Only about 100 rally in Orlando about delegates...and to threaten they may vote Republican.

[madfloridian]

In the video, one threatens consequences for the party, another says he might vote Republican. These rallies are being planned by the Clinton campaign throughout Florida to attack the DNC and threaten to vote for McCain.

Grass Roots Effort Fights For Florida Delegates

I really hate any group that does not disclose themselves fully being called grassroots.

ORLANDO -- Over 100 voters rallied in Orlando Saturday morning to show the Democratic National Committee they want action on seating Florida delegates.

"Our hope is that our voice will be heard among those who make the decisions in our party. This is about democracy. This is about counting every vote and not disenfranchising Florida voters," said Jessy Hamilton, of the organization Florida Demands Representation

..""The general feeling is if our votes are not counted and our delegates are not seated, there could be severe repurcussions for the Democratic party in this state," Hamilton said.

Hamilton said Democratic leaders should be worried how their decisions will affect the young voting population..

"It's the type of thing that tempts me to be more apathetic in the general election," said Thomas Fincannon

Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Fincannon might vote for McCain to spite the party.

Loverly.

Here is more about the Florida rallies.

''This has to do with our civil rights,'' said Millie Herrera, a potential Clinton convention delegate and the president of the Hispanic Democratic Caucus of Florida. ``No one has the right to invalidate our votes.''

A couple of guys are going to take the case to the Supreme Court, even though they joke and seem unsure of their lawsuit. Seems like a joke to them.

Steinberg and DiMaio acknowledge with a grin that their reverse racism accusation will ruffle feathers, but hope the conservative judiciary will be delighted to strike a blow against affirmative action and rule in their favor. Their only objective, they claim, is to see all of Florida's delegates seated based on the January 31st primary election.

It's a mess here. Hillary is igniting the anger. That is not good.

[anonymous171]

1. Obama, put her down.

[roguevalley]

33. from your lips to God's ear

[aquarius dawning]

39. He wishes he could.

[madfloridian]

2. Be sure to watch the video, they sound rather whiny.

.

[Independent-Voter]

20. They should be bitching out their STATE REPRESENTATIVES for fucking this up

Go figure - more dumbass Hillary supporters spouting off.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Bingo!

[Cha]

47. If they had a clue they might or

not. Maybe they're paid to whine for a lie?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

63. *Ahem* The state representatives aren't the ones who are advocating my vote not be counted

So why should I be complaining to them?

[L0oniX]

68. Yea and notice that Hillary supporters will vote for McSenile as the alternative...

which shows just how close to the repukes they are.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

57. proves they are DINOS and that Hillary = McSame

they push the same crap and they both campaign against Obama

[GarbagemanLB]

3. Looks like a riveting and fiery protest gathering.

[DJ13]

4. When a member of our party tries to undermine the party

She no longer deserves to be in our party.

[mac2]

5. I don't blame them for being angry.

After two fraudulent elections and then losing their voice why not? I heard a Michigan man just as angry about it.

I doubt it was a ploy by any candidate. It is a real anger from the voters.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. No one doubts their anger...I just think it should be aimed at the right people: The FLORIDA legisla

ture and the Democrats WHO VOTED TO MOVE UP THE DATE.

[madfloridian]

7. No, it is being done by the Hillary campaign.

I have posted about it before.

[SwampG8r]

30. yup

in the video hillary signs are heavily displayed

1/2 the pledged but all the supers?
sounds more like they want to make sure the florida delegation is packed with DLC members
than anything else
why seat the supers when THEY are the same ones who screwed it up to start with?

[VeraAgnes]

8. I expected the Florida

DEMOCRATS to vote republican since Howard Dean is denying them their voting rights. I support massive revolt on a daily basis.

How arrogant of Dean to enforce such a juvenile rule to apply to tax paying America adults! He treats the Florida voters like unreasonable children!

Yes, protest daily I say!

[madfloridian]

9. LOL

Okay. Hillary has done a great job of propaganda. Propaganda works very well. Just wash, rinse, repeat every day...propaganda works.

[anonymous171]

11. Their state leaders ARE unreasonable children.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. putting the "DUH" in Floriduh? Clinton advisor Ickes voted FOR the sanctions on FL and MI

its a shame that Clintons are able to confuse some people on this.

Thankfully, the Super Delegates are not morons.

[melody]

24. The miracle of Rove politics - you can have blood dripping from your hands and still play innocent

It's amazing, isn't it?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. yes, Hillary voted for an illegal war

and yes she did.

[melody]

40. You bet she did n/t

[SwampG8r]

31. the florida supers are

morons for the DLC and hillypoo

[SoCalDem]

14. How ARROGANT of Nelson and the elected dems in Florida

to try and CHEAT..and then get pissed off when they get caught :rofl:

How utterly republican of them :)

[catgirl]

15. Time to vote out the state "leaders"

That's the best answer to their dirty tactics.

[gal]

27. Dean is just following the rules the committees have set.

Hillary Clinton also signed a plege to honor those rules, another words stating that the votes would not count. Where is your anger at her?

[stillcool]

29. How much power do you think Howard Dean has?

How Arrogant of you to hold Howard Dean responsible for the rules voted on by the entire Democratic National Committee in August of 2006. How arrogant of you to blame Howard Dean for the Democratic National Committee's vote to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates.

Florida Dems defy Dean on primary date
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 06/12/07 07:58 PM
Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), is trapped in a high-stakes game of chicken with party leaders in Florida.
They warned him yesterday not to “disenfranchise” state voters and risk being blamed for a debacle on the scale of the 2000 recount.

The warning comes amid alarm over a decision Sunday by state Democratic leaders to embrace Jan. 29 as the primary date. They are defying DNC headquarters and daring it to follow through on its threat to disqualify electors selected in the primary and punish candidates who campaign there.

But the DNC is not backing down. The committee bought time with a statement late yesterday saying, “The DNC will enforce the rules as passed by its 447 members in Aug. 2006. Until the Florida State Democratic Party formally submits its plan and we’ve had the opportunity to review that submission, we will not speculate further.”

Dean does not, in any case, have the power to waive party rules, a DNC spokeswoman said. The entire committee would have to vote again to do that.
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Carol Fowler, chairwoman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, said she won’t move that state’s primary, scheduled for Feb. 2, unless the national committee allows her. “I’m going to do what the DNC tells me to,” Fowler said. “I’m not willing to violate the rules. The penalties are too stiff.”


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/florida-dems-defy-dean-on-primary-date-2007-06-12.html

Posted: August 27, 2007, 6:05 PM ET
DNC Moves to Stop Primary Frontloading
The Democratic National Committee moved over the weekend to penalize Florida for moving up its primary date to Jan. 29 -- a violation of DNC rules that prohibit states from holding nominating polls before Feb. 5. The committee said the Sunshine State would be stripped of its delegation at the party's National Convention in 2008 if the state does not reschedule its primary in the next 30 days.

As the nation's fourth-most-populous state, Florida has 210 delegates and has played a major role in recent presidential elections. Florida's decision to advance its primary follows the increasing trend of states pushing up their contests in order to gain relevance in the election.
"Rules are rules. California abided by them, and Florida should, as well. To ignore them would open the door to chaos," said Garry Shays, a DNC member from California. California -- with its 441 delegates -- moved its primary to Feb. 5, along with more than a dozen other states.
-----------------------------------------

The DNC gave Florida the option of holding a Jan. 29 contest but with nonbinding results, and the delegates would be awarded at a later official date.

Florida Democratic Committee Chairwoman Karen Thurman said this option would be expensive -- as much as $8 million -- and potentially undoable. Another option would be to challenge the ruling in court.

"We do represent, standing here, a lot of Democrats in the state of Florida -- over 4 million," Thurman said, according to the New York Times. "This is emotional for Florida. And it should be."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/politics/july-dec07/florida_08-27.html

Lawmakers in US state Michigan approve moving presidential primary to January despite rules
The Associated Press
Published: August 30, 2007

LANSING, Michigan: Michigan lawmakers have approved moving the state's U.S. presidential nomination contests to January, three weeks earlier than party rules allow, as states continue to challenge the traditional primary election calendar to gain influence in the race.

Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm is expected to sign the bill passed Thursday that would move the contest to Jan. 15, but approval of the switch is far from certain. A disagreement among state Democratic leaders over whether to hold a traditional ballot vote or a more restricted caucus is complicating final action.

If the date moves up, Michigan Democrats risk losing all their national convention delegates, while Republicans risk losing half.
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"We understand that we're violating the rules, but it wasn't by choice," Michigan Republican Chairman Saul Anuzis said, noting that state Democrats first proposed moving the date to Jan. 15.
"We're going to ask for forgiveness and we think ... we will get forgiveness."
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Florida Democrats decided to move their state's primary to Jan. 29. The national party has said it will strip Florida of its presidential convention delegates unless it decides within the next few weeks to move the vote to a later date.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/31/america/NA-POL-US-Primary-Scramble.php?WT.mc_id=rssap_america

Published: Monday, September 24, 2007
Florida defies Dems, moves up primary
Associated Press
PEMBROKE PINES, Fla. — The Florida Democratic Party is sticking to its primary date — and it printed bumper stickers to prove it.
State party leaders formally announced Sunday their plans to move ahead with a Jan. 29 primary, despite the national leadership's threatened sanctions.
The Democratic National Committee has said it will strip the Sunshine State of its 210 nominating convention delegates if it doesn't abide by the party-set calendar, which forbids most states from holding primary contests before Feb. 5. The exceptions are Iowa on Jan. 14, Nevada on Jan. 19, New Hampshire on Jan. 22 and South Carolina on Jan. 29.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070924/NEWS02/709240045/-1/

Democrats vow to skip defiant states
Six candidates agree not to campaign in those that break with the party's calendar. Florida and Michigan, this includes you.
By Mark Z. Barabak, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 2, 2007
The muddled 2008 presidential nomination calendar gained some clarity Saturday -- at least on the Democratic side -- as the party's major candidates agreed not to campaign in any state that defies party rules by voting earlier than allowed.

Their collective action was a blow to Florida and Michigan, two states likely to be important in the general election, which sought to enhance their clout in the nominating process as well.
Front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina in pledging to abide by the calendar set by the
Democratic National Committee last summer. The rules allow four states -- Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina -- to vote in January.
The four "need to be first because in these states ideas count, not just money," Edwards said in a written statement. "This tried-and-true nominating system is the only way for voters to judge the field based on the quality of the candidate, not the depth of their war chest."

Hours later, after Obama took the pledge, Clinton's campaign chief issued a statement citing the four states' "unique and special role in the nominating process" and said that the New York senator, too, would "adhere to the DNC-approved calendar."

Three candidates running farther back in the pack -- New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Sens. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut and Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware -- said Friday they would honor the pledge, shortly after the challenge was issued in a letter co-signed by Democratic leaders in the four early states.
--
Florida, the state that proved pivotal in the 2000 presidential election, is again a source of much upheaval. Ignoring the rule that put January off-limits, legislators moved the state's primary up to Jan. 29, pushing Florida past California and other big states voting Feb. 5.Leaders of the national party responded last month by giving Florida 30 days to reconsider, or have its delegates barred from the August convention in Denver.

"The party had to send a strong message to Florida and the other states," said Donna Brazile, a veteran campaign strategist and member of the Democratic National Committee, the party's governing body. "We have a system that is totally out of control."

Despite that warning, Michigan lawmakers moved last week to jump the queue, voting to advance the state's primary to Jan. 15.

Michigan defies parties, moves up primary date
JAN. 15 DECISION COULD SET OFF STAMPEDE OF STATES
By Stephen Ohlemacher
Associated Press
Article Launched: 09/05/2007 01:34:57 AM PDT

WASHINGTON - Michigan officially crashed the early primary party Tuesday, setting up showdowns with both political parties and likely pushing the presidential nomination calendar closer to 2007.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm signed a bill moving both of Michigan's presidential primaries to Jan. 15. Michigan's move threatens to set off a chain reaction that could force Iowa and New Hampshire to reschedule their contests even earlier than anticipated, perhaps in the first week in January 2008 or even December 2007.
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The national parties have tried to impose discipline on the rogue states. On the Republican side, states that schedule contests before Feb. 5 risk losing half their delegates to next summer's convention, though some are banking that whoever wins the GOP nomination will eventually restore the delegates.
Democrats have experienced similar problems, but party officials hoped they had stopped the mad dash to move up by threatening to strip Florida of all its convention delegates for scheduling a primary Jan. 29 and by persuading the major Democratic candidates to campaign only in the party-approved early states.

The decision by the major Democratic candidates to campaign only in approved early states renders voting in the rogue states essentially non-binding beauty contests.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6804685?source=rss

Kucinich Files Affidavit To Remove Name From Michigan's Primary Shortly Before Deadline

October 10, 2007 8:19 a.m. EST
Ayinde O. Chase - AHN Staff
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008781843
Dover, NH (AHN) - The Kucinich for President campaign Tuesday afternoon officially requested that Kucinich's name be withdrawn from the Michigan Democratic primary ballot. The affidavit came by way of to the Michigan Secretary of State's office.The Ohio Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidates
National Campaign manager Mike Klein said in the statement, "We signed a public pledge recently, promising to stand with New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, and the DNC-approved 'early window', and the action we are taking today protects New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary status, and Nevada's early caucus."
The statement continued: "We support the grassroots nature of the New Hampshire, small-state primary, and we support the diversity efforts that Chairman Dean and the DNC instituted last year, when they added Nevada and South Carolina to the window in January 2008. We are obviously committed to New Hampshire's
historic role." Klein who actually recently moved to Dover said, "We will continue to adhere to the DNC-approved primary schedule."

Governor Granholm and other Michigan Democratic leaders have openly criticized the decision by several presidential candidates to keep their names off the state primary ballot. The Michigan lawmakers are taken back by Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Edwards and Bill Richardson's decision to withdraw their names from the January 15th ballot.

The only ones who remain on Michigan's primary ballot are Hillary Clinton, Mike Gravel and Chris Todd.

December 1, 2007, 11:42 am
Democrats Strip Michigan of Delegates
By The New York Times

In a widely expected move, the Democratic National Committee voted this morning to strip Michigan of all its 156 delegates to the national nominating convention next year. The state is the party’s rules by holding its primary on Jan. 15. Only Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada are allowed to hold contests prior to Feb. 5.
The party imposed a similar penalty on Florida in August for scheduling a Jan. 29 primary.
The Democratic candidates have already pledged not to campaign in the state, and Senators Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden Jr., as well as John Edwards and Gov. Bill Richardson, asked to have their names removed from the state ballot.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/democrats-strip-michigan-delegates/

Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board

On September 1, the campaigns of Clinton and Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) issued press releases stating that they had signed pledges affirming the DNC’s decision to approve certain representative states and sanction others for moving their nominating contests earlier. But now that the race is close, Clinton — whose top advisor Harold Ickes voted as a member of the DNC to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates — is pushing for the delegates to be seated.
Her argument is that not doing so disenfranchises the 1.7 million Florida Democrats who voted and that her pledge promised only that she wouldn’t campaign in the states, not that she wouldn’t try to seat the delegates. However, the results of the contests in Florida and Michigan are not necessarily representative of the voters’ preferences in those states. Given that most of the candidates removed their names from the
Michigan ballot, and that many voters stayed home from the vote in Florida with the understanding that their contest would not affect the final delegate count, the delegate totals that the candidates accumulated in these states may not accurately reflect the will of the voters. Had there been no restrictions in Michigan and Florida, the turnout, and thus the results, may have been different.

The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar...

Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) recently said that the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated if they would decide the nomination. Other compromise proposals include holding new nominating contests in these states, but such contests would be expensive and cumbersome. The irony is that had Florida and Michigan not moved up their primaries, they would have voted in February and March, when they would have been even more important than in earlier months in determining the Democratic nominee — and would not have created an enormous controversy that has the potential to divide the party.
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. kinda like Debbie Wasserman Schultz(D-Fl) who PROTECTS REPUBLICANS

Florida voting is so screwed up anyway -

they've got it set up to kick people off the rolls if their names in the DMV
and SS database don't match perfectly (good luck married women, divorced women, hispanics)
people who move (good luck poor people who move more frequently).

It just plain sucks to vote in Florida if you are a democrat.

And the state is under control of a McCain loving governor.

Conflicts of interest, fraud, voter supression - sorry Florida, you weren't
much help anyway.

[ruby slippers]

66. it plain sucks to vote in FL if you are Independent, too.....in fact,

it just sucks to live in FL anymore.....

[SoCalDem]

12. Let 'em. If they are so dense that they don't even know where the blame belongs, they are halfway

to being republicans already..:rofl:

[pompano]

16. 100 people...

...I have attended bigger family reunions? Only difference in my reunion and this film is: Everybody on this film has their shirt on, everyone appears to have more than 3 teeth, everyone is sober and noone is throwing mashed taters, chickin' and shit at each other?

seriously...

was it just me or did anyone else notice the resemblence of the guy, 3/4s of the way through the film, to Ari Fleicher? That was weird. I'm not being flip either, don't mean to be. The likeness is uncanny, thats all.

[Patriot Abroad]

55. If nothing else, the 2000 elections proved . . .

That it's easy to raise an outraged, angry mob in Florida. That they all happened to be bussed in young Republicans was beside the fact.

Go to nearest frat house, offer 20 bucks cash or free beer to the first 100 that come to the protest - instant protest.

Get me 10,000 on the streets protesting and I'd take notice. 100 on the street smells like a paid for political photo-op.

[ForeignSpectator]

17. Shouldn't they be mad at their state party, for breaking the rules...

...instead? The rules were known so THEY screwed up, no? And if they want to vote for mccain to punish the DNC for something their state party screwed up, they cannot be helped. If this outweighs all the reasons not to vote for mccain, they cannot be helped.

And cannot let blackmailing work.

[johnnydrama]

18. I really really believe them

Really really really.

They are very pissed off Democrats, who may vote for John McCain.

They certainly aren't very pissed off Hillary Clinton supporters who may vote for John McCain.

I believe in their sincerity

:sarcasm:

[Perry Logan]

19. Is there any way we could get Florida to leave the Union?

[Freedom Train]

23. Well yeah, they already tried to peacefully secede once

But in blatant disregard of the Constitution, they were held by force.

So you can thank ol' Honest Abe for our current day problems. Imagine what a progressive nation we could have been today if we had let the South go.

[Perry Logan]

25. I agree.

[Forkboy]

32. Remember the Bugs Bunny cartoon where he sawed the state off from the rest of the country.

:think:

[madfloridian]

34. I have been looking for that cartoon. Can't find it.

:hi:

Good idea.

[madfloridian]

42. I did some more searches, can't find it anywhere.

.

[Forkboy]

45. LOL...I wish I still had them all on video.

A lot of them aren't PC enough to show anymore (doesn't bother me, but it bothers some), so they're really hard to track down without shelling out the bucks for the DVDs. I'd love to see them all again. Bugs and Daffy were our two greatest Statesmen. :D

"Iraq season!"
"Iran season!"

I can see it now. :)

[Buzz Clik]

21. The Democrats allowed (enabled) the Republicans in their state to move their primary, so...

... now a few of them are threatening to reward the party that screwed them by joining them. Again.

[Vinca]

26. A Democrat who votes Republican out of spite is only screwing themselves more. nt

[BlueIdaho]

35. Looks like the Clintons are using the republican playbook

From the 2000 election - fake outrage over hanging chads anyone?

[madfloridian]

36. I thought the same thing.

.

[Scurrilous]

37. K & R

:thumbsup:

[redqueen]

38. This is hilarious. All the demagoguery the DLC whores have been plying...

and they get 100 people to show up.

Nice goin, ya sold-out whores. Feel good about yourselves, do you?

[madfloridian]

41. About 50 in St Pete. I see others have doubts about group's bi-partisan nature.

http://www.wmnf.org/news_stories/5517

"Rallies were held across the state on Saturday calling for that as well. In St. Petersburg, around 50 people gathered at Gladden Park to demand that the votes from Florida’s Jan. 29 primary count. The event was sponsored by the newly formed group, Floridians Demand Representation (FDR). Palm Harbor resident Jim Hannagan is the founder and state chairman of the group."

"Although FDR insists it is bi-partisan, Barack Obama supporters were in short supply at Saturday’s event. Clinton has slammed Obama for supporting the disenfranchisement of Florida voters. Obama’s camp says it is waiting for the DNC to decide how to deal with the delicate situation.

Hillsborough County Clerk of the Court Pat Frank, a Clinton supporter, blamed the Republicans, and said that Florida should be allowed always to vote early."

Sure, Pat Frank, sure....let Florida vote early all the time.

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

43. Looking for numbers from other cities....

To see how far beyond the 150ish so far. Nothing yet.

[Barack_America]

44. And yet, how many would turn out to protest if Obama were denied the nomination?

I think we know where the heart and soul of this party is and who is just going through the motions.

[madfloridian]

46. Only 25 in West Palm Beach?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/services/content/local_news/epaper/2008/04/26/0427floridavotes.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=76

"In downtown West Palm Beach, about 25 people attended a news conference Saturday morning where elected Democratic leaders urged the DNC to let Florida's Democratic votes count."

[madfloridian]

50. Can anyone verify the Palm Beach number of 25?

:hi:

[madfloridian]

51. Dupe post

[JeffR]

48. I'm embarrased to be in the same party as

Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Fincannon, and embarrassed to be a fellow Floridian. Then again, since they're from Orlando, I'd look down my Miamian nose at them anyway.;)

[TragedyandHope]

49. Did Hillary pay for those signs on credit?

Because some poor Floridian print shop is going to have to write off that bill.

[hayu_lol]

53. I really don't understand the tooth-gnashing and wailing...

Florida has not held a legitimate election since 2000.

I do feel for the people in that state who want to vote, are committed to a party and candidate, and are unable to do so.

[madfloridian]

52. And then there are the ones who went to DC and said they were not for Hillary.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2051

:evilgrin:

[FrenchieCat]

54. This reminds me of those 2000 Dade County "protestors"......

Remember?

[SoCalDem]

56. Sad.. pathetic..misguided people

I wonder if they will be voting OUT the assholes they elected.. the ones who CAUSED the mess..


only thing missing in the pic below are the dem signs

[DrDan]

58. Are you suggesting the Hillary supporters in Florida have no right to an opinion?

oh yeah - you have me on "ignore" - guess there will be no reply forthcoming . . .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I'm Not On "Ignore" Yet So I'll Ask Her For You

From: DemocratSinceBirth

To: Ms. MadFloridian

Re: Question

Date: 5/2/2008

Are you suggesting the Hillary supporters in Florida have no right to an opinion?

[Lilith Velkor]

67. That is precisely what she is suggesting

You should have seen the thread where she suggested that wealthy Clinton supporters have no right to withhold donations to the party.

For someone who "deplores Republican tactics," that's some fascist shit.

[DrDan]

60. interesting that if you read the sourced article, there is no mention of Clinton or her campaign

although MF is quick to point out it is Clinton that is behind this.

And if Clinton supporters are in favor of ALL party members' participation in the primary - then they are in support of the Democratic Party Charter!!!!

Yes it is a mess here!!!!! And I also fault the DNC as much as the state leaders. (Note MF - I also fault the state leaders). This could have been averted had it not been for the unquenchable search for power - ON BOTH SIDES! The "punishment" goes completely against the charter of the party. When I have pointed this out before, I was questioned as to what I did to protest the rule. Now someone is doing something - and they are being criticized.

I would never call for voting republican. However, I would certainly call for writing in one's real Democratic candidate-of-choice. That is my plan - and I hope others follow.

Why should Floridians be relegated to second-tier party members. It was the DNC and the state leaders that disenfranchised the voters. Let them battle it out - but DO NOT DISENFRANCHISE THE VOTERS! This is elitism at it worse.

[The Wizard]

61. The feud between the DLC and DNC

will pass. One represents the will of the people while the other represents the will of the corporate masters. For my money, the DLC is a day late and a dollar short. The only success they had was with Bill Clinton who I supported without a second thought. There's only one Bill Clinton, and sleeping with him does not transfer his political talent and skill. Changing the rules in the middle of the game is both juvenile and Republican, but then that's redundant.
The way to appease the rule breakers is to split their votes down the middle as neither state was in play during its primary. Both sides knew this going in and both sides agreed to the terms.
Hillary's problems stem from taking the nomination for granted and running a general election strategy in a primary. That's why the DLC is yesterday's news.
As for blaming Howard Dean: That's just an excuse for the DLC's political incompetence. It was Howard Dean who gave the Democratic party leadership in the face of the Bush junta that was ready to leave the Democratic party for road kill. Remember when Dean was the first one to say the Iraq War was not keeping us any safer; Saddam Hussein's capture was a useless exercise in false bravado?
How come the blogosphere knew Iraq didn't have WMD? Hillary was tricked by fake intelligence to authorize a known mental defective to bomb innocent people. It was a calculated vote so as to not look weak on terror when Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and Hillary knew it. She wanted to appear tough. Being tough and courageous is to stand in the face of swaggering bullies like Bush and Cheney and calling them on their bullshit. That's what Howard Dean did.

[NinetySix]

62. I think these are likely Republicans.

Keep in mind what GOP supporters have been doing with regard to crossing over to participate in the Democratic Party primaries: showing up en masse to support Hillary Clinton in hopes of sowing dissension, extending the bruising primary process, and if the Hail Mary pass is complete, lifting Hillary Clinton to the nimonation.

100 people, huh? Sounds eerily similar to those "pro-war" rallies of a few years ago, when through their excellent grassroots organizing skills the right wing managed to put several dozen bodies in front of partisan speakers and their "fight 'em over there" diatribes (while the left were organizing tens or hundreds of thousands to express their opposition to the Administration and its criminality). Sorry, 100 Florida "Democrats", I'd bet you've voted Republican in the past and will do so again this Fall in any case.

There seems to be some sentiment that links opposition to Hillary Clinton with sexism. To be fair, there is almost certainly some of that going on (just like the anti-Catholicism of some voters in the 1960 campaign), but anyone who thinks that it's representative of all or even most of those who support someone else OBVIOUSLY doesn't remember the slimy and destructive political atmosphere of the 1990s. The Clintons are just as much as ever the object of the contempt and irrational hatred of the far right. To ignore the fact that those people would LOVE to set her up and knock her down just for the sheer delight of destroying a Clinton (whether male or female) is to entirely misread the right's "support" for her. I mean, REALLY, Bill Kristol is a Hillary Clinton apologist, thinks she's being treated unfairly, and sheds a tear for the sexism of her opponents? Rush Limbaugh has defected to the other camp and now sees her as a fine, upstanding American who is perfectly qualified to be President, and would make a fine one at that?

Don't be fooled by all the crocodile tears; they think that in the end, if they shed enough of them, that we'll all be washed away by them and they'll get what they want. I think Clinton would likely prevail in a general election contest against McCain. It's those concern-troll GOPers, like these 100, who don't, which is the reason for all the commotion they're trying to stir up.

[ruby slippers]

64. don't you just hate people who threaten or bully????

[ruby slippers]

65. Check out Ben Nelson on the tell your superdelegates who you

want them to vote for. He has two votes for some reason? Why? Are there two Ben Nelsons?

[crimsonblue]

69. Maybe the RNC will seat them at their convention...

that way, all sides win.

[TBF]

70. Heh - McCain will just love it when they all show up with their Hillary for VP signs.

[mcollier]

71. Thats just stupid!

Democrats do your homework.. The whole thing was designed by the republicans in Florida... Think....