[Exilednight]

3. David Duke believes in white supremacy. Should I respect him as a person? n/t

[WinkyDink]

4. I loathe him, and have no respect for him. What ARE people, but thoughts and actions?

[Skittles]

5. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

SCALIA IS A RIGHTWING BASTARD WHORE WHO HAS NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE OR GOOD IDEAS :puke:

[bbinacan]

10. Did you see the interview?

Ginsberg agreed with what I posted.

[Skittles]

34. I would rather poke out my own eyeballs than watch that bastard n/t

[bbinacan]

37. So you don't want to know

what your adversary is doing?

[Skittles]

38. I know everything I need to know about Scalia

I periodically read the Supreme Court opinions online

[bbinacan]

42. Good Grief.

I'm not an advocate for Scalia. I'm just using his words to promote a little civility. I give up. With all the knee-jerk reactions on GDP, I'm surprised anyone has an intact jaw.

[Buzz Clik]

6. True. Proper discourse involves challenging (not attacking) ideas.

However, in my opinion, Scalia's ideas and principles make him unqualified for the Supreme Court. His narrow-mindedness and his temperament (my ideas are correct, and yours are wrong) is hardly what we expect from the USSC.

[bbinacan]

27. I don't know about that.

Wouldn't you expect Ginsberg to have the same "my ideas are correct, and yours are wrong" approach?

[Buzz Clik]

39. No.

[dansolo]

7. Except when he flip-flops for his own convenience

Scalia was rabidly pro-states-rights, until Gore v. Bush. He is scum.

[searchingforlight]

8. I could forgive him anything but the one thing he really didn't want to talk about.

Bush/Gore. He may be brilliant but a person is an idiot if he can't see how his past effects his thinking and if he has the hubris to think he way is the way.

[baldguy]

9. When he appointed Bush he wasn't attacking an idea - he was attacking the Constitution.

He was attacking America. He was attacking me.

[bbinacan]

11. And what was the vote?

7-2 I believe.

[newmajority]

13. No, the vote was 5-4

And all 5 were appointed by Presidents who owed their careers to the Bush Crime Family.

[baldguy]

14. And Scalia's son worked on the Bush campaign.

At the very least he should have recused himself.

[chapel hill dem]

19. Here is the wikipedia link to the case. Note the bias warning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

Conclusion

Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the Supreme Court decided by a 7-2 vote that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional. Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were seemingly applied to the recount from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the Court held, by a 5-4 vote, that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining. The per curiam opinion stated that its applicability was "limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."

[bbinacan]

21. It was both

7-2 and 5-4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v_Gore

[AZ Criminal JD]

41. The vote was 7-2.

Seven members of the court agreed the actions of the Florida court were unconstitutional. Five members of the court felt there was no time to do anything else under the law.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

what a smirky faced contemptuous bastard he is x(

[Exilednight]

16. I always hated that saying. A broken clock is never right, it's stuck and shows no forward progress

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. ok, bad analogy...hate the idea, not the person AND

Scalia is still a contemptous smirky faced bastard

[Upton]

15. You actually watched that crap?

When I saw he was coming on 60 minutes, I changed the channel.

[bbinacan]

17. I think it's wise

to know what your adversary is saying. Don't you?

[Upton]

30. Scalia's been on the Court for over 20 years

that's more than enough time to know what he stands for.

[JackBeck]

18. So you support Bush, the bumbling, humorous, man?

Just not his policies, right?

I hear he's quite funny and approachable on a one-on-one basis.

[bbinacan]

23. WTF are you talking about?

How did you come to this conclusion? My point is that there needs to be more civility on GD:P. I guess that was too much to hope for.

[JackBeck]

28. Well, if you're referring to GDP, then I would agree.

But if you were to apply this line of thinking to politics, which Scalia was doing, you'd have to extend that respect to Bush, the individual.

Personally, I found the whole interview to be disingenuous and a lame attempt at trying to establish a positive spin on Scalia's legacy.

[bbinacan]

32. I am referring to GDP. n/t

[Dhalgren]

48. So do you hold Ginsberg (one of yours) in contempt

for agreeing with Scalia and even saying she liked him very much and considers him a "close" friend? She was very positive about Scalia...

[JackBeck]

52. One of mine or one of ours?

While I would politically align myself a lot closer to some of Ginsburg's Supreme Court decisions, I think the camaraderie in the higher echelons of our government is something we may never understand, due to the minimal amount of people with which they socialize both professionally and personally. I guess this wouldn't be a good time to bring up duck hunting and Cheney?

Hypothetically, to place a finer hue on my point, if a friend was throwing a party and told me that Justice Ginsburg would be attending, I wouldn't turn down that invitation just because she considers Justice Scalia a friend. Conversely, if that same friend threw a party and told me that Justice Scalia would be in attendance, I'd pass on that invitation to stay home and blow my husband.

[Dhalgren]

54. I understand your position completely.

And, I have to say, that your husband is one lucky individual!

:hi:


(Oh, p.s., that "yours" thing was a "Republican=theirs/Democrat=yours" kind of thing.)

[depakid]

20. That's a TERRIBLE point- and illustrates a LOT of what's wrong with America

People need to be held RESPONSIBLE and ACCOUNTABLE for reprehensible opinions and ideas.

Yet instead of that, I'm hearing that it's OK for some to sit and pretend that the person sitting beside you is a "decent person" -even though they support torture and would imprison you or your family- without due process- without a second thought?

Wow.

[Oilwellian]

24. Uh huh

There's a saying going around tonight...."stuck on stupid."

[0007]

25. Scalia is a fat dick head, an insipid wanker.

My God man do you know how painful that fucking quote is?

[ProSense]

26. You mean the guy who put the asshole in the WH who started the war that killed a million people?

Scalia is a asshole.

[indepat]

29. Scalia needs to learn the lessons of this nation's founding principles and its Constitution and

make constitutional, rather than ideological, rulings, or shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of this country and settle somewhere more befitting his, IMO, un-American ideology. :D

[bbinacan]

44. Did you see the interview? n/t

[indepat]

53. Too much of it

:D

[rateyes]

31. He didn't make any better point than the one

on his head. He's a fundamentalist jurist, piece of shit, who talks out of both sides of his ass.

[melody]

33. Lots of monsters have said the occasional intelligent thing n/t

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

36. OMG, Using Scalia to make a point...He is the poster child of why a dem, any dem

needs to win in Nov.

[guyanakoolaid]

40. He only attacks the ideas of "liberty", "truth", and "justice"... not people

Not me, you fucking fat worthless corrupt soulless piece of shit.

[Condem]

43. Isn't this post an oxymoron?

[bbinacan]

45. No.

Did you bother to read the OP?

[apocalypsehow]

47. Someone needs a dictionary for Christmas. n/t.

[Condem]

49. Scalia? Good Point?

Same sentence? You're right. That's not an oxymoron, that's a logical impossibility.

[apocalypsehow]

50. As I said, ask your parents to get you a nice, shiny new Oxford unabridged for Christmas.

They come in handy.

[Condem]

51. Yeah , so you can use it, apocalypse.

[apocalypsehow]

46. The irony seems to be lost on those attacking you.

That's GD: P for you these days: attack, attack, attack, taking time off only for a little leisurely slash & burn from time to time.

For what it's worth, I understood your point, and agree with you.

[bbinacan]

55. Thanks a lot. n/t