"Most liberal ticket ever."

[bkcc]

Just heard a clip of Jeb Bush calling Kerry/Edwards as the most liberal ticket ever...and Kerry ranked the "#1 most liberal" Democrat in the Senate.

I've heard this time and again over the last 24 hours.
What the hell are these assholes in the right wing smoking? This ticket is not really that liberal.

The echo chamber is in full effect. They'll keep saying this until "liberal" is a dirty word again and people start believing it.

[sniffa]

1. headLine in today's 'boston heraLd'

LEFT OF TED: MOST LIBERAL TICKET EVER.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

2. saw it mentioned on hardball yesterday

what a crock, chris then asked the repub if the bush/cheney was the most conservative ticket ever, he himmed and hawed and finally said that at least they are not afraid to call themselves conservatives.

it seems they want to call describe kerry and edwards incorrectly and then chastise them for being "afraid" to accept the incorrect descriptions. nice game.

[nickinSTL]

8. most conservative ticket ever

No, they're not.

They're the most fascist ticket.

[IronLionZion]

44. The most liberal ticket ever was probably George Washington

and Jefferson and all those early America-hating traitors.

Conservative strongly supported staying under British rule. Overthrowing a colonial overlord and establishing a democratic republic is pretty far left if you ask me.




The fact of the matter is that Kerry IS a flaming liberal and Edwards is a moderate. Liberals who aren't high on Nader's Kool Aid will vote for Kerry/Edwards regardless, but moderates will need some convincing. That's why Kerry is pandering to them. Once he is elected, we will have a liberal president. Come on guys, he's been liberal his whole damn life and is not going to stop now!

Oh and try to be near a TV camera when you complain that he's not liberal enough! :P

[sus]

3. yeah whatever, Jeb.

The Cubans who aren't allowed to visit or send money to Cuba anymore thanks to YOU and YOUR BROTHER will see through that shit.

give these fuckers more rope...

[stellanoir]

4. rebuttal. . .

Bush/Cheney - least conservative ticket ever

[still_one]

5. I just heard that the republican ticket

is the most fascist ticet ever. Hopefully people will keep saying this until "fascist" is a dirty word again and people start believing it.

[bkcc]

7. LOL

[mainer]

6. What the hell's wrong with being liberal?

Our founding fathers were liberals. Jesus was a liberal. We should remember Webster's definitions of "liberal":

2. "giving freely; generous"
5. "tolerant of views differing from one's own; broad-minded."

The opposite of which is:

-- stingy. Miserly.
-- Close-minded.

[Piperay]

36. Yeah, I sick to death of

having the Liberal label besmirched by a bunch of fascists! :mad:

[rpannier]

9. Let's see...

Modale/Ferraro (84), Carter/Mondale (76/80), Mc Govern (72). Yep those were the conservative years.
The media is so f**king stupid.

[LiberalFighter]

41. Why do you think they went into the media business??

Hmmm what is that movie with Will Farrell? Maybe a connection can be made that will ridicule the media.

[lovedems]

10. I think most Americans would take the liberal ticket over the corporate

ticket any day. That would require a small amount of knowledge that most people sadly lack. But I would venture that "corporate" is worse word then "liberal".

[LiberalFighter]

42. Trial Lawyers vs Corporate Lawyers

Which would the common people prefer?

What other type of lawyers that can be generally considered connected with conservatives/repugs?

[Connie_Corleone]

11. I really think it'll backfire on the Repugs

I think people are getting tired of all this labeling and name calling and negativism coming from the republicans.

If Kerry/Edwards is the most liberal ticket ever (doubt it), then I say thank God!

The republicans seem to be stuck in the 1970's with their "liberal" labeling. It's not going to work this time.

[no name no slogan]

24. Sounds like the same sh!t they tried on Wellstone in '90 & '96

Paul's opponent, Rudy Boschwitz, tried that schtick on him a couple times.

In 1996, Rudy put out these commercials about the "ultra-liberal Paul Wellstone", which backfired and only helped energize the liberal base even more than it was before. Paul kicked Rudy's plywood-selling @$$ that year.

In Paul's first Senate race in 1990, Rudy's supporters sent a last minute letter to Jewish households which claimed that Boschwitz was "a better Jew" than Wellstone. That letter itself more than likely cost Rudy the election, as it came when the polls were about even, a few days before the election. People here thought Rudy's supporters had a hell of a lot of nerve to call somebody a "better Jew" than someone else.

[LiberalFighter]

43. Is gw* a better xtian than everyone else??? Hmmm

[drthais]

12. and its about DAMN TIME!

:toast:

[apnu]

13. I've said it several times and it needs to be said again.

One of the greatest crimes done by the GOP, specifically the neocons, was to pick up the "center post" of politics and move it closer to them so that they seem like moderates and not Nazi extremist assholes who really should be brought up on charges of terrorism. And the GOP knows it, but with a good FUD campaign the American sheeple (and they are sheeple make no mistake about it) believe that the GOP are "moderates"

The break down works, as I see it, like this: (these are all GOP lies)

"Extreme Right": non-existent in America
"Right": Fringe elements of the GOP, such as the CWA and other "family" groups
"moderate right": Neocons
"leans right": Conservatives
"center": moderate Republicans (The Rockefeller's and McCain camps)
"leans left": true independents and DINO's (Zell, Liberman etc)
"moderate left": doesn't exist
"left": moderate Dems and centrists (Kerry, Clinton etc)
"Extreme Left": Liberals
"Nazi": true "leftists" (Greenpeace, NOW etc)

That's how I take the "position" as seen by the meat-puppets of the GOP.

[kwolf68]

Brilliant

Hammer. Nail. Head. Your analysis scores a perfect 10.

[WI_DEM]

14. I think Mondale/Ferraro or McGovern/Shriver

may resent that.

[rpannier]

15. Better to be the most liberal ticket ever

then the most moronic ticket ever...shrub/crony have that locked up.

[theboss]

16. I raise them McGovern/Ferraro

That was the ticket that had die-hard, old-school liberals going, "Um, do we really want to do this?"

[demwing]

17. Did You mean McGovern/Eagleton, or

Mondale/Ferraro?

[aldian159]

18. either or

but i see your point

[theboss]

30. I meant Mondale

That was a typo.

McGovern actually was NOT that liberal; it was just a crazy era and he cozied up to the anti-war youth vote.

[kwolf68]

19. LIBERAL LIBERAL

Just saw on CNN a debate between a Bush and Kerry officials.

The Bush guy must have used "Liberal" about a dozen times or more in "debating" the issue. Thing is, I am starting to wonder if people get wrapped up into this labeling BS anymore.

Back 15 years ago it may have worked, but I'm not so sure its a real problem these days despite what appears to be a right-leaning nation.

The best way to diffuse "Liberal" is what Kerry did some time ago when asked about his Liberalism. He rattled off a bunch of things he supported, asked if the American people would support them and then said, "if that makes me Liberal, then I'm Liberal." Would be a risky play and would certainly be taken out of context, but I find the impending debate on "Liberal" a tired cliche. I would like John or John to come back and say, "Yea...and he's Conservative, a much worse prospect."

[ibegurpard]

20. bullshit

they'd call Zell Miller the most liberal ticket ever if he somehow was the Democratic nominee. This is a tired, tired ridiculous talking point that I frankly cannot believe anyone takes seriously anymore.

[kwolf68]

21. The real question

Is the Republican ticket "too Conservative?"

[lendog_68104]

22. Not at all.

Remember there are people that think like Pat Buchanan 

[kwolf68]

23. I agree

Oh I agree with you, but the best way to diffuse this tired, cliché’ filled debate is to pick up the Republican spit-ball and hock it right back to them.

In response to the “Liberal, Liberal, Liberal” garbage, then just yell, “Conservative, Conservative, Conservative.”

Really. Who cares about those monikers anyway? Liberals and Conservatives. And neither of them are crossing lines to vote for the other.

SOOOOO, the ones we have to worry about are those in the middle, those not attuned to politics who could care less either way about either moniker. The real fear is those people are lead to believe that “Liberal” is a dirty word. Either we defend the word/view (very complicated and risky as I have mentioned) or we simply negate its effects by tossing “Conservative” into the ring of shit.

We can’t run from this word anymore.

[Qutzupalotl]

25. Yeah, if we put two liberals in the White House,

we'll go back to the days of record deficits.

[sandnsea]

26. They're helping to redefine liberal!!!

hahaha! People will hear the word liberal, look at Kerry/Edwards, think "what are those Bushie's smokin'?" and say to themselves, "well if that's a liberal, I guess I'm a liberal too!" Just watch, people are sick to death of right wing extremism and I think we're watching its death.

[Zynx]

27. Roosevelt/Wallace was a LOT more liberal.

[debsianben]

28. Liberal?

So "liberal" has been officially re-defined as "not Republican?"

Hmm. Let's seee. Kerry voted to end federal welfare requirements, one of the most important votes in dividing the Wellstone wing of the Dems from the DLC wing. He supported "welfare reform" before it was popular, is a life long supporter of NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and "free trade" in general, and he supported the Iraq war and supports continuing military operations in Iraq after he takes office. Yet somehow or another the Republicans can convince themselves that he's more liberal than McGovern?

[MissAnnThrope]

34. Actually, yes

There is no more thing as a conservative Democrat, or anything else of the sort on the Republican side. All Democrats are liberals. The party is out of control according to them. They seem to be longing for the old days of the party. You know, he's more liberal than McGovern was because he's for women's rights and he doesn't spout racist nonsense to the public. Anyone who believes in anything that goes against the slightest bit of their party platform is a liberal. And they say that like it's a bad word. Then again, they believe liberal = communist anymore.

[FarLeftRage]

29. Like jebthro really knows!

he can go cheney himself big time!!

[opstachuck]

31. hopefully it'll backfire and make people realize that...

being liberal isn't so bad after all.

[kwolf68]

32. An epiphany I had

If, as the Republicans say, this is the “most Liberal ticket” ever, then it stands to reason this election will be a complete blowout for Bush. He will get 47, 48 states…Because after all, Liberalism is the scourge of society and America hates Liberals, right.

So…Even if we lose by mere % points or (god forbid), we gain the most votes, but lose the electoral collage then what does THAT SAY?

For 20+ years the Republicans have lambasted anyone caught within breath-shot of being Liberal. For the past 10+ years, AM radio, right wing think tanks (outnumber Left 2 to 1), and an ever right-leaning media have talked of “Liberal” like the anti-Christ. Even Democrats themselves run like scolded dogs away from the word.

Hell, how could ANY LIBERAL hope to compete with a gun loving, God-fearing, good ole boy, CONSERVATIVE here in the good ole’ US of A?

So what I am going to do is sit back, pop some corks on election night and watch the numbers roll in and if I am to believe the Republican myth-machine be safely tucked away in bed by 10PM with the election all but decided in favor of Bush.

Now does anyone think this will happen? Not a chance. Even the Republican talking heads concede this will be a close race. What does that say? The “most Liberal ticket in history” that is sure to be outspent will “make it a close race?” What does that say? Help me out here.

It appears to me the Republicans are contradicting themselves and all we need to do is shove their foot down their pie hole for them. On one hand America hates the values of Liberals John Kerry and John Edwards at the same time America will NOT handily give Bush this election.

In short folks, “anti-Liberal” talk no longer holds water and it is just tired and over-used cliché’s trotted out by Republicans who simply can conjure up no new ideas. In short, “Environmentalist Whacko” Al Gore (Liberal, leftist nutjob) actually received more of the total vote and it took “suspect” act to send him back to Tennessee…and now 4 years later the Bush team can’t promise me a blowout against the “most Liberal ticket in history.”

1984 is gone. Back then America really did think Liberals had ruined our nation, had created a mass of problems despite good intentions. NOW, after the failures of the Reagan/Bush I time, the debacle of Bush II and the roaring success of Clinton, the “Liberal bad…hubba hubba hubba” drivel no longer plays as it once did.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, while I am apathetic and see no way our guys win Virginia, South Carolina or even North Carolina (though its in play), I am highly optimistic that we are seeing the death of true neo-Conservatism as a dominant political doctrine in this nation.

[bigwillq]

33. On Judy's show on CNN, the Repuke Chairman from Ohio

kept saying this. How Kerry is the #1 most liberal and Edwards he said was #4.


I would rather have a liberal ticket than a ticket full of assholes, thieves and liars like Shrub/Mr.Dick.

[Piperay]

35. UH...and that is supposed

to be a bad thing???? :wtf:

[PATRICK]

37. Most powerful ticket ever

when you think about it. In the campaign and governance facets, the personalities... They might not like the good guys' juggernaut coming at them. They can define it weakly as much as they can, but it is awesome and there is a huge upswelling of BOTH party and bipartisan Bush haters
coming down the pike with brilliance and just cause.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

38. That sounds encouraging to me

if their the most liberal ever than it gives me (us) more reason to vote for them.

[pathansen]

39. Liberal means "generous, open minded, tolerant, progressive"

That's what it says in the dictionary. Liberal is a virtue.
So the opposite (conservative) means:
Stingy
close minded
intolerant
backward
I am tired them spinning everything around.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

40. Can anyone on this thread answer this question

for me?

Last night on Hardball, Liddy Dole kept spouting about the "National Journal". How it was totally non-partisan, yada, yada, yada. She also mentioned that the "National Jourrnal" rated John Kerry the #1 Liberal in the Senate and John Edwards as #4.

I have never heard of this particular publication and I was wondering if it is truly non-partisan, or was this particular talking point just more Repuke spin?

[rpannier]

47. The National Journal Exists

but I find it interesting with Boxer, Murray, Kennedy, Byrd, Jeffords, Leahy, and Feingold in the Senate that Kerry rates #1 and Edwards rates #4.

[Arcturus]

45. Bush/Cheney: Most evil ticket ever!

Or possibly "Most enebriated ticket ever!" They are the first to have both been convicted of drunk driving, right?

Or maybe "Most foul-mouthed ticket ever!" They've both been caught swearing in public, right?

[Lefty Pragmatist]

46. Bad words

Nixon/Agnew had to be the most foulmouthed ticket ever. Though I'll bet JFK/LBJ was a decent second.

[DaveSZ]

48. Bill O'Lielly

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125048,00.html

The Most Liberal Ticket, Ever
Thursday, July 08, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly



The Kerry-Edwards ticket is the most liberal ever. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." According to the liberal lobbying group, Americans for Democratic Action (search), John Kerry has a lifetime liberal rating of 92 percent and John Edwards stands at 81 percent. These ratings are based upon their voting records in the Senate.

By contrast, Al Gore's liberal rating was just 65 percent. Thus, the Kerry-Edwards ticket becomes the most liberal in American history, passing Mondale-Ferraro (search) in 1984.

The Gallup (search) poll people recently studied ideology in the USA and found out that only 19 percent of Americans consider themselves liberal. By contrast, 41 percent say they're conservative. Thus, the Kerry-Edwards presidential campaign seems to be at a disadvantage. But maybe not.

Increasingly, Americans are veering away from party lines and voting for candidates on merit. But if Kerry and Edwards do decide to run left, they will have a problem mainly in the social area.

-more