I refuse to yap about a unity ticket because it's fucking stupid.

[lojasmo]

Obama would be foolish to choose Clinton. Clinton will not get the nomination.

Discuss.

[terrell9584]

1. He has to be more gracious to her

Than her supporters here are. She has a large following, half of the party apparently, and the half of the party that is more likely to split their ticket, and Clinton would make a good V.P pick, if not least because it would help improve the image of Obama amongst those who are skeptical. If he gave Clinton the VP nod, it would enhance his image because he would clearly appear to be someone of integrity. At the very least, she should be offered a cabinet post.

[msongs]

4. you better hope Obama is not like his alleged "supporters" on Du nt

[lojasmo]

6. He has been.

I'm not beholden to coddle her and her warmongering bullshit.

[CakeGrrl]

9. He HAS been gracious. She still doesn't deserve a VP spot.

She has poisoned the well.

She has tried to smear Obama's character while being hypocritical about her own past (Wright and Ayers need to be examined, but never mind her husband getting support from Wright and never mind her early days in support of activist groups).

She has tried to ridicule Obama's message, then borrows his campaign's strategies when her campaign sees they've been outmatched.

She has uplifted the Republican candidate by minimizing her "fellow Democrat" Obama by comparison.

She has adopted a NeoCon war stance - "obliterate" Iran - to pander to those who want "toughness".

She has cozied up to the Right Wing for sympathetic media coverage.

Her campaign has adopted Right Wing strategies that have been received positively by the likes of Karl Rove.

Obama has been too gracious to her already. He could've hit her on her blatant and repeated Bosnia lie, her NAFTA support that cost jobs she's claiming to want to save in PA and OH, her refusal to outright release Mark Penn as a paying consultant despite his Colombia connections, and it goes on. But he's taken the high road with her.

She does not deserve to be a step away from the Presidency, knowing the lengths she (and Bill) are willing to go to try to regain power. Obama has every right to give back as good as he got, but he's better than that.

Her tactics should not be rewarded with a VP spot given the harm she's doing to Obama and the Democratic Party.

As for her supporters, it comes down to the choice that several high-level Clinton camp defectors have publicly made: whether they place the welfare of the country above their fealty to Clinton.

[book_worm]

17. he has been gracious to her, she's the one who has endorsed McCain over Obama

as commander-in-chief. He continually calls her a "worthy opponent" and "tenacious campaigner".

[NanceGreggs]

19. Hate to burst your bubble, but ...

... after Hillary's behaviour over the past few months, Obama would NOT be perceived as being "someone of integrity" for adding someone of no integrity to his ticket.

When you're on the way to the presidency, the smart thing to do is grab a kite - not an anchor.

[babylonsister]

2. Ain't gonna happen. nt

[anonymous171]

3. OK-Someone please explain to me why having Hillary as VP will kill Obama in the GE?

[lojasmo]

5. I think she's terribly polarizing.

Also, her vote for the IWR is a killer to his anti-IW credentials, especially given that he has tagged her for her vote (rightfully so) pretty relentlessly.

[Liberal Gramma]

7. Because it will energize the Republican base

They have been drooling for years over the chance to run against Clinton. They are not that excited about their own candidate, and that apathy is exactly what we want to see.

[beezlebum]

12. i can't do that right now, but

i can say that my husband is a republican, and my republican husband is behind obama, sorta, and i had a hard time even convincing him to vote.

his choices had been 1) Edwards (which shocked me enough) 2) Obama 3) McCain (i know i know) and hillary is satan. he would not vote for obama if hillary were on the ticket.

he does not follow politics closely and gets annoyed when i talk about it or even so much as spend time on DU, but one thing he does know is that he could never vote for a clinton: his (extended) family is from arkansas, and the first time i met them at age 17 up in rural bradley county, they broke out the "foster docs" and "educated" me on the clinton "mafiosa" family. at the time i was a SOLID clinton supporter, and had they known this would have immediately ostracized me. i let them spend the weekend visit bashing the people who (again, at the time) were my heroes out of politeness as they clearly did not wish to engage in debate.

granted, this is just my one person ("i know a guy who..."), but...Please don't make my husband vote for mccain!!1!

[CakeGrrl]

15. See my response #9

Obama doesn't need to carry the baggage of Hillary's lies and her contradictory stance on NAFTA and her non-Democratic "obliterate" stance on Iran. He has enough decency not to go there with a fellow Democrat and attack her on those issues and the distractions of all past Clinton scandals and peccadilloes, but McCain won't have any such constraint.

[cascadiance]

18. I think having her as running mate is an even greater threat than LBJ was to JFK!

and something even worse than what happened to JFK might happened to Obama if we don't have decent SS protection with her second on the ticket.

So to answer your question, it LITERALLY might kill him in the GE or thereafter!

[nichomachus]

20. It won't necessarily, but it will sink his presidency

Can you imagine trying to run an administration with the ambitious duo -- Bill and Hillary -- rummaging around the White House, plotting behind your back. Ack!

It would be like the intrigues of the Borgias and the Medicis all wrapped up together.

[backscatter712]

24. Axelrod said it best

"There are going to be no assholes in this campaign."

[grantcart]

8. but you didn't have 15 citations and didn't quote somebody famous

no pretentions no clap trap just stating a painfully obvious fact

[Snarkoleptic]

10. k&r

[Coexist]

11. no discussion necessary, I agree.

[ccharles000]

13. I hope if he is the nominee that she is vp.

[flvegan]

14. But, it buys into the WWE "mindset"

that two folks could pound each other to death, yet...*find* something that unifies them and makes them incredible tag-team partners.

Sad, as the WWE is fixed. Oh, wait...

[Cha]

16. hilary(snipers) has already swiftboated herself

and burned her bridges. Anyone thinking she should be on the 2nd spot is as delusional as hilarystrangebomb.

<snip>

"It's a story that the American media totally ignored. Our wonderful "independent" reporters collectively decided last week that it simply wasn't news that Hillary revealed she'd be nuking Iran if they attacked Israel, and that it wasn't news that she'd like to extend the US nuclear umbrella to Israel's neighbors. That means we'd be nuking Iran if they attacked Jordan, Egypt, maybe even Saudi Arabia. Show of hands: How many Americans are willing to start a nuclear war for the Saudis?

Well, it seems even the Saudis aren't too keen on the idea. They criticized Hillary this week, we learn via a Boston Globe editorial entitled "Hillary Strangelove" (the Globe is one of the few American papers to even write about this issue). They said she was as stupid as Bush: The Saudi paper called Clinton's nuclear threat "the foreign politics of the madhouse," saying, "it demonstrates the same doltish ignorance that has distinguished Bush's foreign relations."

More..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5708629

[Zavulon]

21. She doesn't deserve a goddamned thing other than her Senate seat, and I hope she loses that ASAP.

She does not deserve a VP slot or a cabinet post. Her IWR vote, her refusal to admit it was a mistake and her absolute inability to tell the truth make me want her out of politics as soon as it can happen.

She should be bounced out of her Senate seat for her fake tears alone, just on general principle. Too bad there's no legal precedent for it.

If he placates her in any way, my support for him will be reduced to my vote only.

[Seabiscuit]

22. I don't think these two like each other so I don't see a unity ticket anymore. However, I do see

Obama or Clinton helping to get the nominee elected in anyway they can so I see support that way but not on the same ticket.

[hfojvt]

23. How about if one yops about a unity ticket?

Yop!...Yop.....Yop............yop.......................yop


edit: an idea is an idea, no matter how small